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Wed, Jul 18, 2001 (14:35) | Marcia (MarciaH)
This is for anything you would like to comment on or post which seems to fit no where else. Liam was its inspiration and he provided the first post.
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 Response 1 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jul 18, 2001 (14:41) * 25 lines 
 
An Irishman's Diary
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OPINION/Kevin Myers

One of the key elements to any religion is that whereas there might be much which is difficult to defend logically, it nonetheless fits into a broader theological picture which provides a greater truth; and what holds that picture together, in the face of all the in-built illogic, is faith.

Faith creates a coherence out of the incoherent and contradictory. And when religion expects us to intellectually sustain what our reasons and senses tell us is simply unsustainable, it waves a wand and calls it dogma , thereby excusing us of thought on the matter.

When we say we respect another's religion, what we actually mean is we're not going to publicly ridicule the funny bits, even though in the privacy of our own minds, we chuckle away. Papal infallibility, consubstantiation, Defender of the Faith, Wailing Wall, Mecca, prayer scrolls, circumcision: we tolerate (though perhaps with quiet amusement) those we don't accept, but ardently defend those we do.

We tolerate other's dogmas so long as other religions don't try to impose them on us. Even Saudi Arabia turns a blind eye to the fornication and serial copulation of the ex-pats there. But there are two exceptions: Taliban is one. Feminism is the other.

Feminism is very like a religion in that it is dependent on huge leaps of faith, which cannot be explained by logic or evidence or rational argument. Feminism can only be defended by waving the magic wand and pronouncing equality between the sexes a dogma beyond discussion.

Yet unlike almost all other religions, feminism wishes to impose its theology on all societies everywhere, regardless of the intellectual contradictions at its heart, and the evidence before our eyes every second of our lives.

Examine the news of last week. Did anyone see a single girl or woman rioter in Ardoyne or Drumcree? The only woman who was clearly evident in all the news footage of that appalling violence was a woman constable. And what was she doing in the middle of this nearly murderous mayhem? Simply behaving like Florence Nightingale, minding a wounded colleague.

Can anyone who believes in the "equality of the sexes" explain how it is that Washington is awash with female staffers whose ambition seems to be to bed important male congressmen? Clinton discovered this with many, many young women; so it seems has Congressman Gary Condit, who was not so much two-timing his wife, but eight-timing her.

Congressman Condit is not a pretty boy. He's not young. He plain and he's 54 and he had eight mistresses - though apparently the figure is now down to seven, and probably falling.

But consider: new feminism is nearly 40 years old, yet here we have a career woman, poor Chandra Levy, aged 24, doting on this complete and utter creep, even colour-coding his shirts during the hours he'd sit waiting in his flat before he would finally oblige her with his pelvic attentions.

more... http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/2001/0717/opt4.htm#top


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 Response 2 of 863: horrible horace  (horrible) * Wed, Jul 18, 2001 (15:34) * 1 lines 
 
If all the Interns were laid end to end.........what do you mean"IF" heheheh


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 Response 3 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jul 18, 2001 (15:40) * 3 lines 
 
*grin* Precisely so!

They took a poll of parents and asked if they wanted their daughters to be interns in Washington DC. Oddly enough only 67% said no. I'd have thought it much higher, but perhaps they see it as a career step.


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 Response 4 of 863: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Tue, Jul 24, 2001 (16:45) * 3 lines 
 
Marcia, I'm definitely an etcetera so I thought I'd post here .....

Things are so bad at the moment I'm bowing out of everything ...have put PhD on hold for a bit to sort things out ...


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 Response 5 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jul 24, 2001 (21:30) * 1 lines 
 
Maggie!!! Will try to be online when you are up in the morning. Oh my dear! Say it isn't so!!!


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 Response 6 of 863: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Mon, Jul 30, 2001 (18:26) * 1 lines 
 
Maggie, I hope that you can sort things out and that circumstances improve.


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 Response 7 of 863: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Tue, Jul 31, 2001 (12:52) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks Cheryl ...sorry I've been quiet lately .. just trying to keep my head above water emotionally...still nowhere to live come Sept! Packing in anticipation .....


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 Response 8 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Aug 29, 2001 (16:25) * 28 lines 
 
From Liam... Come back... We miss you!

An Irishman's Diary
By Kevin Myers
ireland.com - The Irish Times - OPINION

Astute readers of newspapers at this time of year will have noticed an increasing preponderance of stories beginning, "Scientists in Alabama believe..." or, "Evolutionary experts in Geneva are working on the theory that...." No doubt those readers read on, in the belief that what the words before them are in some way related to reality. And they certainly are - if, that is, you believe that I have consented to be Mariah Carey's toy-boy, but only on condition that I continue to share my prodigious favours with Whitney Houston. Sorry, Britney; not tonight. Perhaps Saturday; and I don't take credit cards...
The only basis for these "scientists believe" stories is to be found in a small chamber, the Creativity Room, in a remote part of The Irish Times labyrinth, the entrance to which is guarded by Gurkhas whose tongues have been surgically removed.

Head-hunters
Most newspapers have such rooms, though they are not always guarded by soldierly Nepalese. Kerrymen are favoured as security by some, and there was a time when New Guinea head-hunters found favour, but they went out of vogue when they developed an appetite for sub-editors.
Now no one begrudges a lonely exile from Port Moresby the odd snack or two, and if they had confined their nutritional adventures to the occasional individual from the books page or sports, no one would really have minded - a sub, after all, is only a sub. But when the Guardian night editor turned up to find that all that remained of his night staff was a single femur being agreebly gnawed by security, with the chief sub's head glumly sitting on the spike, something had to give. The New Guinea lads had to go, and in their place came some West Side Boys from Sierre Leone.
There is a purpose to getting these rough-house lads in; for they have to mind the intellectual heart of the newspaper, the Creativity Room wherein some of the most brilliant minds in journalism are chained to the oars of a galley which roams the world of their fevered imaginations. You only see the fruits of their endeavours once August arrives, but just as the grapes of October are the product of a year's endeavour, so are the vintage stories appearing in August the product of 12 months of toil by these unsung heroes.
"Scientists believe that life on earth began in outer space" is a story which surfaced in newspapers this week, using quotes from the Indian Space Agency. We are rather proud of that story in this newspaper. It was dreamt up by our Debbie last December - she was given a road-kill pigeon as a special reward for Christmas dinner. We sold the story on right round the world in the Frankfurt Silly Season Story Fair last Easter, and Debbie's royalties enabled her to buy a mousetrap to increase her protein consumption. All she needs now is another corker of a story, and she'll be able to buy some cheese for it.

Hallucination
It's not that this newspaper is mean: it's just that we've found than an imagination works best when aided by a touch of famine-induced hallucination. Well-fed minds are dullard minds, is our motto; and so we have a policy that seems a little stern but in reality is simply is a recognition of market forces.
Occasionally we ease up on our stern regime, just so as the inmates of the Creativity Room can see our human face; and there's no way of describing the pleasure we got from seeing our Debbie tearing into her Xmas feral pigeon, then picking her teeth with its tiny talons, finally crunching them as well.

Made us feel like Santa, I can tell you.
Anyway, the product of this policy is a fund of stories to sustain newspapers through the long lean weeks ahead, such as one of ours the other day: "An artichoke that grows in salty water could help create a revolution in world agriculture, according to research." That appeared in the Siberian Gazette, but only because it wasn't good enough for us. Debbie thought it up. It was so poor we fined her one mousetrap.
The Times had another one of ours recently: "A coffin and a mausoleum have been unearthed which may have contained leaders of the ancient Jewish monastic community that produced the Dead Sea Scrolls." Don't you just love the "may"? Our Debbie is a wizard with the "may". She knows just how to pitch it. She could have said "may" have been the place where the Virgin conceived, or "may" have been the place where Judas hanged himself.

Terrible day
The problem is that with really important "mays" experts start enquiring about the origins of the stories. There was that terrible day when The Irish Catholic - of all people - had to send in Little Sisters of the Poor commandos to garotte its entire CR workforce in order to conceal the origins of its "scoop" that a feather from the wing of the Archangel Gabriel had been found in a public toilet in Termonfeckin. A stupid, stupid story, for everyone knows there is no public toilet in Termonfeckin.

And you believe that stuff about Code Red virus? Debbie again. It was so good she got her mousetrap back. Now I'm off to France, and for the next couple of weeks of the silly season, Debbie will be writing the Diary, under different pen-names. If she's very, very good, I've promised her a piece of cheese. If she's not, I get my mousetrap back.



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 Response 9 of 863: Cheryl  (CherylB) * Tue, Nov  6, 2001 (16:50) * 1 lines 
 
Liam still hasn't been back. Maybe one day...


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 Response 10 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov  6, 2001 (19:31) * 1 lines 
 
I miss Liam. I hope he returns. I think he knows he would be welcome! I will email him to see how he is doing and to tell him he is missed! Thanks for reminding me!


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 Response 11 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov  6, 2001 (19:32) * 53 lines 
 
I have no idea what this entails, but it sounds interesting. Rob??? They are waiting for you!

