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Topic 5 of 77: What about being a vegetarian?

Mon, Nov 4, 1996 (07:52) | Paul Terry Walhus (terry)
Are you a vegetarian? If so, how long have you been one?
Are you "strict"? Do you eat chicken, fish, eggs or dairy
products? Do you stick to it or do you (like me) deviate
from it from time to time?

Why are you a vegetarian? For philosophical or health reasons?
Or both? Or neither? Maybe you just like the way vegetarian
food tastes?

273 responses total.

 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 1 of 273: Mika-Petri Lauronen  (Mixu) * Wed, Nov  6, 1996 (08:01) * 6 lines 
 
My vegetarian life began when I started dating with one. I suddenly realized I
hadn't been eating meat for two weeks, and felt perfectly well. So, I quit
eating meat altogether.

We are no longer together, but I am still a vegetarian - a stricter one than
she is. She eats fish... :0)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 2 of 273: Andrea Foster  (sparrow) * Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (14:06) * 7 lines 
 
I first became a vegan my senior year in high school, in 1991. I put up with much ire from my parents for my animal-rights beliefs. They're both from the meatloaf and potatoes generation and areas of the country so they couldn't see any use in my beliefs other than disrupting meal times. I escaped that, going to university, but found that I couldn't get the kind of variety I needed to maintain a healthy vegan diet on the college meal plan, so I had to switch to ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I stayed one until
he summer of '94, when I lost my will and drive to protest and became somewhat of a born-again carnivore. I still ate meat when I met my fiancee, as did he.

Then, somewhere in early '95 I decided I didn't like how my body felt with meat, so I went back to vegetarianism and was suprised to find that my fiancee gradually joined me. He's a Midwestern meat eater from way back, so this was a pretty big leap. We've been in and out of veganism ever since, but always vegetarians. It's very, very difficult to find a wide range of fruits and vegetables here in Illinois, and especially if you're living hand-to-mouth. We dream of a day when we can move to California, wh
re produce is organic by law!

While we both love all animals and share the belief that we have no right to call some animals pets and others dinner, we both wonder what we'll do when we have kids. While I wouldn't want to impose our beliefs stringently on our children, we also don't want our kids thinking they necessarily have to subscribe to the meat myth. Anyone have experience with this, stories to share?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 3 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (20:21) * 6 lines 
 
I once lived on the Farm, the largest vegetarian community in the world. We
really were pretty pure about it. We imported soy technology to Guatemala and
other countries. We made tempi, tofu, soy cheese, soy coffee, cottage tofu,
and many other soy products. Our cookbooks are famous, though not as comprehensive
and authoritative as those of Bill Shurlieff and Akiko Ayoyagi. Give me time,
and I'll tell some tales. This is just an introduction.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 4 of 273: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Dec 12, 1996 (14:30) * 3 lines 
 
Although an omnivore, I'd love to hear
the tales. Anyone else interested?
WER


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 5 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Thu, Dec 12, 1996 (20:17) * 1 lines 
 
William, Matthew and fig, in cultures, could tell some tales too.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 6 of 273: KitchenManager  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (15:56) * 4 lines 
 
Tell, tell, tell! Enquiring minds want to know.
I want to know!
I'm off to bug them also,
WER


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 7 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Sep 23, 1997 (12:17) * 3 lines 
 
Pescatarian: isn't that the new term if you eat fish and no other meat?
Anyway, that's me. Restaurants used to be tricky with it but, alas, not anymore. Seems everyone is giving up something these days. The only thing I can't stand is those people that want to give up all fat.
C'mon guys "fat tastes Goooooooood!"


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 8 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus  (terry) * Wed, Sep 24, 1997 (07:49) * 2 lines 
 
I don't know, I've never heard that term before. Fat is good if
you're a heavy burner like you are. Tell the rest of the story.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 9 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Sep 24, 1997 (09:28) * 5 lines 
 
Do I look like Paul Harvey?
Fat is good and it's a reciprocal relationship. If you eat more fat, you'll
have extra energy. If you spend extra energy, you're body will process more
fat.
"And now you know the REST of the story."


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 10 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Sep 24, 1997 (19:29) * 3 lines 
 
I'm not sure what Paul Harvey looks like, will you give me a raincheck on
the answer to that? That sounds logical, energy to burn. And you are a
high octane burner!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 11 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jan  8, 1998 (10:58) * 5 lines 
 
Someone once asked Issan, "Tenzo! We are vegetarians, so we don't kill
animals. But we eat carrots and potatoes. What do you think about
killing vegetables?"
Issan replied, "Well, I definitely think we should kill them before we
eat them."


