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Topic 9 of 55: PERMISSION TO SHOOT

Wed, Jul 8, 1998 (06:52) | Riette Walton (riette)
Okay, so now we have a logo for this conference. With Wer and Mike's help
it will hopefully not end there.
Use this topic to tell me what YOU want or don't want from this conference.

70 responses total.

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 Response 1 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Jul  8, 1998 (07:09) * 11 lines 
 
As soon as I've got a background going here, I shall start putting in pictures, mine, and hopefully yours. No, I don't expect any of you to reveal your souls, but I do think we're a creative and funny bunch most of the time, and I think it would be brilliant fun to see each other's 'loo sketches' as well as some more serious stuff. I don't want this conference to turn snobby, and so I'll share
some of my serious work with you, those of you who want are VERY VERY welcome to share yours. Even if you don't intend to go professional, it is still
nice to have feed-back from others, to discuss things, and well, just keep the creative part of our minds working.
But I also want this to be a place where we can display silly sketches of
things we see every day - no talent required. I'm very bad at sketching, so
none of you have to be shy. Art isn't about being able to draw or not - it is
about our interpretation, the pleasure we can derive from looking at things.
My daughter's scribblings for example, are as much art to me as Picasso paintings - simply because it gives me pleasure to look at them. I think it's
time to scrub the fancy gold plate off the concept of art and see it for what it really is: something for everyone.

.


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 Response 2 of 70: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Wed, Jul  8, 1998 (15:09) * 3 lines 
 
hear hear! i am possibly the most appaling artist in the sense of "motor skills" - I just don't have any. but i have a fiery imagination, which i get so frustrated with because my hands just won't make it come out!

heeee...watch out world :)


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 Response 3 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Jul  8, 1998 (15:56) * 2 lines 
 
Thank you for your willingness and support, Mike. It is very much appreciated.
I'm going to go open a topic, okay?


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 Response 4 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Jul  8, 1998 (19:10) * 1 lines 
 
okay. hey, i'm good with stick figures, does that count?


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 Response 5 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul  8, 1998 (20:43) * 1 lines 
 
that's one step above my ability...


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 Response 6 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Jul  8, 1998 (22:04) * 1 lines 
 
finger painting is good. duz you needs a huggy wuggy? me thinks you do *hug*


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 Response 7 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (01:02) * 2 lines 
 
Stick figures, finger paint, paw print, rock painting, a blotch on the wall -
they're all wanted and welcome here.


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 Response 8 of 70: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (14:06) * 2 lines 
 
ever make pictures with crayon shavings and an iron?



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 Response 9 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (14:29) * 1 lines 
 
yep! (of course, having waxed paper helps also...)


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 Response 10 of 70: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (14:32) * 1 lines 
 
if'n you're using your own iron, that is!


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 Response 11 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (14:37) * 1 lines 
 
no one else will let me borrow theirs...


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 Response 12 of 70: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (14:42) * 2 lines 
 
I refuse to iron and Brandon will NOT let me touch ours for art projects!
Eh, wrinkles are a fact of life!


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 Response 13 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (15:52) * 2 lines 
 
why not? the iron plate can be cleaned off! (i hate ironing, but i hate wrinkles
worse)


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 Response 14 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (17:28) * 3 lines 
 
I've NEVER heard of it!!! Stacey what are the chances of getting one of those
into the Gallery? See, that's just the sort of thing I want. We can all learn about
and appreciate each other's ideas. And I'll go open a topic to discuss this sort of thing in. Thank you!


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 Response 15 of 70: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (18:11) * 1 lines 
 
I'll send you some of my students' work!


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 Response 16 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (22:03) * 2 lines 
 
can't say i've ever tried it, maybe i will....now if i can just find the crayons
the dogs didn't get to (what is it with dogs and crayons?)


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 Response 17 of 70: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (22:48) * 1 lines 
 
We used to do the crayon/iron thing on T-shirts in Girl Scouts; we called it batik, which is Malaysian for clique-y-WASP-activity-to-earn-a-merit-badge.


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 Response 18 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (22:54) * 1 lines 
 
I remember it from vacation bible school, school, and cub scouts...


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 Response 19 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (23:03) * 3 lines 
 
do you guys remember those yarn cross things? you know, you take two sticks,
place them on top of each other in a cross fashion, then weave yarn in and out between them? those things were fun, but i don't remember how exactly to do it.
(like to show my kids, y'know?)