********************************************************
Post-Doctoral Fellowships - Laser ablation geochemistry
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From: Ian Nicholls

POSTDOCTORAL RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES IN GEOCHEMISTRY USING LASER ABLATION
ICP-MS TECHNIQUES


SCHOOL OF GEOSCIENCES, MONASH UNIVERSITY (MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA).
Expressions of interest are sought for postdoctoral research fellowships in
geochemistry in the School of Geosciences at Monash University, working
within the Trace Element, Isotope & Environmental Geochemistry Research
Group (Drs. Ian Nicholls, Ian Cartwright and Steve Beresford; Professor
Reid Keays; plus a new academic staff member expected to be appointed in
the field of isotope geochemistry/geochronology in early 2002).
Monash Geosciences currently operates a Finnigan-MAT "Element"
high-resolution ICP-MS instrument for ppb-ppm level trace element analysis
using solution and laser ablation modes (the latter with a Merchantek
Nd-YAG laser), and has supporting "clean laboratory" sample preparation
facilities. Monash is a member of the Victorian Institute of Earth &
Planetary Sciences (VIEPS) consortium (Schools of Earth Sciences at
LaTrobe, Monash and Melbourne Universities) and has access to a joint VIEPS
"Nu Plasma" multicollector ICP-MS instrument, soon to be fitted with a
state-of-art ablation chamber and excimer laser system. The "Element" and
"Nu Plasma" will provide powerful complementary facilities for in situ
trace element/isotopic analysis of single minerals, and their mineral, melt
and fluid inclusions, with emphasis on studies in igneous, metamorphic and
ore petrology/geochemistry/geochronology. Such research is often joint with
the minerals industry.
The Geochemistry group is seeking to attract post-doctoral candidates with
experience in techniques and applications of laser ablation ICP-MS
analysis, with continued development of these within VIEPS in mind. The
Australian Research Council annually offers several categories of
postdoctoral and more senior research fellowships, applications for the
next round of which are due in February 2002, for 2003 awards. Since
outlines for excellent research projects are required as part of
applications for these awards, interested researchers are invited to begin
discussions on suitable projects now. Those interested should contact Dr.
Ian Nicholls at: inicholl@mail.earth.monash.edu.au.
Information on The School of Geosciences at Monash University, with a link
to VIEPS, is available at www.earth.monash.edu.au. Information on ARC
Post-Doctoral and Research Fellowships is available at:
www.monash.edu.au/resgrant/grantinfo/ARC/arcdispr.html and
www.arc.gov.au/ncgp/discovery/projects/default.htm

Dr. Ian Nicholls
Deputy Head, School of Geosciences
PO Box 28E
Monash University
Victoria 3800
Australia


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 Response 12 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov 13, 2001 (23:17) * 2 lines 
 
Oddly enough, when Wolfie finds this catch-all topic we can discuss the how wonderful it is to breathe air you can chew, and why iti s called "Orange County" I discovered that the only thing about the county is the color of the smog there. I don't trust air I can see quite that well.



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 Response 13 of 863: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Nov 14, 2001 (05:50) * 1 lines 
 
LA is in Orange County?


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 Response 14 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Nov 14, 2001 (14:19) * 1 lines 
 
Nope, Los Angeles is its own county. I'm not all that sure anyone else wants it! I'd need to look at a current county map to see where the bakc air of LA stops and the toxic orange stuff of Orange County begina. Alas, all of the trees are now gone which were once the namesake of Orange County.


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 Response 15 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Nov 21, 2001 (13:53) * 3 lines 
 
No Comment on the new title page of Geo? More changes to come as soon as I get Terry to enable me to change my own buttons, wallpaper and horizontal bars. As it stands now, stroud and yapp icons are now in charge of them.

*UNHAPPY*


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 Response 16 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov 27, 2001 (17:28) * 1 lines 
 
Deja Vu time on http://www.archives.org when you look up www.spring.com. Were we ever that young? Seems only yesterday! I love seeing it again! Never mind reading my early posts, please!


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 Response 17 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec  2, 2001 (15:43) * 18 lines 
 
Thunder and lightning kept me from posting this yesterday on December 2nd.

HAUOLI NA HANAU, LOPAKA AND KELE

Tuberose / Lantern

Ilima

White tuberose mixed with

orange ilima blossoms.

Very fragrant.







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 Response 18 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec  2, 2001 (15:46) * 3 lines 
 
Rob is officially responsible for himself (meaning he is fair game?!) and Terry is too (has been for a while, he says.) I really like that lei. It is spectacular and what I wanted to wear to my son's wedding in October.

Many Happy Birthdays to come. Your Buggatis are on the way.


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 Response 19 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec  2, 2001 (15:53) * 1 lines 
 
Tuberoses smell gently like gardenias for those of you who have not had the pleasure of their company around your neck. Of course, I have to kiss you when I put it on you. It is tradition! Hugs, too.


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 Response 20 of 863: Anon  (curious) * Mon, Dec  3, 2001 (12:23) * 3 lines 
 
In re post 15 above, specifically "No Comment on the new title page of Geo?"

I like much better than what was up when I first joined.


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 Response 21 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec  3, 2001 (14:56) * 1 lines 
 
I'm still working on it. Actually, what I hope to have when I can create the right font and find the correct globe is jus to have large letters GEO with the O being the globe. Thanks for your comments!


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 Response 22 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (17:54) * 1 lines 
 
I have found the ultimate globe. It is posted. Post holiday title will make it formal, diginified and aesthetic. I hope!


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 Response 23 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (17:59) * 1 lines 
 
I also need to put the yellow letters back on the buttons. White is the wrong color. May I use a magic marker on your monitor? It'll only take me several lifetimes to do it... *sigh*


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 Response 24 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (21:30) * 1 lines 
 
did you save the old buttons, marcia? if so, you can use lview to resize them and still have the yellow letters.


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 Response 25 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (21:31) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, I did save the original buttons and I will resize them just as I did the "kill" button. I just need to do it.


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 Response 26 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (21:35) * 3 lines 
 
*giggle* i know the feeling!

curious, how long have you been a member of spring?


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 Response 27 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec  5, 2001 (22:06) * 3 lines 
 
1997 was my first post - October I think. You have been here longer?

Thank you, John, for slowing down my world. I was spinning too fast!


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 Response 28 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Dec  6, 2001 (18:38) * 1 lines 
 
oh sweetie, i was asking curious anon how long they've been visiting us! i think you've been here longer than me!


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 Response 29 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec  6, 2001 (18:52) * 2 lines 
 
I am curious, also! - about how long people have been lurking before posting. I found Spring, then I read posts to see how people were interacting, then plunged in - all in the space of one week. Nan was kind enough to welcome me and make me feel at home. I've been here ever since. I did not, however, wander out of the close-knit confines of Drool for at least a year. I thought you "down" here were all so different from me.
Surprise!!!


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 Response 30 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec  7, 2001 (19:14) * 6 lines 
 
I am hiding this post in case I am so terribly wrong that it is hopeless and I have lost a dear friend and wise man's respect. Is this the arrangement you meant? It is not as I remember our earlier conversation. What puzzles me is why I am in the middle and the sensors are each side of me. Must each be attched to me directly as in this lampstand? Independently connected so as not to interfere with each other's signals? Please be patient with me. I am just a learner as most of the rest of my readers are.







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 Response 31 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 11, 2001 (14:33) * 30 lines 
 
For those who celebrate: Enjoy your Holiday of Eid.

Significance Of Eid

'Eid means recurring happiness or festivity. The 'Eid prayer is very important for all Muslims. It has the
merits of the dory prayers, the effect of the weekly convention (Jumu'ah) and the characteristics of annual
reunions between Muslims. There are two such 'Eids.

The first is called 'Eid-ul-Fitr (the Festival of Fast Breaking). It falls on the first day of Shawwaal, the tenth
month of the Muslim year, following the month of Ramadhaan in which the Qur’aan was revealed and
which is the month of fasting.

The second is called 'Eid-ul-Adh'haa (the Festival of sacrifice). It falls on the tenth day of Zil-Hijjah, the
last month of the Muslim year.

The Islaamic 'Eids are unique in every way. To them there can be nothing similar in any other religion or
any other socio-political system. Besides their highly spiritual and moral characteristics, they have matchless
qualities:

Each 'Eid is a wholesome celebration of a remarkable achievement of the individual Muslim in the service of
Allah.

The first 'Eid comes after an entire month of "absolute" fasting during the days of the month.

The second 'Eid marks the completion of Hajj to Makkah, a course in which the Muslim handsomely
demonstrates his renouncement of the mundane concerns and hearkens only to the Eternal voice of Allah.

more (follow links)... http://www.islaam.org/Eid/Eid-1.htm




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 Response 32 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (16:09) * 25 lines 
 
'Tis the Season. I'll be posting traditions here. Have you any special ones you celebrate in your family?


HOW MANY U.S. FAMILIES WHO PUT UP A CHRISTMAS
TREE OPT FOR AN ARTIFICIAL TREE?
22% of U.S. families choose an artificial tree.

WHERE DID THE TRADITION OF DECORATING A CHRISTMAS TREE BEGIN?
The first recorded documentation of decorating a Christmas
tree was in 1604 in Strasburg, Germany. Decorating Christmas
trees appeared as a tradition in the U.S in the mid-1800's
and has evolved over the subsequent 150 year period to the
production and distribution system we know today.