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 12 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Jan  8, 1998 (20:46) * 2 lines 
 
heard that and appreciate the significance.
*smile*


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 13 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jan  8, 1998 (20:51) * 3 lines 
 
You're driving me nuts...
What's wrong? Do I need to
call ya at home later?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 14 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Jan  8, 1998 (21:04) * 2 lines 
 
nothing's wrong. just really tired.
a draining week quite honestly and I, like my students, have not fallen easily back into the groove.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 15 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jan  8, 1998 (23:28) * 2 lines 
 
Hope you got a good nights sleep.
Type to ya on Monday...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 16 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Fri, Jan  9, 1998 (18:14) * 2 lines 
 
got a great night's sleep.
After I made it to school the snow started... looks like an inside weekend. More rest and maybe a bit of lesson plan writing.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 17 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jan 10, 1998 (21:29) * 2 lines 
 
Hope it was a productive and
beautiful weekend!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 18 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Jan 15, 1998 (17:43) * 4 lines 
 
Fairly productive but not in the ways I had imagined. A lot of thinking. A lot of resting and calming of the soul.
No lesson plans were writ!

Ate well on Sunday though! Broncos queso, Broncos cheeseball, Broncos pie, Broncos beer!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 19 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jan 15, 1998 (20:12) * 2 lines 
 
Ya gonna put all yer remaining virtual dollars on the Bronchos?



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 20 of 273: stacey leigh vura  (stacey) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (17:09) * 2 lines 
 
All but $500.
Wouldn't wanna be completelty flat.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 21 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (21:13) * 2 lines 
 
You know, normally, I would take this opportunity
to comment...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 22 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (08:22) * 1 lines 
 
Done deal for stacey in broncholand.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 23 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (18:21) * 2 lines 
 
but wer, you'd have nothin to say...
*grin*


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 24 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (18:50) * 3 lines 
 
Ya, mean, wer ain't gonna be sippin' Buds with all his rowdy friends
on Superbowl Sunday?



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 25 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (16:42) * 1 lines 
 
Paul, wer wasn't going there...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 26 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:21) * 1 lines 
 
Raided the health food store last night...got 3 lbs. of tempeh and 1 package of wheat meat. Anyone want to share favorite recipes?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 27 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:37) * 8 lines 
 
Gosh, where did I stash that tempeh cookbook of mine?

Well, a real basic one (ok, ok Stacey, I know you've heard this
before, let me finish) is to slice the tempeh like french fries,
boil up some vegetable oil in a frying pan, then deep fry the tempeh,
the result is are delectable "tempeh fries".




 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 28 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:40) * 1 lines 
 
I like frying them in chili powder and rolling them up with monterey jack cheese and tomatoes in tortillas. Mmm!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 29 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Jan 26, 1998 (09:36) * 1 lines 
 
wow Autumn, that sounds delicious!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 30 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Mon, Jan 26, 1998 (16:55) * 1 lines 
 
It is, and it meets the minimum ingredient requirements. It's a win-win recipe!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 31 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (21:14) * 3 lines 
 
being no veteran vegetarian, as, obviously, you all are, please tell me what
tempeh is and does it really taste good? Really love my vegees, but don't know
if I could adopt any protein substitute (cuz, I likes a good steak now and again)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 32 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (21:48) * 1 lines 
 
(i think it's hallucenogenic, actually)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 33 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (22:08) * 1 lines 
 
must be to make you forget about steak!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 34 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (22:15) * 2 lines 
 
don't you watch "oprah"
(hell, i'll never eat beef again...)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 35 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (22:18) * 1 lines 
 
avoid talk shows.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 36 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (22:35) * 5 lines 
 
having my chef-boyardee supper, currently
(been alternating between that and peanut
butter crunch... chef-boyardee better serves
my needs, though, 'cause there's no dishes,
and that's an important consideration)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 37 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (22:38) * 1 lines 
 
yeah, cuz they're all in the flour bins (dishes)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 38 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (22:41) * 2 lines 
 
actually, one of my little friends washed
them for me, not too long ago...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 39 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (22:43) * 3 lines 
 
hope they were in a fresh air suit (don't remember the technical name of the
thing-but it's got hoses hooked up to breathe outside air and all-they use 'em
in paint booths and stuff)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 40 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (00:50) * 3 lines 
 
I grew up on Chef Boyardee pizza. Mom made it once a week at least
and it was a big deal.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 41 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (02:14) * 7 lines 
 
yeah, my mom used to make that, too (and it was a very big deal)...
when i owned a pizza joint i actually tried for awhile, when i was
experimenting with recipes and stuff during pre-opening, to duplicate
the sauce...(even had my sysco guy pester their buyer about getting
the stuff wholesale, but he claimed it couldn't be gotten... probably
because they had a million cases of alpha d'oro gathering dust in their
warehouse)...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 42 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (10:08) * 2 lines 
 
I loved chef boyardee pizza! That stuff was the best.....and now my kids get
the same stuff (poor babies!) But they love it as I did.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 43 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (15:15) * 3 lines 
 
I, too, was raised on Chef Boyardee pizza, as well as macaroni and cheese, every Saturday night immediately following "Wide World of Sports" (still hear Baltimore's Jim McKay raving about "the thrill of victory, and the agony of defeat...").