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 Response 20 of 70: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (23:14) * 2 lines 
 
They're called Gods-eyes, we made them at Vacation Bible School last year. I think it went like this: you use 2 dowels the same size, make a cross shape, and secure them together with 2 individual pieces of thread in an "X". Then start with your first color of yarn; knot it to one arm of the dowel; completely encircle the dowel and go to the next arm, and so on. After several times around, knot it off and start in on the next color. It is easier to picture than it is to describe, so I hope this makes
some sense, Wolf.


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 Response 21 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (23:17) * 2 lines 
 
yes, it does, just couldn't remember how to start them or what they were called.
(and how do you do the crayon on the t-shirt thing?)


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 Response 22 of 70: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (23:24) * 1 lines 
 
I have those instructions around here somewhere...I'll post them next time I'm on. It's real easy.


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 Response 23 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (23:27) * 1 lines 
 
and real messy, too, huh? thanks, Autumn!


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 Response 24 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (23:33) * 1 lines 
 
ojo de dios, in Spanish, for the yarn cross thing...


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 Response 25 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  9, 1998 (23:42) * 1 lines 
 
cool!


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 Response 26 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (01:27) * 4 lines 
 
You're becoming a language (S)EXPERT, Wer!

Stacey, I would love to put your kids' pics on here - tell them I'd consider it
an honour.


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 Response 27 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (11:28) * 2 lines 
 
i think that would help open up people's eyes to what they can do, maybe start
breaking down the stigma, you know?


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 Response 28 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (14:55) * 2 lines 
 
Absolutely. And I find children better artists than we grown-ups anyway. Their
work is free and open and unpretensious.


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 Response 29 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (21:57) * 1 lines 
 
i know, we're too busy following rules that we forget to let go once in awhile..


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 Response 30 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (01:33) * 3 lines 
 
I almost think we are unable to let go like that as grown-up artists. I learn
alot from Isa's art. I feel more free to just do anything, and not merely go for
what I think other's might like.


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 Response 31 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (14:24) * 2 lines 
 
my kids just draw. doesn't matter that the sky is purple or anything. i think,
though, my son is losing that a bit.


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 Response 32 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (14:35) * 4 lines 
 
I sometimes wonder if that (and I remember starting to make blue skies around
ten or so) can be seen as a symbol of one's gradual becoming aware of the
bleak realities of Life as you grow older and change into an adult. How old
is he?


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 Response 33 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (14:37) * 1 lines 
 
*gulp* 9. he's really growing up.


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 Response 34 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (14:50) * 11 lines 
 
Frightening, isn't it? A friend of mine had a baby boy on Monday morning.
Today I visited, and holding him I could have had another on the spot. I kept thinking how familiar it felt, and smelled, about the deep contentment I felt
at the births of my babies, you know that mixed sense of wonder and responsibility that such a small baby brings. It was like only a day or so had passed since I had Elza, and there
she was, running around the room, and fighting with her sister and saying,
'My baby, Isa, not yours!'
I realized my baby had grown into a toddler, and felt cold all over. I cannot
imagine never feeling like that again, and so I feel really really really broody at the moment. But Chris is not so sure - the round birthday has somehow upset
us both. I want to have another before it is really too late for him, he wants
everything to quieten down now. The one problem about big age differences
in men and women, I suppose. I don't know. Perhaps I'm just afraid of the
way it all goes so 'too quickly'.


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 Response 35 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (16:05) * 7 lines 
 
i'm at a nice round age (and nice round middle) that i can't see having more
babies. mr wolf doesn't mind the idea, but i dunno. i like to hold people's babies
but then i like to give them back. it's alright to brood now and again. and i
understand what you mean by it seeming just a few days ago. my baby girl (and
best buddy) is now 5 and she is in a struggle with her wanting independence.
she lashes out at me every chance she gets. it's hard to want more babies when
they're being so ugly, you know? mr wolf and i are merely a year apart.


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 Response 36 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:14) * 14 lines 
 
That must make things easier - sometimes we just seem to have totally
different goals in life. But we usually manage to work it out okay. Chris
is a strange and hard and kind man.