WHY WAS THE NATIONAL CHRISTMAS TREE NOT LIT IN 1979?
The National Christmas tree was not lit except for the top
ornament in 1979 in honor of the American hostages in Iran.
In 1963, the National Christmas tree was not lit until
December 22nd because of a national 30-day period of mourn-
ing following the assassination of President Kennedy.

WHAT WAS CONSIDERED THE TALLEST CHRISTMAS TREE?
The tallest living Christmas tree is believed to be the 122-
foot, 91-year-old Douglas fir in the town of Woodinville,
Washington.


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 Response 33 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (16:15) * 85 lines 
 
CHRISTMAS TREE


The Christmas tree is a symbol of immortality, resiliency, longevity, and rebirth. Taoists once believed that if a pine's resin was
allowed to flow down its trunk and onto the earth, a fu-lin or mushroom of immortality would grow from it in 1000 years. Eating
the fu-lin would give a person eternal youth.

Growing tall as it weathers the hardships of wind, snow, and rain, the pine tree in the forest symbolizes long-suffering, steadfast
friendships, and enduring fame. The pine's strength in the face of adversity makes it symbolic of those who have become strong
through suffering, or who have kept to their beliefs and promises in spite of opposition. In Scandinavia, a myth of enduring love
surrounds a certain pine. It is said that this tree grew from the blood of two lovers who had been wrongfully executed in the forest.
During the Christmas season, strange lights can be seen shining in its branches as a testimony of their innocence and love.

One Christmas Eve in 8th century Germany, the missionary, St. Boniface, gathered newly baptized Christians together to renounce
paganism by cutting down the sacred oak they once sacrificed under. As it fell, the oak split into four pieces revealing a young pine
growing in its center. Boniface suggested that the people take this pine as a symbol of their new-found Christian faith because it's
shape points toward Heaven, and it's evergreen foliage reminds us of eternal life.

In Rome, the immortal pine was used to celebrate the spring festival of Arbor intrat. Each year on March 22, members of the cult
of Cybele cut down a pine tree and carried it to the Palatine temple. There, it was bandaged, wreathed with violets, and mourned
as if it were the body of Attis, son of Cybele, who, disturbed by his mother's attentions, had castrated himself and died beneath a
pine tree. His soul was believed to have found refuge in the pine and his blood caused violets to spring up around it. Three days
later, he was miraculously restored to life. Egyptians, on the other hand, used the palm tree as an image of resurrection and
decorated their homes with its branches during the winter solstice.

The vertical symbolism of the pine tree was emphasized by Christians. This tree, which forever pointed heavenward, was a
reminder to seek out heavenly rather than earthly treasures. It was a symbol of the saints, their self-denial, and their patience. A
meet Christmas symbol, the tree was also a symbol of communication and mediation between heaven and earth because it's roots
reached into the earth and its branches soared into the heavens.

Today, one can still see the Jesse-tree. Most popular during the 13th century, this nativity tree was decorated to look like the
family tree of the Christ Child. Adam and Eve are displayed at the foot of the tree and Jesus rests at its top. The wicked serpent is
entwined around its trunk. This tradition may have come from the Messianic prophecy: "There shall come forth a Rod from the
stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots." [Is 11:1]

The Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge from the Garden of Eden were blended together in many customs and legends about
the fir tree. Adam and Eve Day was celebrated on December 24th. During the Middle Ages it was customary to perform Paradise
Plays on the Church grounds on this holiday. A single fir tree strung with apples was used to symbolize both of the garden's trees.

Legend states that the fir is the Tree of Life. When it was created, it had flowers, leaves, and fruit like other trees. But when Eve
ate of the forbidden fruit, these shrunk into the needles and cones we see it bear today. The fir did, however blossom briefly on the
night of Christ's birth. It also bears the name "Tree of Life" because it is believed to have been the tree upon which Christ died.

French and German legend calls the Christmas tree the "Tree of Humanity." One Christmas Eve, Bonchevalier found a pine tree lit
up with candles and having a star at its top. Some of the candles stood upright, while others hung upside down. His mother told
Bonchevalier that this was the "Tree of Humanity." The upright candles represented good people, while the inverted candles stood
for evil people. The star at the top was the Christ Child watching over the entire world. Such a tree reminds us to be like our
Father in Heaven who sends the sun and rain to nourish both the righteous and the unrighteous. [Mt 5:45-46]

Jacob Riis records that Christ sent Faith, Hope, and Love to choose the first Viking Christmas tree. They chose the Balsam fir for
this honor because it was as wide as God's love, as high as the Christian's hope, and it bore the shape of the cross on every
branch. The pine is one of the trees God planted in the desert to give shade to the thirsty; to prove His power over the elements;
and to show His care for the needy. [Is 41:17-20]

When the Holy Family was running from Herod's soldiers, a hollow old pine tree hid the exhausted family in its trunk for a night. In
the morning, the Christ Child blessed the pine with His little hands. Because of this, it is said that by cutting a pine cone lengthwise,
we can see the prints of the Infant's hands to this day.

During the New Year holiday, the Japanese place a pine tree on each side of the entrance to their homes as shelters for the kami
which they believe will bestow blessings upon their household. Perhaps these blessings include fertility, and the marital love and
fidelity symbolized by pine trees in many cultures.

According to Virgil, early Romans decorated pine trees with little masks of Bacchus (a fertility god). As the wind blew these
trinkets around, Bacchus was believed to grant fertility to every part of the tree the masks faced. During their midwinter festivals,
Romans also decorated with evergreens to shelter woodland fairies and gave small trees to their friends as New Year's gifts. Their
Mithraic "Tree of Life" was a pine in which birds and creatures symbolic of the souls of the dead or unborn lived.

Other ancient tree trimming customs include the Chinese sacred trees which were draped with red banners bearing prayers of
thanksgiving and praise. European Druids decorated oaks and pines with apples, candles, and cakes in the form of various animals
and birds as a thank offering to their gods of fertility, agriculture, and light. Greeks and Romans decorated the trees sacred to their
gods and goddesses with garlands of flowers and cloth. In Finland, Lapps filled little boats with bits of food and placed them in a
pine tree marked with sacred symbols. Then they killed a reindeer and placed its internal organs in another tree which they
smeared with the animal's blood.

Christian legend states that on the night of Christ's birth, in spite of snow and ice, all the trees of the earth blossomed for joy, and
bore fruit. In addition, all earth's rivers ran happily with wine. In honor of this legend, Austrians brought boughs of cherry,
hawthorn, and pear trees into their homes at the beginning of December and placed them in jars of water so they might blossom in
time for Christmas.

Another popular story claims that one stormy Christmas Eve, a forester and his family heard a knock at the door of their cottage.
Opening the door, they discovered a little child whom they fed and bedded down in spite of their poverty. In the morning the
sound of an angelic choir awakened them. Their visitor was the Christ Child! As a reward for their hospitality, He tore a branch
from a nearby fir and planted it in the ground. Immediately, it grew and was covered with fruit, nuts, gold, and lights. The Christ
Child promised this tree would forever provide for the forester's family in winter.

With thanks: http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/legend01/xmastree.htm


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 Response 34 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (16:21) * 83 lines 
 
~*~The Date of Christmas~*~
The idea to celebrate Christmas on December 25 originated in the 4th
century. The Catholic Church wanted to eclipse the festivities of a rival
pagan religion that threatened Christianity's existence. The Romans
celebrated the birthday of their sun god, Mithras during this time of year.
Although it was not popular, or even proper, to celebrate people's
birthdays in those times, church leaders decided that in order to compete
with the pagan celebration they would themselves order a festival in
celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. Although the actual season of
Jesus' birth is thought to be in the spring, the date of December 25 was
chosen as the official birthday celebration as Christ's Mass so that it
would compete head on with the rival pagan celebration. Christmas was
slow to catch on in America. The early colonists considered it a pagan ritual. The celebration of
Christmas was even banned by law in Massachusetts in colonial days.

~*~ Mistletoe and Holly~*~
Two hundred years before the birth of Christ, the Druids used mistletoe to
celebrate the coming of winter. They would gather this evergreen plant that is
parasitic upon other trees and used it to decorate their homes. They believed
the plant had special healing powers for everything from female infertility to
poison ingestion. Scandinavians also thought of mistletoe as a plant of
peace and harmony. They associated mistletoe with their goddess of love,
Frigga. The custom of kissing under the mistletoe probably derived from this
belief. The early church banned the use of mistletoe in Christmas
celebrations because of its pagan origins. Instead, church fathers suggested
the use of holly as an appropriate substitute for Christmas greenery.

~*~ Poinsettias~*~
Poinsettias are native to Mexico. They were named after America's first
ambassador to Mexico, Joel Poinsett. He brought the plants to America in
1828. The Mexicans in the eighteenth century thought the plants were symbolic
of the Star of Bethlehem. Thus the Poinsettia became associated with the
Christmas season. The actual flower of the poinsettia is small and yellow. But
surrounding the flower are large, bright red leaves, often mistaken for petals.