By the way, Wolf, tempeh is a fermented soy product from Indonesia. It is quite tasty and has a very satisfying texture, similar to meat. Much superior to tofu or seitan, in my opinion.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 44 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (15:38) * 3 lines 
 
if it wasn't for the ravioli, though, i would
probably perish...
(hi autumn)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 45 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (15:58) * 1 lines 
 
hi Nick, glad to see you here! :) (very happy and sincere)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 46 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (16:14) * 4 lines 
 
mais naturellement... et je tu...
(umm, did i say that right? or is
madame allen smiling cruelly, yet
again?)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 47 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (16:34) * 1 lines 
 
close enough, even for Mme. Allen!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 48 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Sat, Jan 31, 1998 (20:44) * 1 lines 
 
thanks Autumn (and for not making fun of me because i hadn't a clue!)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 49 of 273: stacey leigh vura  (stacey) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (12:12) * 3 lines 
 
Chef Boyardee...
used to piss mom off by eating it directly out of the can. Just as good room temp as heated IMHO. Haven't had it in about 10 years.
Mac& Cheese... still a staple in our home. As a child, Mac&Cheese and Spaghettios were always Wednesday night foods (mom's night out with dad at the kitchen helm). In college it was a treat... meant I could afford milk and tasted better than Ramen. Now we do a double batch on those super lazy evenings when no one (I) wants to cook and eat it out of a huge bowl with two forks.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 50 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (14:30) * 1 lines 
 
mac and cheese are still big hits in my house, hot dogs, and pb&j. kids love the ramen, which i ate a lot when single (along with soup and tuna)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 51 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (14:38) * 4 lines 
 
think i went like 6 months once where i ate
nothing but canned ravioli and super tacos
(in between lots and lots of beer)...



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 52 of 273: stacey leigh vura  (stacey) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (17:52) * 12 lines 
 
nick...
speaking of the 'wonder of existence'...
Jeez that sounds rough on a body!

Tonight I'm making the thrifty pan fried noodle (with Ramen!)
Lots of mushrooms, some carrots, celery, zucchini (cause it sounds good) with my eggy noodles. Plenty of soy and some Woschtershire (sp?)

Getting excited just thinking about it!

Last night I went for Thai food with some friends
plenty of good food but the quantities of bad beer hurt me!
Looking to go a bit cleaner today.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 53 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (21:33) * 10 lines 
 
i was 17 years old at the time... rarely
eat the tacos any more (nor do i drink
nearly as much beer... like jerry jeff
said... "i don't drink as much/ as i ought
to...")... try not to eat much meat (i NEVER
eat in my restaurants... and really don't
consider that stuff in ravioli to be meat,
if you know what i mean)...
and it sounds like maybe you were drinking
coors, stacey...:)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 54 of 273: stacey leigh vura  (stacey) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (22:03) * 15 lines 
 
how d'ya know?
coors it was.
I have a self destructive tendency towards dive bars
like the atmosphere
like the people watching

hate what it does to my insides!

last night it was the Full House bar off Broadway
nasty bar wench
lotsa 'bubbas'
really strange dynamics at a joint like that
but no false pretenses!




 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 55 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (23:16) * 1 lines 
 



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 56 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sun, Feb  1, 1998 (23:18) * 1 lines 
 
(was going to respond, decided not to...)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 57 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (16:42) * 12 lines 
 
because coors is "hangover beer"...(if you drink it, you
deserve a hangover)...
just kidding... if i have to drink domestic beer, it's coors
(or shiner or lone star, if coors isn't available), but for
some reason coors has given me a hangover a few times (only
other beer to do that was blue ribbon, the first and last time
i drank it)... i used to think it was guilt (because adolph coors
was such a fascist), but other people have told me the same thing,
though it makes no sense (you'd think it'd all be the same, hang-
over-wise)...
out of curiosity, how do you define a "dive"?
("nasty bar wench" was a nice touch, by the way...)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 58 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (16:47) * 1 lines 
 