And I know what you mean by them being ugly. Isa is great fun, but at
3 she can also be a real pain at times. Sometimes we just have these
'cop' days, as Americans would put it. That's when I don't want any more
children. I just think it will be so much fun when I'm in my thirties, because they
will both be over ten by then, and we could travel and go merry-go-around
hunting together. I don't want more babies to stop that from happening. Anyway, so then, at the end of such a day, I'll say
to her: 'You know, Isa, today was a cop day. I felt like a cop all day.'
And she'll just give that sleepy smile, and say, 'That's okay. Go to sleep now, Mummy.'
And I just feel like having another six!



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 Response 37 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:54) * 4 lines 
 
haha! mine will say to me, 'i don't like you when you're ugly' and then i'll say
'now you know how i feel.' now she calls me her 'big fat mama' and boy don't i
ever feel so good....



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 Response 38 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (18:15) * 4 lines 
 
Oh, you poor thing! I know, they can be HORRIBLE at times! When I scowl and tell Isa off for shouting at me for nothing, she says, 'Please don't hurt me, Mummy, please!', and wimpers as if I were some monster, and it just makes me feel like the wicked witch from the west. (south in this case!)
Once Chris and I were squabbling over which restaurant to go to on his free day, and she said, 'You TELL her, Daddy!'
Well, I suppose they also get fed up with seeing my old face all the time.



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 Response 39 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (19:53) * 3 lines 
 
yeah, but as much the monster that i am, as soon as the mr wolf starts stomping around
they can't wait to take shelter with me, the big monster! oh and she'll be the
first to tell daddy not to yell at me or whatever!!


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 Response 40 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (01:42) * 4 lines 
 
SAME HERE!!
Hilarious, isn't it?! OH, daddy can just say 'no' once, in a friendly tone, and
they side with me like a pair of fanatics! Little lunatics! Then I'll say 'no' to
something, and they run to him! One can't win! ha-ha!


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 Response 41 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (10:38) * 1 lines 
 
yup. funny, for all my hollering, those kids still want to follow me everywhere!


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 Response 42 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (11:34) * 1 lines 
 
Hellish fun, is what Chris sometimes calls it!


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 Response 43 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (17:14) * 3 lines 
 
yeah, think you really have to be looney for them to put up with it, you know?
how many of your friends would you allow to throw ugly temper tantrums in your
house?


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 Response 44 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (17:15) * 1 lines 
 
oh wait! I throw ugly temper tantrums in my house, but it's MY house, eh?


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 Response 45 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (01:52) * 18 lines 
 
Ha-ha!! Me too! With my kids I take the open approach. If they pi$$ me off,
I make sure they know it, and if I pi$$ them off, then they can tell me too.
Keeps it simple, and nothing gets bottled up. It just get a little embarassing
when they come out with an 'oh, shutup' or a 'damn it!' or a 'bloody he££' in
front of the grandparents!!! My mum is the mother of all swearing, she says
she only started swearing after having twins, but Chris' parents are very old now, totally unapproachable, hate the fact that he didn't marry a more dignified person of his own age and standing, very conservative, and very deaf, except to swear words it seems. So they get a little perturbed at times.
I had such a laugh once. Sometimes when the kids did something sweetly
naughty, I pretend to smack them by putting my hand on their bum, and smacking my hand, making it sound like the real thing, and they laugh themselves to bits. Last time we were in England, I was thus smacking them for
playing hide-and-seek in the suitcases, and messing up the clothes,
when the talking in the front room suddenly became very silent, so I told
Isa to scream every time I hit her. Well, she was very convincing, pretending
to scream and howl - and they all came charging into the room, thinking I
was abusing my poor children!!! Isa and I thought it hysterical, but they
were not amused, so I was gravely admonished by the grandparents who
think this girl from the bush seduced their poor innocent little(!!!!) son! ha-ha!
Chris laughed himself to bits, but it's been months, and we've not been invited
back . .. . should have thought of it alot earlier!



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 Response 46 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (17:34) * 9 lines 
 
haha!! over here, they'll turn you in without finding out anything and begin an
investigation. granted, it's good for those who do abuse their kids, but what
about the parents who are taking care of their kids? one lady was turned in
because she slapped her son after she told him to quit hitting his sister in a
grocery store. they took him away!! give me a break! and the poor little guy
was, like, i deserved a smack, i didn't listen to my mom. thankfully, they
were reunited. that's terrible, to cause such heart ache. all they'd have to
do was talk to the kids, not just rip the whole house apart because of some
over-zealous child-abuse watcher. my kids do not act up in stores, thank goodness. they let their hair down here!