~*~ The Christmas Tree~*~
The Christmas Tree originated in Germany in the 16th century. It was
common for the Germanic people to decorate fir trees, both inside and out,
with roses, apples, and colored paper. It is believed that Martin Luther, the
Protestant reformer, was the first to light a Christmas tree with candles. While
coming home one dark winter's night near Christmas, he was struck with the
beauty of the starlight shining through the branches of a small fir tree outside
his home. He duplicated the starlight by using candles attached to the
branches of his indoor Christmas tree. The Christmas tree was not widely
used in Britain until the 19th century. It was brought to America by the
Pennsylvania Germans in the 1820's.

~*~ Xmas~*~
This abbreviation for Christmas is of Greek origin. The word for Christ in
Greek is Xristos. During the 16th century, Europeans began using the first initial of Christ's name, "X"
in place of the word Christ in Christmas as a shorthand form of the word. Although the early Christians
understood that X stood for Christ's name, later Christians who did not understand the Greek language
mistook "Xmas" as a sign of disrespect.

~*~ The Candy Cane~*~
In the late 1800's a candy maker in Indiana wanted to express the meaning of
Christmas through a symbol made of candy. He came up with the idea of bending one
of his white candy sticks into the shape of a Candy Cane. He incorporated several
symbols of Christ's love and sacrifice through the Candy Cane. First, he used a plain
white peppermint stick. The color white symbolizes the purity and sinless nature of
Jesus. Next, he added three small stripes to symbolize the pain inflicted upon Jesus before His death
on the cross. There are three of them to represent the Holy Trinity. He added a bold stripe to represent
the blood Jesus shed for mankind. When looked at with the crook on top, it looks like a shepherd's
staff because Jesus is the shepherd of man. If you turn it upside down, it becomes the letter J
symbolizing the first letter in Jesus' name. The candy maker made these candy canes for Christmas,
so everyone would remember what Christmas is all about.

~*~ Santa Claus~*~
The original Santa Claus, St. Nicholas, was born in Turkey in the 4th century. He was
very pious from an early age, devoting his life to Christianity. He became widely known
for his generosity for the poor. But the Romans held him in contempt. He was
imprisoned and tortured. But when Constantine became emperor of Rome, he allowed
Nicholas to go free. Constantine became a Christian and convened the Council of
Nicaea in 325. Nicholas was a delegate to the council. He is especially noted for his love of children
and for his generosity. He is the patron saint of sailors, Sicily, Greece, and Russia. He is also, of
course, the patron saint of children. The Dutch kept the legend of St. Nicholas alive. In 16th century
Holland, Dutch children would place their wooden shoes by the hearth in hopes that they would be filled
with a treat. The Dutch spelled St. Nicholas as Sint Nikolaas, which became corrupted to Sinterklaas,
and finally, in Anglican, to Santa Claus. In 1822, Clement C. Moore composed his famous poem, "A
Visit from St. Nick," which was later published as "The Night Before Christmas." Moore is credited with
creating the modern image of Santa Claus as a jolly fat man in a red suit.

http://wilstar.com/xmas/xmassymb.htm


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 Response 35 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (16:28) * 58 lines 
 
~*~*~ Greek Christmas Traditions ~*~*~

By Emma Nicolozakes

~*~ The Holiday Season~*~

The Holiday Season in Greece begins on December 6th, which is the Feast of
St. Nicholas, and ends on January 6th, the Feast of the Epiphany. Christmas
ranks as the second most important holiday of the year, superceded only by
Easter. Approximately 95% of all Greeks are members of the Greek Orthodox
Church, and as in the United States, Christmas is celebrated on December 25th.
Christmas is a religious, solemn holiday in Greece, and not as prone to
commercialism as it is in the States. A number of gifts are exchanged between
family members; but in lieu of large expensive gifts, many donations are made to
local orphanages and charities.

~*~ Decoration~*~

Christmas trees are not usually used in Greece. The traditional Christmas season
decoration is a small wooden bowl with a piece of wire suspended over the rim.
A sprig of basil wrapped around a wooden cross is attached to this wire, and a
small amount of water in the bowl keeps the basil fresh. Once a day, the cross is
dipped in Holy Water which is sprinkled around the house to ward off the
mischievous spirits, or Killantzaroi, who are said to play evil pranks on family
members throughout the twelve days of Christmas.

~*~ Santa Claus~*~

St. Basil is the Santa Claus of the Greeks. St. Basil's Day is celebrated on our
New Year's Day, and this is when the presents are exchanged between family
members. Although in the United States we often call Santa Claus "St. Nick", St.
Nicholas in Greece is the patron saint of sailors.

~*~ Carols~*~

During the Holiday season, children go from house to house singing kalanda,
the Greek equivalent of Christmas carols. The children are traditionally rewarded
with treats, such as dried figs, almonds, walnuts, and coins, and the kalanda
they sing are said to bless the house. In fact, the word "carol" itself comes from
the Greek choraulein, which is a Greek dance accompanied by flute music.

~*~ Food~*~

Food is an important part of any Greek holiday, and the Christmas season is no
exception. Traditionally pigs, lambs, and goats were served; today it is common
to have turkey. Christopsomo, the traditional Christmas bread, is shaped into a
round loaf and decorated with a cross. Around this cross are decorations
indicating the trade of the family. For example, if the main livelihood of the
family is fishing, the bread will be decorated with small fish designs. There is a
wide array of desserts served during the Christmas season. Some of the most
popular include melomakarona; cookies dipped in honey, diples, which are fried
dough cookies dipped in honey, and kourabiethes, small cookies dusted with
powdered sugar. Try my recipe for kourabiethes.

Kala Christouyenna!
(Merry Christmas!)


http://www.bellaonline.com/food_and_wine/food/greek/articles/art977072212685.htm


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 Response 36 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (16:34) * 9 lines 
 
I'm hoping someone who knows (Ginny? John?) lets us know how correct the above Greek traditions are.

Wolfie and my daughter-in-law are my German tradition sources.

Maggie, will you add the English traditions I am most familiar with, please?

Any and all comments and traditions are welcome. Rob? What do the Kiwis do? The Maoris?

I'll supply Hawaiian traditions as best I can. We combine many nations' celebrations here. With snow falling on our mountains and cold air coming in my window, I feel very much in the spirit of the holidays. I especially like the Greek tradition of donating to charity for the holiday. That is also MY idea of the best Christmas gift of all that I can give.


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 Response 37 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (19:58) * 5 lines 
 
some of my german traditions got fangled up with anxious waiting children and what to do about them. for example, i was told that we celebrated christmas on christmas eve (the gifts). so i grew up thinking this was why we did it that way, even through my teenage/young adult years. i learned, upon a visit by my new husband (who opens gifts christmas morning) the true origination of the christmas eve exchange was revealed--me and my brother. we would get so excited we'd make ourselves sick! so every christmas eve, the family would pack up the car to go to services and my parents always had to run back in the house. upon our return, santa magically came to our house.

one thing we did celebrate with regularity was st nick's day--Dec 6. this was where we'd set a pair of shoes outside the door. in the morning, we'd find goodies in our shoes. i don't remember the origin of this tradition but have heard it called other things.

in my house, we spent christmas eve driving through ritsy neighborhoods to see how stingy they were with their lights (some weren't at all and they were marvelous displays) until the kids were sleepy. then we played santa.


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 Response 38 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (20:00) * 1 lines 
 
i meant to say, we spend christmas eve looking at lights. and we do the gifts on christmas morning followed by a big meal.


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 Response 39 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (22:10) * 3 lines 
 
St. Nicholas, also called Nicholas of Bari, Nicholas of Myra, and Santa Claus, flourished in the 4th century in Asia Minor near the modern Turkish city of Finike. One of the most popular minor saints commemorated in the Eastern and Western churches, his feast day is December 6th. He is now traditionally associated with the festival of Christmas.

I will share my memories of Christmas tomorrow. Thanks Wolfie!


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 Response 40 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (22:12) * 2 lines 
 
More about St Nicholas
http://www.umkc.edu/imc/stnick.htm


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 Response 41 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Dec 13, 2001 (20:02) * 1 lines 
 
in my christmas memoirs above, i see that i forgot to mention that my parents told me it was german tradition to exchange gifts christmas eve (sorry if that was confusing)


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 Response 42 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Dec 13, 2001 (20:03) * 1 lines 
 
oh, and here's something i suggest you NOT do....do not set up your video camera to capture santa because your children will need therapy when they get older *laugh* my husband did this one year and my son is convinced. but, i say let him believe as long as he can. heck, i still believe in the spirit of santa and the magic associated with him.


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 Response 43 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 13, 2001 (20:23) * 8 lines 
 
Oh Wolfie, how funny. It reminds me of a story about my father catching Santa. I'll post that as soon as I toast my favorite composer's birthday




Thank you for providing the means by which my soul takes flight and my heart is stirred. Beethoven comforts my mind when all else has abandoned me. *Hugs*
(I think the real Beethoven would have cast scorn at me and sent me packing by now if I had dared to hug him!)



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 Response 44 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Fri, Dec 14, 2001 (17:56) * 1 lines 
 
well, you know how geniuses can be! (i love B too)


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 Response 45 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 14, 2001 (19:24) * 3 lines 
 
You're my twin - of course you love Beethoven, too. *grin*

Once upon a time, when my father was very young... (I promise to post it!)