Ever drink Rolling Rock? Comes from a small brewery in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. I don't even know if its distribution goes beyond the mid-atlantic region. Simple, unpretentious, and no hang-over!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 59 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (16:47) * 3 lines 
 
ummm, rephrase... it was "nicely put" (assure you i have no idea
about the touch thing... uh, as pertains to nasty bar wenches...
hell, you know what i mean...)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 60 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (16:56) * 7 lines 
 
yeah, it's okay... i have several friends who drink it
(but i wouldn't recommend asking for it 'round here...
(blank stare... followed by irritated scowl... followed
by 15 watt redneck gleam in the eye, and the inevitable
nasty bar wench snappy comeback..."what in the hail is
that? some kinda ferren crap?")...
i like ale, and if i can't get that, german beer...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 61 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (17:29) * 7 lines 
 
dive: low budget, kinda dark, crowd speckled with members of White Trash America. no pretenses was the best I could come up with. 'cuz bubba doesn't give a flip what you're wearing or what ya look like... if you're drinking beer, he likes ya.

think the explanation makes it sound a bit too country...
dive is just a hole in the wall with a local crowd of which I am usually not a member but find fascinating to watch/talk with.

i prefer amber beers
don't care for Rolling Rock in the 'beer' category


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 62 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (17:50) * 4 lines 
 
that makes sense... around here, though, qualifying as a dive
(and it is an aspired-for designation,, assuring brisk business)
requires a reasonable expectation of witnessing/being involved
in a shooting before the night is done...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 63 of 273: stacey leigh vura  (stacey) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (22:41) * 4 lines 
 
that, dear sir, would be the Broadway Cafe.
24 hour diner, frequented by transients, the mentally deranged, the other worldly or the generally unsuspecting (which suspect soon enough and bolt)
The only place where a man crawls inside, out of his drunken stooper and asks to pour your coffee. Genuinely nice, if not altogether sane folks.
Send many a fight there but the fried egg sandwiches are worth it!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 64 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (22:57) * 9 lines 
 
is that the place in the commercial?
(you know, where the rednecks sway back and forth
singing "rocky mountain high"?)

the lone star lounge... all (or less than) it sounds
to be... twice saw shootings there... nearly died
there myself (not the ideal venue for long-haired
guys wearing tennis shoes)...



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 65 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (23:31) * 3 lines 
 
now, try that in a pool hall when not only
is your hair long, but it's in a neon orange
mohawk...hehe...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 66 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb  2, 1998 (23:36) * 2 lines 
 
i dunno, wer... some things are too scary even for
dumb rednecks (that just may be one of 'em...)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 67 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Feb  3, 1998 (18:09) * 1 lines 
 
rarely find a vegetarian in the group...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 68 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Feb  3, 1998 (21:46) * 2 lines 
 
that's true,
but you can usually find a few vegetables...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 69 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Tue, Feb  3, 1998 (21:47) * 1 lines 
 
LOL (yeah, am following you *smile*)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 70 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Tue, Feb  3, 1998 (21:55) * 1 lines 
 
(geez, sorry)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 71 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Wed, Feb  4, 1998 (15:34) * 1 lines 
 
Good one, wer!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 72 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 19, 1998 (00:03) * 1 lines 
 
thanks, guys(gals?(oh, nope, friends...gotta be gender unspecific, ya know))...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 73 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Thu, Feb 19, 1998 (16:09) * 1 lines 
 
yeah, the 90's thing....


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 74 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Feb 20, 1998 (20:19) * 1 lines 
 
Wer never struck me as a politically-correct kind of guy....


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 75 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Feb 20, 1998 (22:51) * 1 lines 
 
Well!!!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 76 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (18:45) * 1 lines 
 
Well, what, wer?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 77 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (11:03) * 2 lines 
 
Defaming my character, Autumn?
(and/or besides, can't a guy change?)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 78 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (20:17) * 1 lines 
 
Do you consider being politically incorrect a defamation of character? My husband prides himself on it! So maybe that was a backhanded compliment...speaking of change, I see you changed the blue/purple color scheme to red/brown. Snazzing the place up, eh?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 79 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:20) * 2 lines 
 
trying to...
(oh the things I got planned...)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 80 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:29) * 1 lines 
 
red!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 81 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (09:19) * 2 lines 
 
it's all black and white when you're telneting...
but I'll use my overactive imagination to add color and other such things!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 82 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (23:05) * 2 lines 
 
okay, thanks!
(hey, what other such things?)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 83 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (17:35) * 2 lines 
 
*smile*
PICTURES!!! dirty ones too!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 84 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (22:18) * 1 lines 
 
Do they need to be washed?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 85 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (15:40) * 1 lines 
 
maybe spanked!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 86 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (16:06) * 2 lines 
 
Please do explain...
(and be as descriptive as I'd like...)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 87 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (00:09) * 13 lines 
 
um, don't mean to intrude...
but i'm redesigning menus, and i'd appreciate some
veggie burger suggestions...
also, i was in town (austin) the other day, and SOMEWHERE
i saw a menu with black bean burgers... had just eaten lunch
at threadgills, so i was in that vicinity i'm sure (north
lamar, between airport and parmer lane) but cannot for the
life of me remember where it was...
also, wer, do you have a used equipment source (beyond triple a,
network, or john oberman)? i'm looking for smallware, mainly,
and trying to avoid the acemart route... seems like there used
to be a place on burnet somewhere, but maybe i'm flashing back
to a previous life or something...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 88 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (00:23) * 2 lines 
 