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 Response 47 of 70: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (21:30) * 2 lines 
 
i think you guys need to disappear into the parenting conf (if there is one)



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 Response 48 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (21:52) * 4 lines 
 
there is one, i avoid places like that (not to offend anyone here, haven't been
to this one yet) i always feel like i'm doing everything way wrong! as if there
is one right way to deal with children. reitte and i went off on a tangent (but
you were polite in your comment *smile*)


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 Response 49 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (01:38) * 6 lines 
 
Okay, then I officially rename this topic to
PERMISSION TO SHOOT THE CHILDREN!!

No, just a joke. Sorry we went on like that, everybody. And thanks for
the criticism, Mike. See? I don't blow up EVERYTIME someone criticizes
me. Just every other time . . . . :-D


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 Response 50 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (22:17) * 1 lines 
 
oh, good, must mean it's my turn...


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 Response 51 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (01:17) * 1 lines 
 
And would YOU like to criticize today, Wer? I'm all ears and all spears....


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 Response 52 of 70: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Jul 17, 1998 (22:29) * 19 lines 
 
Um, if anyone is interested, here's the crayon batik directions:

You need a pre-washed all-cotton shirt, crayons, newspaper, and an iron.

Have the child sketch out a draft of the design on paper. Bold, basic shapes (such as hearts, stick figures, etc.) work better than intricate patterns.

Lay the garment on a hard, flat surface and tape it down to secure.

Have the child decorate it, pressing down firmly and retracing/reshading once or twice. Red, blue and green work better than pastels. To make letters or numbers, try using scotch tape to form the letter/number and color around the edges (kind of the opposite of a stencil).

Peel off the tape (this is important!) and place a thick layer of newspaper on the ironing board. Lay the shirt, colored side down, on the paper and press the back side of the design for a minute or so with the iron on the cotton setting.

Peel off a layer of newspaper, lift the shirt and place it down on a fresh layer of paper and press again. Repeat until no color comes off on the paper.

Wash the garment in cool water and tumble dry (this is what the directions say but there ain't no way a shirt with crayon on it is going in my dryer!)

Have fun.




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 Response 53 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 18, 1998 (01:00) * 1 lines 
 
Thank you, Autumn, I'm going to try that as soon as my finger is better. Sounds like fun!


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 Response 54 of 70: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 18, 1998 (04:58) * 4 lines 
 
cool :) I'm sorry, my response wasn't meant to be criticism, i just pressed the submit before putting the little grinny face in. so here it is, to make up for it:

:-)))





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 Response 55 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jul 18, 1998 (07:36) * 2 lines 
 
ha-ha!!!
Wasn't offended in the first place though. And if it were a criticism, it would have been fair.


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 Response 56 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Dec  8, 1998 (17:25) * 1 lines 
 
Will somebody shoot now, please? This waiting is making me rather nervous...


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 Response 57 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Dec  8, 1998 (19:23) * 3 lines 
 
*bang*

feel better? not me, my hair's standing on end. (a little wolf humor there)


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 Response 58 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (01:17) * 1 lines 
 
ha-ha! I feel alright - or will soon; honestly, I don't know why you had to shoot me with rabbit droppings. Leftovers from dinner?


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 Response 59 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (08:04) * 1 lines 
 
how'd you know?


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 Response 60 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (09:51) * 1 lines 
 
Keen sense of smell....


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 Response 61 of 70: T Patrick McCourt  (PT) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (17:33) * 1 lines 
 
And an extensive knowlege of by-products?


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 Response 62 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (18:29) * 1 lines 
 
haha! or wolfie excrement!!


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 Response 63 of 70: T Patrick McCourt  (PT) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (18:49) * 1 lines 
 
Perhaps just generic manure?


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 Response 64 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (18:51) * 1 lines 
 
generic? hardly! this wolfie has unique droppings even if i say so myself. ok, can we please quit talking about poop?


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 Response 65 of 70: T Patrick McCourt  (PT) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (18:53) * 1 lines 
 
Consider it done.


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 Response 66 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (18:54) * 1 lines 
 
*whew*


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 Response 67 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (23:02) * 1 lines 
 
I came in on the end of that one.


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 Response 68 of 70: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Dec 10, 1998 (00:42) * 1 lines 
 
Be thankful for that!


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 Response 69 of 70: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Dec 10, 1998 (08:59) * 1 lines 
 
what a clever play on words, wer! *grin*


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 Response 70 of 70: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Dec 10, 1998 (09:22) * 1 lines 
 
thanks!

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