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 Response 46 of 863: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Wed, Dec 19, 2001 (10:02) * 9 lines 
 
Hi all

Another cool topic on Geo - anyway, just wandering around and found
this topic which is why I like Geo above all topics - even radio

happy pre solstice
73 de Mike
AA9IL



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 Response 47 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 19, 2001 (21:18) * 1 lines 
 
and to you cosmo!


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 Response 48 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (17:06) * 5 lines 
 
Way Cool Cosmo has joined the wandering minds that inhabit Geo. We're eclectic, of nothing else!

What do you do to celebrate the holidays? Link your boat anchor radios in parallel or series and fire them all up at the same time? I did that once! Back before there was much music available on radio, I could at least count of a rousing rendition of "God Save The Queen" from the provinces of Canada as they sidned off. On night I managed to tune two radios (tube with huge output speakers) and my head just between them. It wasn't stereo but it sure sounded like STEREO !!! I got the blast of my lifetime listeting and I think I can still hear it rumbling around in my head soemwhere. Sounded glorious to my hungry ears. Did anyone else do anything quite that foolish?

When are you getting an xfm or xam lashup for those long road trips?


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 Response 49 of 863: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (19:18) * 21 lines 
 
Hi yall

Well, Christmas will be up here in the cold climes - got the first
major snow shower to lend the look. Usually, I just fire up one
boatanchror rig to warm the room - either the R390A or SP600 - the
Collins has been getting most of the attention as of late. Anyway
the holidays are reserved for the usual family stuff prior to new
years lunacy plus I need to keep hacking on these transverter
projects to get them completed - the first contest of the year
is January but the big one is in June. For those long trips,
I do take my 2m/440 FM rig with me although I do remember working
mobile HF which is alwasy lots o' fun. Need to get a mobile
rig back in the truck - quite different from when I ran my
Yaesu FT101E in my El Camino back during my college years - it
drew so many amps that the alternator belt snapped - had to
limp home on the 12v battery alone.

Happy Solstice!
73 de AA9IL
Mike
r-c-i


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 Response 50 of 863: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (19:21) * 13 lines 
 
doh!

By xfm you mean the satellite service? I looked at the radios
- kind of neat but I really want shortwave in my truck so I can
listen to Radio Canada, BBC, Radio Nederland, etc while driving.
For music, I have my formidable CD collection - maybe someday
get the satellite service tho....

Fine biz on the eclectic minds - I at least like to think Im
eclectic sometimes....

73 de Mike



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 Response 51 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (20:23) * 5 lines 
 
I agree with you, Mike. Those new little satellite AM and FM receivers leave much to be desired unless you want to loop Art Bell for 24/7 and become VERY strange. Get a good transceiver for you car and a whip antenna with some pulling power. You don't want to get ripped off so make it invisble. My son put the button panel in the dash and put the works under his seat. It works great and he can flip the button panel over so it is totally unappealing. In his house, I never know how to turn things on. Often the goodies are three rooms away and he can station select and tune from the kitchen.

Hawaii has snow, Sunny Greece is under more than a foot of the stuff and you guys are still waiting for your share? Sant Claus comes to Hawaii on a surfboard and we leave a door open for him.

With John's permission I will post an impressive amount of snow covering his car. (There is also an amazing depressed-looking palm tree with its crown flattened by the weight of the snow. It looks so forlorn... At least when it snows in Hawaii, it keeps it up on the mountains and now down where people live. I am looking at it in a little soft cotton shirt. No shovelling.


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 Response 52 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (20:43) * 5 lines 
 

HAPPY WINTER SOLSTICE








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 Response 53 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (20:46) * 6 lines 
 
I can't wait till 31 December ! Look at what my ancestors were doing for fun while some of us will be getting hung over. I'm not sure who gets the worst headache!

Allandale Tar Barrel Burning, Northumberland
A version of burning out the old year, locals walk
down the street with blazing tar barrels on their heads.
Some of these are then thrown to light a bonfire.



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 Response 54 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (21:07) * 3 lines 
 
what day is the solstice? is it tomorrow?? (i had heard that tomorrow will be the shortest day of the year)

great pic of stonehenge!


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 Response 55 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (21:33) * 1 lines 
 
Solsitice is when the sun appears to stand still and our ancestors didnot know if it would reappear and summer would follow, or if they would die a cold and miserable death of starvation in darkness. The lit bonfires and all sorts of other things to get the sun to come back. I'll find some to post. I suspect knocking on wood is not all that different from what they did.


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 Response 56 of 863: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (21:36) * 14 lines 
 
Howdy Howdy

Yep, tomorrow is the Solstice! Very cool picture indeed.
Today while walking to the train station in Chicago, there was
a perfect picture of the quarter moon visible between the
office buildings - I thought to my self: "Moon in the canyon"
The twilight was crisp and clear and the lights in the buildings
and trees did twinkle. This was one of those 'nice winter walks'
and no snow!

73 de AA9IL
Mike
r-c-i



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 Response 57 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (22:11) * 1 lines 
 
too bad you didn't have a camera!!


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 Response 58 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Dec 20, 2001 (22:12) * 1 lines 
 
(thanks for the info on the solstice)


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 Response 59 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 21, 2001 (18:00) * 1 lines 
 
Mike, you need to find Santa immediately and tell him you NEED a camera. You might be the Ansel Adams of the 21st century!


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 Response 60 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 21, 2001 (18:04) * 17 lines 
 
I neglected to tell WHEN the Winter Solstice is.

In the northern hemisphere, the Winter solstice is day of the year (near December 22) when the Sun
is farthest south. However, in the southern hemisphere, winter and summer solstices are exchanged
so that the winter solstice is the day on which the Sun is farthest north. The winter solstice marks the
first day of the season of winter. The declination of the Sun on the (northern) winter solstice is known
as the tropic of capricorn (-23° 27').


The winter solstice is the shortest day of the year, respectively, in the sense that the length of time
elapsed between sunrise and sunset on this day is a minimum for the year. Of course, daylight saving
time means that the first Sunday in April has 23 hours and the last Sunday in October has 25 hours,
but these human meddlings with the calendar and do not correspond to the actual number of daylight
hours. In Chicago, there are 9:20 hours of daylight on the winter solstice of December 22, 1999.

lots more... http://www.treasure-troves.com/astro/WinterSolstice.html



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 Response 61 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Fri, Dec 21, 2001 (19:15) * 1 lines 
 
so it's tomorrow then? 22 Dec and not 21 Dec....but today is the first day of winter!


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 Response 62 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 21, 2001 (19:58) * 2 lines 
 
It depends on your time and locality when the sun reaches its southernmost point
For Hawaii it is definitely the 21st. For Greece it is the 22nd as it is for New Zealand and points east. There is a chart on that page url I posted, I think...


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 Response 63 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (16:20) * 1 lines 
 
ok, gotta go back and find that url!


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 Response 64 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (17:19) * 3 lines 
 
For an easy-to-understand explanation for seasons and why Rob in New Zealand is having summer while North America is having winter:

http://explorezone.com/earth/seasons.htm


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 Response 65 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (21:41) * 1 lines 
 
bookmarked that one, thanks sweetie!


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 Response 66 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec 23, 2001 (21:36) * 1 lines 
 
I think she is too big for the title page. I need a more dignified angel there, I think. But she is so sweet; I love her innocence and tenderness.


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 Response 67 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec 23, 2001 (21:37) * 1 lines 
 
Not YOU, Wolfie! You'd fit perfectly on the title page. I meant the angel I have installed. I will change her back to the star and look for a more stately Herald Angel that Mendelssohn wrote about.


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 Response 68 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (10:42) * 1 lines 
 
i've not even seen the angel yet *sniff*


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 Response 69 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (13:46) * 7 lines 
 

Mele Kalikimaka




Look at Crafts title page. The little angel was there last night when I closed out. Did she fly away? *Hugs* No sniffling on Christmas for my Wolfie-Twin. Only happy smiles allowed (yes, I know!) Please feel free to go use any of my seasonal files. I will email you with the url...





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 Response 70 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (14:00) * 1 lines 
 
JOHN!!! I really DO know how to do this. I just can't make them work and I did not have any separations between my graphics, my commands for the font or the words therein. This is tiresome, so I will not try it again until Next year!