I don't, but I'll ask around...
(Intrude?)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 89 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (02:10) * 1 lines 
 
Nick, there's a bunch of burger alternatives at www.vegsource.com; go into "meat substitutes" on the corner frame. Bon appetit!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 90 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (02:19) * 1 lines 
 
(merci beaucoup)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 91 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (03:14) * 3 lines 
 
Hobie's gotten too big for you? That's Hoberman.
^



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 92 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (03:54) * 5 lines 
 
it's kinda scary walking around out there (at john's place)... plus, he's
the only one there that speaks english, and he's constantly on the phone,
so it takes forever sometimes to get a quote, even when you do find what
you need... and- though john possesses a distinct, very unique charm, he
can be a little difficult to deal with, sometimes...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 93 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (16:57) * 2 lines 
 
black bean burgers at Chili's!
veggie burger suggestions: have them!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 94 of 273: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (22:58) * 4 lines 
 
thanks... will try one this weekend, when i'm in town...(no chilis
out here in the hinterlands, needless to say)... still, it's driving
me nuts trying to remember where i saw that damn menu... (one too many
heinekens at lunch that day, i reckon)...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 95 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Sat, Mar  7, 1998 (17:53) * 1 lines 
 
what? they substitute the meat for black beans? gross idea, but is it good?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 96 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Sat, Mar  7, 1998 (22:31) * 1 lines 
 
Joined a food co-op--Neshaminy Valley. Now all my health food/health products come right to my neighbor wholesale, and we all pay for what we ordered, split cases of produce, etc. It was always a hassle driving 45 minutes to Baltimore to shop at the congested Whole Foods, and the people there are so rude. My neighbor, on the other hand, is an absolute angel and i don't have to leave town!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 97 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, Mar  9, 1998 (09:53) * 1 lines 
 
Wolf, they make a patty out of black beans, spices and other assorted non-meat products!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 98 of 273: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Mar 11, 1998 (22:06) * 2 lines 
 
oh, you mean like soy bean burgers......what a catch-all, "assorted non-meat
products", gross, almost sounds like the catch-all "hot dog" *giggle*


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 99 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, May 16, 1998 (00:25) * 1 lines 
 
http://www.gardenburger.com/


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 100 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Sun, May 17, 1998 (22:39) * 1 lines 
 
I have been buying 100% organic/natural food from this co-op for so long now, that when I ate out this weekend (car broke down and we were stuck in the same town for 36 hours), I was surprised at how different the most basic foods tasted (pancakes, bread, soup, etc.).


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 101 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Mon, May 18, 1998 (17:14) * 1 lines 
 
scary, eh?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 102 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (21:00) * 1 lines 
 
You got that right! I had to flush out my system with green tea when I got home. It is amazing how prevalent white bread is in the 90s....


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 103 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, May 28, 1998 (13:34) * 35 lines 
 
Hey, guys, have any of you ever read through an Afrikaner cookbook? It's a scream! See, my father was an Afrikaner (yeah, I'm half a Boer, and if anyone blabbers that out on the philosophy conference, I shall never show my face again), and the one thing he was good for, was the knowledge of the language.

Anyway, there is this famous Afrikaner cookbook, called 'Kook en geniet' - Cook and Enjoy it. On page 10 (and I have it before me) they have sample menus for a healthy, balanced diet. Here's one of the suggestions . . . and keep in mind this is for a single day.

Breakfeast:

Pawpaw with lemon
Dried meat
Scrambled egg
Bacon
Fried mushrooms
cheese omelette

Main meal:

Roast beef or lamb
Roast potatoes
Buttered beetroots
Buttered green beans or Baked brinjal
Leeks with butter
Cream carrots

Supper:

Vegetable soup
Stuffed tomatoes on lettuce leaves
Wholewheat bread with butter and jam
Cottage pie or Meat patties
Dried meat

Jeesh, and they wonder why they all die before the age of forty!!!

Oh, and there are recipies which start with something like:

Take one ox . . .


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 104 of 273: Leplep le Plep  (jgross5) * Thu, May 28, 1998 (14:44) * 3 lines 
 
I eat my brinjal raw, thank you.

But page 11 has my favorite menu.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 105 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, May 28, 1998 (14:48) * 1 lines 
 
Which consists of?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 106 of 273: Leplep le Plep  (jgross5) * Thu, May 28, 1998 (15:41) * 5 lines 
 
rice and meatballs
with a pinch of ree-head
that's a peculiarly tasty Australian spice that's usually exported out of
Brisbane
i wish we could talk sometime


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 107 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, May 28, 1998 (17:23) * 3 lines 
 
Ree-head is the worst spice in existence. Did you know its core consists of exactly forty eight pips? Yeah, I counted them for myself! They should ban it! It's so . . . so . . . oh, just foul!

You want to talk? I wanted to talk to you yesterday, but you weren't listening, so SWEAT, Texas Ranger!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 108 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, May 29, 1998 (13:31) * 1 lines 
 
I guess the Afrikaners are not big on vegetarianism? Pawpaws are native to the East coast of the US as well and are quite tasty--they are really making a comeback here. Ree-head? Pips? What language are you speaking??


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 109 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, May 29, 1998 (13:55) * 5 lines 
 
You don't know ree-head?
It's a kind of chilly, but I don't think you get it in America - don't know where Jim knows it from. It's orange, with a funny sort of shape and inside are exactly fourty eight pips. But if you should ever come across it, STAY AWAY! It's the worst spice in the world. Really quite venomous.

Oh, and no, you're right. The Afrikaners aren't big on vegetarianism at all. I grew up eating meat for breakfeast, lunch, supper and inbetween, but have pretty much come off it since coming here. I sometimes still crave good meat - hence the meatball week - but only sometimes. I much prefer exotic fruits now - I eat myself sick on them, especially when I suffer from insomnia . . . with dire consequences at times. Tummy aches etc. Pawpaw is one of my favourites.
I love that bittersweet taste and all the water in it.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 110 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (14:43) * 2 lines 
 
pawpaws...euuwww
icky-icky-bad


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 111 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:15) * 1 lines 
 
What? Really? I love slimy things. What's your favourite fruit then, Wer'


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 112 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:24) * 1 lines 
 
blackberries, pears, tangerines, watermelons


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 113 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:36) * 1 lines 
 
mangoes??


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 114 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:36) * 2 lines 
 
oh, stop, you're making me hungry! Especially watermelons. And I like spitting
the pips at the girls - we have regular pip-wars!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 115 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:42) * 3 lines 
 
just yours Stace...

I also like cherries and pineapples


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 116 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:49) * 3 lines 
 
Woo WOOOOO!
caught me off gaurd with that one REW!
(but thanks!)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 117 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:54) * 2 lines 
 
really, you, off guard,
what's preoccupying your lust gland these days?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 118 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:54) * 1 lines 
 
is lust a gladular secretion?!?!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 119 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:59) * 3 lines 
 
yours, at times, has made me glad...

(ooops, you meant glandular)


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 120 of 273: stacey leigh vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (17:03) * 1 lines 
 
*laugh*


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 121 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun 10, 1998 (21:28) * 1 lines 
 
http://www.veg.org/veg/


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 122 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Jun 11, 1998 (01:00) * 2 lines 
 
hmm strange codes popping up on my screen . . .
virtual necrophilliac blushing, I suppose ...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 123 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jun 11, 1998 (11:47) * 9 lines 
 
sorry, Riette, should have also said that that site
bills itself as, and I quote:

The Vegetarian Pages is intended to be an independent, definitive Internet
guide for vegetarians, vegans and others.
The Vegetarian Pages hosts many valuable resources too!

they're at
http://www.veg.org/veg/


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 124 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Jun 11, 1998 (13:04) * 1 lines 
 
ugh! Won't see me there. Sounds far too healthy!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 125 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jun 11, 1998 (18:26) * 2 lines 
 
Cool! I'll scheck it out.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 126 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Jun 11, 1998 (18:44) * 2 lines 
 
Oh dear, you're one of those guys who live on lettuce and water?
I find that very scary.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 127 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jun 11, 1998 (19:20) * 1 lines 
 
no, he eats at the restaurant, also


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 128 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Jun 11, 1998 (19:39) * 1 lines 
 
lettuce?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 129 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Jun 12, 1998 (12:29) * 1 lines 
 
I bookmarked that site, wer, thanks for the resource.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 130 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jun 12, 1998 (14:03) * 1 lines 
 
you're welcome


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 131 of 273: Leplep le Plep  (jgross5) * Fri, Jun 12, 1998 (20:34) * 2 lines 
 
i'm goin' there right now and I'm takin' all my books.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 132 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Jun 13, 1998 (01:20) * 1 lines 
 
You have space in that head of yours for the knowledge that comes from books as well?! Impressed, Texas!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 133 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Nov 13, 1998 (10:12) * 4 lines 
 
"No Schmaltz," a Yiddish cooking video with English subtitles, features
instructions to create nine Jewish vegetarian dishes such as eggless
matzo balls and "chickenless" soup. The 30-minute video costs $27. For
more info, call The Vegetarian Resource Group at (410) 366-8343.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 134 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Nov 13, 1998 (21:47) * 1 lines 
 