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 Response 71 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (17:13) * 1 lines 
 
well, i don't care about the alignment, it was done with feeling and i love it! (i didn't venture into crafts last night but i did this afternoon and she's really sweet)


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 Response 72 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (18:22) * 1 lines 
 
*HUGS* Wolfie and Merry Christmas!! She really is sweet. We can thank John for slowing her down. When I found her she was positively frantic. Hugs to him, too for all his help with Craft and Geo-decorating


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 Response 73 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (18:29) * 4 lines 
 


Geo's Little Angel



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 Response 74 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (20:23) * 37 lines 
 
I'm not pretending about the snow on Mauna Kea:

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanoes/maunakea/


Mauna Kea Hawai`i's Tallest Volcano

Tall cinder cones atop the summit of Mauna Kea (4,205m) and lava flows that
underlie its steep upper flanks have built the volcano a scant 35 m higher than nearby
Mauna Loa (4,170 m). Mauna Kea, like Hawai`i's other older volcanoes, Hualalai
and Kohala, has evolved beyond the shield-building stage, as indicated by (1) the
very low eruption rates compared to Mauna Loa and Kilauea; (2) the absence of a
summit caldera and elongated fissure vents that radiate its summit; (3) steeper and
more irregular topography (for example, the upper flanks of Mauna Kea are twice
as steep as those of Mauna Loa); and (4) different chemical compositions of the
lava.
These changes in part reflect a low rate magma supply that causes the continuously
active summit reservoir and rift zones of the shield stage to give way to small isolated
batches of magma that rise episodically into the volcano, erupt briefly, and soon
solidify. They also reflect greater viscosity and volatile content of the lava, which
result in thick flows that steepen the edifice and explosive eruptions that build large
cinder cones.
Glaciers on Mauna Kea?
Most people don't think about snow or glaciers in Hawai`i, but geologists have long
recognizd deposits formed by glaciers on Mauna Kea during recent ice ages. The
latest work indicates that deposits of three glacial episodes since 150,000 to
200,000 years ago are preserved on the volcano. Glacial moraines on the volcano
formed about 70,000 years ago and from approximately 40,000 to 13,000 years
ago. If glacial deposits were formed on Mauna Loa, they have long since been
buried by younger lava flows.
Even today, snow falls on both Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa. Both volcanoes are so
high that snow falls during winter months, perhaps accumulating to a few meters
depth. The seasonal snow cover on the steep slopes of Mauna Kea is easier to see
from coastal areas than on the gentle, rounded slopes of Mauna Loa, whose summit
cannot be seen from sea level.

more...http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanoes/maunakea/


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 Response 75 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Mon, Dec 24, 2001 (21:59) * 1 lines 
 
i still can't believe it (though i know you didn't make it up) just doesn't go together--hawaii and snow (even in the mountains)......we could see the snow really good on top of a mountain range here (dunno the name of the mountain). didn't have my camera either or i could've shown you the effects of cooler air and a mountain range on smog. it hung eerily in the air with the mountains rising above it. too bad they don't make giant vacuum cleaners or hepa filters!!


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 Response 77 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 25, 2001 (20:28) * 1 lines 
 
(You didn't expect me to get it right, did you? How I hate disappointing you!)


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 Response 78 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 25, 2001 (20:41) * 10 lines 
 

Mele Kalikimaka



My Christmas is slowly ending as the rest of the world is on another day. My dinner with friends included a very typical Hawaiian eclectic mix of food and people. It has been a very nice day. I hope yours was, as well. For dinner we had rice, sushi, poke (raw fish Hawaiian style), seaweed in various delicious ways, fresh fruit of all sorts, raw vegetables in and out of salads, cheeses, tofu barbecued and other ways, traditional mochi (for good luck)rice cakes, olives, "pot stickers", egg rolls, ham, teriyaki beef, chicken, crab salad Hawaiian style, and so many more I cannot remember...

The people were not the students, this year. Instead, we had a wonderful mix of professors from the local University and
researchers from both the University and from Hawaiian Volcanoes Observatory. I caught such mentions of 45°F at the summit of Kilauea last night and carried on conversations with people I would happily spend many future hours. Discussions varied from hydroponic gardening to the ever-present Volcano, and Ah, yes, we also discussed the eating of dog in the Philippines and other curious food habits of the non-western world.

Many exchanged email addresses. I have, also. Perhaps Mitchell will look here. We discussed programming and websites and digital cameras among other things. Aloha, Mitchell, if you venture here. I enjoyed meeting you - also a transplant from New York.

The food was delicious; the company fascinating. I have had a wonderful Christmas. I hope yours was as pleasant. The only negative is heavy fumes in Hilo due to lack of air movement. It would not take much exercise to make my lungs hurt. Instead I will email a few people and smile in contentment. Thank you all for making my holiday so special. My special thanks to Miu and Bernie for being such good hosts and assembling so delightful a mix of people.


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 Response 79 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 25, 2001 (20:58) * 1 lines 
 
*SIGH*


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 Response 80 of 863: _cosmo_  (aa9il) * Tue, Dec 25, 2001 (21:04) * 17 lines 
 
Happy Holidays and Happy Solstice to All!

Hope everyone had a nice day - neat goodies on this end
but the most noteworthy for the list was the complete
Sci American Amateur Scientist CD rom with plenty of
projects and inpho. First great lightbulb realization
was an article on building seismic detectors using
accelerometer integrated circuits - very different from
my idea of a balanced pendulum with a 50000 turn coil
between the poles of a strong magnet but hey, it should
work! Lots of neat things to build with a danger scale
reading from no hazard to loss of life possible - of course,
I have to try building the proton accelerator (very dangerous).

73 de AA9IL
Mike
r-c-i


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 Response 81 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 25, 2001 (22:01) * 3 lines 
 
Share your projects, Mike, Please! Seismo stuff? Oooh! Any of them buildable by normal people who solder their fingers together and burn holes in bedspreads? (My son, not I!)

Delighted you had such a wonderful day! I send you best wishes and gratitude for making yourself comfortable here. You're a very special guy. I'd love to see your parts department. My Dad had his all stored in amazing large metal cans and various little parts boxes. I kept my hands behind my back when I entered his sanctum sanctorum! But, I can still smell the fragrance of rosin melting on his soldering iron...


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 82 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 25, 2001 (22:04) * 1 lines 
 
I am a map reader of the first order. I got atlases and bound road map books this year. Plus a lovely 4 inch diameter globe made of semi-precius stone and mounted on a golden pedestal. It resides on my mantle piece now! I shall photograph it if it is possible to do so!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 83 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (16:08) * 5 lines 
 
oh marcia, i know the globe you're speaking of (although the ones i've seen were floor models) how wonderful!!!!

sounds like you guys had a lot to eat! i made a roast again and it was delicious. tried out my mom's bread dumplings but, practice makes perfect and they all fell apart during the cooking! *laugh*

hope everyone had a good holiday! *HUGS*


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 84 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (17:46) * 5 lines 
 
Falling-apart home cooking can sometimes be the best. It HAS to be better than solid concrete biscuits my sister served me one year! Sounds wonderful.

I'm busy trying to identify country and gemstone. This had to have been very difficult to make. I wonder how many people went blind making it. Australia is solid abalone shell. Beautiful !

I'm thinking of changing the dividers again. You'd think I'd leave well enough alone....


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 Response 85 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (22:04) * 20 lines 
 
Space Station Christmas

December 25 -- Astronaut Cathy Clarke opened her
eyes and yawned. Mission Control was playing Jingle
Bells over the intercom for about the two hundredth
time. "OK," she barked into the microphone. "I'm
awake and I know it's Christmas!"

Cathy, one of the crew of the International Space
Station (ISS), was feeling homesick.

Back on Earth, she knew, her family was gathered
around the Christmas tree, sipping eggnog and opening
presents. Later they would radio from Houston, but
she yearned to be with them now -- not stuck in an
orbiting laboratory, 350 km above Earth, with no
Christmas spirit.

This is a wonderful story. Read it to your children! The rest of it is
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast21dec_1.htm


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 86 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (22:12) * 1 lines 
 
the new bars are neat! and i noticed the wreaths as well!! concrete biscuits? *yikes*


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 87 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (22:38) * 1 lines 
 
I am trying to prepare for the New Year and get back to undecking the halls. Ther is much good science going on. Saw 5 satellites and the ISS plus an iridium flare a few moments ago! The Hubble in an hour. Hi Mike! *HUGS*


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 88 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (22:43) * 3 lines 
 
ok, how do you know what you're looking at? i can tell satellites from falling stars but that's it.

undeck the halls? you mean we have to take everything down? already!? but wait, we've got mardi gras season starting Jan 6th!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 89 of 863: Mike O'Quinn  (Poubelle1) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (22:51) * 1 lines 
 
Perhaps you would be so kind to help with a delima our marcie i was say calling her the mistress of the east ! ? or would she be considered the Mistres of the west!? she her self while joking about this says she is in the middle ! Pa Shaw! no one can be in the middle , so to her i suggested perhaps i could place a post here and all could vote if she is a mistress of the east or west ! we thank you for your time in responding to this delima in helping to be politicaly correct!! Poubelle1


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 Response 90 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (23:25) * 5 lines 
 
Mike! Congratulations on your maiden post! I am more than a little amazed and delighted to see you here! I'll keep a tally of the votes if there are any. Thanks for making the effort to login and all that! You've joined the HTLM programming cognescenti! Welcome. Feel free to wander around.

Perhaps assistant to the Mistress of the Volcano?

Wolfie, We have to bring in the new year..... and Epiphany... The decorations will stay up for 12 days of Christmas... with New Year celebrations also.


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 Response 91 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (23:31) * 1 lines 
 
When one lives in the semi-middle of an ocean near the international date line, I can't imagine what to call me! How about the lady with far too much curiosity ? I think it fits!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 92 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 26, 2001 (23:37) * 1 lines 
 
Mardi Gras is definitly on the schedule. I expect Mike to help celebrate. He's an expert, I understand...