Interesting! Wer always finds the weirdest stuff.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 135 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Nov 14, 1998 (22:40) * 1 lines 
 
Hey, I gotta be good for something...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 136 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Sun, Nov 15, 1998 (00:42) * 1 lines 
 
I like vegetarian food well enough that I could go out to eat with a vegetarian and enjoy what i was eating, but I would not want to limit myself to vegetables entirely.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 137 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (03:09) * 1 lines 
 
I like vegetables too, and adore fruit more than chocolate, but sometimes the bloody instinct just takes over, and then I need something chewy, juicy, mmmmmoooo-y. And there tofu and soya just don't do the job for me.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 138 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (06:57) * 1 lines 
 
Chocolate covered cherries?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 139 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (10:36) * 1 lines 
 
Sounds stupendous! Where can one get those????


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 140 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (11:45) * 1 lines 
 
In this country, every candy shop carries them. If you can't find any, give me a surface address and I'll ship some over. They aren"t very perishable unless they get hot, and that's not likely at this time of year. In addition Lammes' Candies, here in Austin, is one of the best candy makers in the country.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 141 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (00:39) * 1 lines 
 
DEAL! But first you must tell me what to send you in return? Cheese with sexy holes in? No, no, seriously.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 142 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (02:00) * 1 lines 
 
Cheese or chocolate. I really don't know what else they make in switzerland besides highly expensive machined items. and watch works. Actually you could make one heck of a fondue out of swiss cheese and white chocolate.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 143 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (02:01) * 1 lines 
 
And, of course the cheese with the sexy holes sounds good too.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 144 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (15:37) * 1 lines 
 
My organic co-op order was (*gulp*) $130 today.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 145 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (15:54) * 1 lines 
 
Ouch! what did you get?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 146 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (16:02) * 3 lines 
 
WOW, Autumn!! Hope it's worth it!

Will send you a piece of chocolate and a piece of cheese for the road, Tim! And I'll make sure the cheese has a large hole or two for those lonely, lonely nights.... Should I address it for some highway between Texas and New Jersey?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 147 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (16:16) * 3 lines 
 
I live in the same house as terry. 9011 Quail Creek Dr. Austin, TX 78758.
But remember, this is part of a deal. I need an address to send the chocolate covered cherries to.
I try to stay out of Jersey. There aren't many places I can turn around there. the last time I got lost in Jersey, I ended up turning around in the parking lot of a swimming pool.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 148 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (16:33) * 8 lines 
 
Hope you at least took the opportunity to take a swim!!!
My address is:

Riëtte Walton
Klosbachstrasse 72
CH-8032
Zürich
Switzerland


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 149 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (18:06) * 1 lines 
 
Unfortunately I could not go for a swim. It was a hot day and a blacktop parking lot. If I had stopped for any length of time I'd have sunk in. Remember my wheels carry between 2000 and 3000 kilos each. the tire contact patch is only @ 25cm square.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 150 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Nov 18, 1998 (00:42) * 1 lines 
 
Good God! That can happen??? Yes, of course it could - all that weight concentrated on such a tiny surface. Has it ever happened to you?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 151 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Wed, Nov 18, 1998 (01:01) * 1 lines 
 
Not with the tires, but I've had the landing gear fall through several times, when the trailer was dropped. Loads of fun. Takes about 2 hrs and a lot of hard work to get it out. then you have two holes to fill in.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 152 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Nov 18, 1998 (06:09) * 1 lines 
 
Don't forget to send the tape, Ree! It's ready?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 153 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Nov 18, 1998 (12:52) * 5 lines 
 
Yep, and I dread to think what's going to go through your head when you see it! ha-ha! Ah well, it was good fun. I'll send it the end of the week, so hopefully you'll get it within the next 2 weeks.

You know what Terry? I've got it all figured out with President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky - it was all a huge misunderstanding on her part! She probably walked into the dining room one morning, and found him upset over the burnt eggs. Then she probably asked him if there was anything she could do, and he said, 'Sack the cook!'.
And she, being NOT the cleverest woman alive, took it for 'Suck the cock!'.
Accurate theory?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 154 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Wed, Nov 18, 1998 (15:52) * 1 lines 
 
I think you may have something there. And, perhaps a future as a political commentator.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 155 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Nov 19, 1998 (00:55) * 1 lines 
 
Why, thank you, sir. It IS rather a shocking insight I have, isn't it?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 156 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Thu, Nov 19, 1998 (01:01) * 1 lines 
 
Truely enlightening. Terrrriffic story line for a documentary on PBS.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 157 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Nov 19, 1998 (08:47) * 2 lines 
 