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 Response 93 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Dec 27, 2001 (10:49) * 1 lines 
 
i say we call marcia the world mistress! *HUGS*


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 Response 94 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 27, 2001 (15:10) * 3 lines 
 
*HUGS* Wolfie. Dobn't let Mike fool you. He is a story-teller of great expertise. Editing what he writes is both a pleasure and a challenge. Pou, did you expect some sort of concensus? I think no one will bother to vote except for my twin sister, Wolfie =) In any case, the true founding genius behind Geo who convinced me I could do it (he lied!) designated me "world builder" instead of host. I am still struggling to learn HTML programming and to make this conference worthy of your time.

I do rather like these bars!


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 Response 95 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 29, 2001 (20:28) * 29 lines 
 
It is comforting to know Greece has a few traditions predating Christianity, just as the rest of us do.

From Christmas in Greece
http://www.gogreece.com/learn/christmas.htm

In Greek homes, Christmas trees are not commonly used, but
recently have become more popular. In almost every house though-
the main symbol of the season is a shallow wooden bowl with a
piece of wire is suspended across the rim; from that hangs a sprig of
basil wrapped around a wooden cross. A small amount of water is
kept in the bowl to keep the basil alive and fresh. Once a day, a
family member, usually the mother, dips the cross and basil into
some holy water and uses it to sprinkle water in each room of the
house. This ritual is believed to keep the 'Killantzaroi' (bad spirits)
away. There are a number of beliefs connected with these spirits,
which are supposed to be a species of goblins who appear only
during the 12-day period from Christmas to the Epiphany (January
6). These creatures are believed to come from the center of the earth
and to slip into people's house through the chimney. More
mischievous than actually evil, the Killantzaroi do things like
extinguish fires, ride astride people's backs, braid horses' tails, and
sour the milk. To further repel the undesirable sprites, the hearth is
kept burning day and night throughout the twelve days. Gifts are
finally exchanged on St. Basil's Day (January 1). On this day the
"renewal of waters" also takes place, a ritual in which all water jugs
in the house are emptied and refilled with new "St. Basil's Water."
The ceremony is often accompanied by offerings to the 'naiads',
spirits of springs and fountains. All in all, Christmas is an enjoyable
part of Greece today and one that should be experienced by all.


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 Response 96 of 863: Kilauea83  (MarciaH) * Sat, Jan  5, 2002 (13:50) * 53 lines 
 
WHAT TO DO IF YOU LOSE YOUR WALLET OR PURSE

A corporate attorney sent this out to the employees in his company.
I pass it along, for your information.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU LOSE YOUR PURSE OR WALLET

We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed in your
name, address, SS#, credit, etc. Unfortunately I (the author of this piece
who happens to be an attorney) have firsthand knowledge, because my wallet
was stolen last month and within a week the thieve(s) ordered an expensive
monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit
line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to
change my driving record information online, and more.

But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this
happens to you or someone you know. As everyone always advises:
1. Cancel your credit cards immediately, but the key is having the toll
free number and your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those
where you can find them easily.
2. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where it was
stolen, this proves to credit providers you were diligent, and is a first step
toward an investigation (if there ever is one).

3. But here's what is perhaps most important: (I never ever thought to
do this)
Call the three national credit reporting organizations immediately to
place a fraud alert on your name and SS#. I had never heard of doing that until
advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was
made over the Internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks
your credit knows your information was stolen and they have to contact you by
phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this,
almost 2 weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done.

There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves'
purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert.

Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my
wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have
stopped them in their tracks.
The numbers are:
-Equifax: 800-525-6285
-Experian (formerly TRW): 888-397-3742
-Trans Union: 800-680-7289
-Social Security Administration (fraud line): 800-269-0271

We pass along jokes; we pass along just about everything. Do think
about passing this information along. It could really help someone.
AND... why not print it up and keep it in a handy place -- not in your purse
or wallet, of course!





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 Response 97 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (14:49) * 30 lines 
 
Stress Makes People Fat, Swedish Study Shows
Reuters
Jan 7 2002 9:15AM

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Long-term stress could make people fat,
according to a study of some 50 overweight middle-aged Swedish men
published Monday.
Disruptions in the human nervous system, or stress, can concentrate fat
around the abdomen, raising the risk of diabetes as well as heart
problems, a study by the university hospital in the Swedish city of
Gothenburg found.
One fifth of Westerners are estimated to suffer from diabetes or
cardiovascular diseases.
"The stress system has developed to deal with periods of brief stress for
stone-age man preparing for battle or flight. But in today's civilized world,
stress is different. One does not beat up the boss or run away from the
mortgage institute," said physician Thomas Ljung, who led the study.
A body under stress creates a surplus of a hormone which stimulates a
fat-gathering enzyme. This enzyme is more easily taken up by the
abdomen than other parts of the body, the survey found.
After a long period of stress, the hormone surplus decreases but the fat
remains, particularly around the bellies of modern men who need less
physical exercise to survive than their forefathers.
"Positive stress, a quick rush of adrenaline, is only good for the body. It is
the long-term negative stress than can lead to serious health problems,"
Ljung told Reuters by telephone.
Even though pot-bellies are often associated with middle-aged men, a
surprisingly large number of women also have a disproportionate
amount of fat around their waists, he said.



 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 98 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (14:50) * 1 lines 
 
Now, I am stressed about getting fat. It is another case of the tail chasing the dog!


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 Response 99 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (18:37) * 1 lines 
 
well that explains my troubles then (that and chocolate, what i eat when i'm stressed)


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 Response 100 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (19:34) * 3 lines 
 
*sigh* We're doomed.

It is a Good Thing I have long legs and do not have fat genes.


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 Response 101 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (22:04) * 3 lines 
 
i'm as fat as i'm gonna get according to my genes (from what i've seen from 3 generations) so that's good. and to think i never broke 100 pounds until i was in the 10th grade!

ah well, german engineering, that's what i call it!


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 Response 102 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (22:06) * 1 lines 
 
did you just now do the snowflakes?


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 Response 103 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (22:32) * 1 lines 
 
Yup just changed them to very small and changed the bars to black. The angel is the only part remaining until John is safely out of the storm. This is the dark of winter, even in Hawaii...


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 104 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan  7, 2002 (22:34) * 1 lines 
 
Oh, I did not weigh over 95 pounds until my son was in high school...


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 105 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (18:43) * 3 lines 
 
*jaw dropping*

i just noticed the black bars (very sophisticated)....the snowflakes still look big to me though.....neat design in the middle, kinda artichoke looking (sp?)


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 Response 106 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (19:27) * 3 lines 
 
I agree about the snowflakes. I'll downsize them a bit more. I would return the hummingbird since I know John is safe and healing (but hate that he has broken his leg!) But, I'll wait.

I found these bars with the red ones I previously used and also a long dark green one just like these - but I have lost the location of the green ones. It does look good with this background, and all is so adaptable. I assume you are assembling your gifs for Mardi Gras? The first floats have made their appearance in New Orleans!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 107 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (19:52) * 1 lines 
 
i'll bet the green ones are nice too. yeah, mardis gras officially started today - 12th night ceremonies and all. i have the gifs for mardi gras just no where to put them (email terry about it though). i've got to get a catalog with beads and stuff to order!


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 Response 108 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (20:12) * 3 lines 
 
Ooouuuuuuu!!! You will out-dazzle the Hollywood glamourati! Looks like I 'd better check holidays and get searching for MardiGras gifs, too. I know there're out there.

Are the snowflakes still too big?


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 109 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (20:18) * 1 lines 
 
no no, i think they're just right now!


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 Response 110 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (20:22) * 1 lines 
 
=) black snow - just like in West Virginia !


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 Response 111 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Jan  8, 2002 (20:24) * 1 lines 
 
*haha*


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 Response 112 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (15:44) * 1 lines 
 
Is the Greek Key divider bar better or worse? I like it! It looks embossed and quite classic. Now, to do something about that black snow...


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 113 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (16:31) * 1 lines 
 
Fresh white snow is not as obvious, but a lot prettier!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 114 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (18:49) * 1 lines 
 
i like them both! and the greek keys evoke a feel for egyptian archaeology.


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 115 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (19:01) * 3 lines 
 
How about Grecian antiquities? I think the Egyptians were too busy carving cartouches and painting 2-dimensional people in 3-D to make elaborate moldings, plinths, and such. Take a look at the pyramids, then look at the Parthenon in Athens, Greece. *SIGH*

I like them, too.


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 116 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (19:50) * 3 lines 
 
true true, but they both have wonderful architecture for their times.

on second thought, unless it's my screen, the white snowflakes look like they're missing to me (not see through), just like a cut out or something.


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 Response 117 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (21:35) * 1 lines 
 
Hmmm... let me try to see them on internet explorer. I see them as vaguely white with sketchy edges. I need better graphics there. I'm working on it!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 118 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (21:39) * 1 lines 
 
yup, they look like they are rougfhly punched out on IE. I will find the thing I want and post it ASAP *smile*


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 119 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (22:00) * 1 lines 
 
Oooh Sweetie, and Omega would be perfect for our alter-images. Let me know how it goes. I can always send you that next year... Sorry for the loss of word I caused you but I simply HAD to do it =)


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 120 of 863: Cathy M  (KitCat) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (22:09) * 1 lines 
 
Help! I'm neew here. I'm looking for the DDL board... obviously, I'm lost :(


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 121 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (22:36) * 3 lines 
 
DDL??? Darcy Drool Ladies? See http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/drool/all/new

I started there. Enjoy!!!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 122 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (22:48) * 1 lines 
 
Specifically, http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/112/new is Darcy Drool. Happy reading. You will see me there a lot in the past!


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 Response 123 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jan  9, 2002 (22:50) * 1 lines 
 
No, these are not the right torches, either. Back to searching and restoring the snowflakes.


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 124 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Jan 10, 2002 (18:34) * 1 lines 
 
i thought they were aztec motifs!


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 Response 125 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 10, 2002 (18:51) * 1 lines 
 
Oh Dear! No, alas, they are the Salt Lake City 2002 Official Olympic Winter Games Logo. I was going to put Athens 2004 laurel wreath up, but I could not find one good enough to copy. I had a torch there, but it was static and not very good. I'll keep looking...*sigh*


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 126 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 10, 2002 (18:57) * 1 lines 
 
I think they're supposed to be snowflakes... I'm going back to the white snowflakes for now.


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 127 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Jan 10, 2002 (20:27) * 1 lines 
 
i'm having no luck finding olympic motifs such as the rings for you to use. torches are easy enough-in fact, i think i have one in my files. will check for you!


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 Response 128 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 10, 2002 (23:50) * 3 lines 
 
Thanks! I even tried borrowing one from an active website with not much success. I only managed to find a HUGS Olympic flag which was too large to use here. How hard can it be to make five interlocking circles? I'd like to use the Salt Lake City Logo if I could make it ANY other colors!!! I even tried white but the lines around it are not solid enough to look good. I will hunt further, also. *Hugs*, Wolfie!

We have to be interesting to entertain John while he mends. I'll try to find interesting things for him to contemplate.


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 Response 129 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb  5, 2002 (18:58) * 28 lines 
 
It is Treaty of Waitangi day in New Zealand and a day of significance for their nation.

THE TREATY OF WAITANGI 1840
[English text of the Treaty]

Her Majesty Victoria Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland regarding with Her Royal Favour the Native Chiefs and Tribes of
New Zealand and anxious to protect their just Rights and Property and
to secure to them the enjoyment of Peace and Good Order has deemed
it necessary in consequence of the great number of Her Majesty's
Subjects who have already settled in New Zealand and the rapid
extension of Emigration both from Europe and Australia which is still in
progress to constitute and appoint a functionary properly authorized to
treat with the Aborigines of New Zealand for the recognition of Her
Majesty's Sovereign authority over the whole or any part of those
islands.

Her Majesty therefore being desirous to establish a settled form of Civil
Government with a view to avert the evil consequences which must
result from the absence of the necessary Laws and Institutions alike to
the native population and to Her subjects has been graciously pleased
to empower and to authorize "me William Hobson a Captain" in Her
Majesty's Royal Navy Consul and Lieutenant Governor of such parts of
New Zealand as may be or hereafter shall be ceded to Her Majesty to
invite the confederated and independent Chiefs of New Zealand to
concur in the following Articles and Conditions.

more... http://www.govt.nz/aboutnz/treaty.php3


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 130 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb  5, 2002 (18:59) * 1 lines 
 
OOps. not till February 6th. I'll try to find a flag to post tomorrow. Which flag is Politically Correct on this occasion? Rob, Help!


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 131 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Feb  5, 2002 (19:04) * 1 lines 
 
but will we have ftp tomorrow?


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 132 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb  5, 2002 (19:33) * 1 lines 
 
No, probably not ftp, and I thought I had it on my old files at Spring. I have everyone but NZ. I'll borrow one from somewhere on the net =) I'll also save it until such time as I can ftp.


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 Response 133 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb  5, 2002 (19:34) * 1 lines 
 



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 Response 134 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb  5, 2002 (19:35) * 1 lines 
 
Hmmm Is it big enough?


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 135 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Tue, Feb  5, 2002 (21:15) * 3 lines 
 
nah, a couple more inches and it'll cover the entire screen *laugh*

did you post it in rob's topic?


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 136 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (14:57) * 2 lines 
 
Not posted yet in Rob's topic. My reason is because there is a lot of politics and racial overtones to this day just as there are certain Hawaiian celebrations. Post the wrong flag as we are all in for accusations of being politically incorrect. This national flag of NZ has the flag of the Union ("Union Jack") of the UK on it. I suspect to the Maori, it is less than welcome.
Black with silver ferns? I am waiting to hear from Rob.


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 Response 137 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (19:14) * 26 lines 
 



THE IDEA, ITS RELEVANCE FOR TODAY, THE SYMBOL








OLYMPIC TRUCE - THE IDEA

The tradition of the “Truce” or “Ekecheiria” was
established in ancient Greece in the 9th
century BC by the signature of a treaty
between three kings. During the Truce period,
the athletes, artists and their families, as well
as ordinary pilgrims, could travel in total
safety to participate in or attend the Olympic
Games and return afterwards to their
respective countries. As the opening of the Games approached, the sacred
truce was proclaimed and announced by citizens of Elis who travelled
throughout Greece to pass on the message.
http://www.olympic.org/uk/organisation/missions/truce/truce_uk.asp


 Topic 50 of 92 [Geo]: Et Cetera
 Response 138 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (19:17) * 1 lines 
 



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 Response 139 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (19:17) * 1 lines 
 
aha - I need to make the background transparent. =)


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 Response 140 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (19:22) * 2 lines 
 
Now I need to be able to ftp them to Spring. *sigh*



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 Response 141 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (19:23) * 3 lines 
 
the olympic rings are great!!

(i know nothing about the correct flag for NZ)


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 Response 142 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (22:08) * 1 lines 
 
It is the one I posted, though they are discussing alternatives now that they are distinct from the old Empire. Check this super source for flags of many sorts New Zealand: http://www.fotw.stm.it/flags/nz-mao.html


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 Response 143 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (22:10) * 1 lines 
 
I have the olympic rings ready to ftp to Spring. I can get there but it won't accept anything I try to send.


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 Response 144 of 863: Curious Wolfie  (wolf) * Thu, Feb  7, 2002 (12:51) * 1 lines 
 
that's the probs i've been having with it....


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 Response 145 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb  7, 2002 (18:15) * 1 lines 
 
I can finally ftp to my sites but none of them show up on the net. Have they disappeared into Topic 65? *sigh*


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 Response 146 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb  8, 2002 (20:16) * 7 lines 
 
The Olympic cauldron has been lit. The games are officially open. Geo has installed the logo and waits the rings created by John. I think it totally appripriate that he does this for us. After all, we are celebrating his heritage throughout the world. I just wish the Olympic truce existed for all time on the entire planet.

Higher * Faster * Stronger

Let the games begin

May the best person win



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 Response 147 of 863: Lucie  (alyeska) * Fri, Feb  8, 2002 (21:21) * 1 lines 
 
Amen to that.


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 Response 148 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb  8, 2002 (21:29) * 3 lines 
 
I am just now seeing the opening ceremonies. They, like everything else in Hawaii, are tape delayed. I am sharing this with everyone with tears of lost innocence in my eyes. The world is not united even by sport. I would live forever in the embrace of the Olympic Ideals.

*Hugs* to you all !


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 Response 149 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 10, 2002 (23:40) * 27 lines 
 
Olympic Hymn

The Olympic Hymn, played when
the Olympic flag is raised, was
adopted by the International
Olympic Committee in 1957. The
music was composed by Spirou
Samara and the lyrics were written
by Costis Palamas (spelling of their
names varies in different sources). It
was first incorporated at the Rome
Olympics in 1960.

In addition to the official anthem,
each host city where the Olympics
are held can also create its own
anthem. "Bugler's Dream" by Leo
Arnaud was introduced during the
1968 Olympic Games in Grenoble.
Subsequently, John Williams
composed the "Olympic Fanfare
and Theme" for the 1984 Olympic
Games in Los Angeles.

http://www.santacruzpl.org/readyref/files/m-p/olympichymn.shtml

This is the most glorious music and the commentators talke all the way through it. I was NOT happy!


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 Response 150 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 10, 2002 (23:42) * 1 lines 
 
Now, if only someone recorded it and I can get hold of a copy. I will search for this, also!


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 Response 151 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 11, 2002 (10:58) * 5 lines 
 
If ever there was a reason for appreciating just what satellites can do---with the help of some high altitude aerial imagery, dedication, hard work, and a lot of expensive equipment---this is it!

Here is a must see!!!! http://olympics.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Click on the animation and zoom away!


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 Response 152 of 863: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 11, 2002 (12:18) * 35 lines 
 
OLYMPIC GAMES - Not an Ordinary Competition

The Olympic Games are about more than sports. The Games have
always been about peace. The first known Olympic Games occurred over
2,500 years ago, in Olympia, Greece. A Greek king called for a truce, or
pause from all fighting, so that the best athletes could compete against each
other in peace. The truce declared: "May the world be delivered from crime
and killing and freed from the clash of arms."
The Games were held every
four years until the year 394 CE.

Over a thousand years later, Pierre de Coubertin suggested the world once
again hold Olympic Games. He thought the Games would promote world
peace and friendship. He designed the Olympic symbol of five interlocking
rings to show the union of the different parts of the world. The ring colors
are blue, yellow, black, green, and red. The