Move over, Eleanor Clift.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 158 of 273: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Thu, Nov 19, 1998 (21:24) * 1 lines 
 
Boca burger meat, bilberry juice, amazake, whole wheat pasta, broccoli/zucchini pasta, brown rice, couscous, etc. etc. It just all seems to add up. And I forgot to order the peanut butter, which would have been an extra $18 right there. But I'll be creative with it all.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 159 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Thu, Nov 19, 1998 (23:53) * 1 lines 
 
18 Dollars for Peanut BUtter? how much peanut butter?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 160 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Nov 20, 1998 (00:34) * 2 lines 
 
Jesus, Autumn! $18 for peanut butter! That's like paying a male prostitute
$10 000 for a quickie. Now, the male prostitute might have a golden willie - what is your peanut butter's excuse?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 161 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Nov 20, 1998 (03:40) * 2 lines 
 
Maybe she's getting a 5 pound bucket.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 162 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Fri, Nov 20, 1998 (04:06) * 1 lines 
 
Should still be less than 10 dollars.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 163 of 273: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Nov 20, 1998 (09:19) * 2 lines 
 
Maybe it's designer pb.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 164 of 273: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Nov 20, 1998 (09:47) * 1 lines 
 
Money says it's the nuts...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 165 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Fri, Nov 20, 1998 (09:49) * 1 lines 
 
Knowing the way some of these health food companies operate, I probably should not be surprised at the price. I take several herbs on a regular basis. I buy them in bulk at wally world. If i bought them at a health food store, they would cost 5 times as much.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 166 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Nov 21, 1998 (00:21) * 1 lines 
 
Well, as long as Autumns enjoys those golden peanuts of her's.....


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 167 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Sat, Nov 21, 1998 (00:21) * 1 lines 
 
I don't know. I've always been kind of spooked by a woman that goes for the nuts


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 168 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Sun, Nov 22, 1998 (01:55) * 1 lines 
 
Specially one who wants to crush them up and make a paste of them.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 169 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (00:32) * 1 lines 
 
ha-ha! And I've been having such lovely dreams lately....


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 170 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (00:37) * 1 lines 
 
About what??


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 171 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (06:49) * 1 lines 
 
Eating golden peanuts...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 172 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (10:18) * 1 lines 
 
OOOH! Sounds good to me. As long as they remain whole.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 173 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Nov 24, 1998 (00:21) * 1 lines 
 
You mean I have to suck them??


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 174 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Nov 24, 1998 (00:34) * 1 lines 
 
That would be the preferred method. Licking also works.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 175 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (00:52) * 1 lines 
 
Licking won't get me anywhere... After all, they are meant to be swallowed...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 176 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (08:39) * 2 lines 
 
OH BOY RIETTE!! If that don't give new meaning to, "Deep Throat", I don't know
what will.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 177 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (10:14) * 1 lines 
 
I WAS talking about golden peanuts, remember! What were YOU talking about??


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 178 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (11:57) * 6 lines 
 
Major Gen McAuliffe's response to the German demand for surrender at the battle of the bulge.







 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 179 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (00:49) * 1 lines 
 
Oh, so it WAS merely a gun in your pocket! And I thought you were happy to see me...


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 180 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (01:17) * 2 lines 
 
Riette, of course, I'm always happy to see you!! Maj Gen McAuliffe's Response:
"NUTS".


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 181 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (09:53) * 1 lines 
 
Dare I ask who Maj Gen Mc Auliffe is?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 182 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Thu, Nov 26, 1998 (16:31) * 1 lines 
 
He was the commander of the 101st Airborne division in dec 1944.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 183 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (00:24) * 2 lines 
 
And Popeye's girlfriend? Get it? Mc Aullife?
Blugh! Bad joke, I know.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 184 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (00:36) * 1 lines 
 
Good eye Riette! I missed that until you pointed it out.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 185 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (00:45) * 1 lines 
 
I would have missed it too, but I decided to get on the net with my binoculars today - still trying to spot you, but so far nothing.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 186 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (00:51) * 1 lines 
 
Riette, check your six!!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 187 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (15:02) * 1 lines 
 
My six? What are you talking about, young man?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 188 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (15:10) * 1 lines 
 
Behind you, Riette, Behind you.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 189 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (00:24) * 1 lines 
 
But I see only four!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 190 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (00:30) * 2 lines 
 
Now, you've got me, Riette! Think of a clock face with the 12 right in front of
you and you standing in the center.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 191 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (14:35) * 1 lines 
 
Oh my Lord! And I thought you meant the moles on my back!!!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 192 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Sat, Nov 28, 1998 (14:41) * 2 lines 
 
And just how would I know about the moles on your back, Riette? are there some
pictures floating around that I don't know about?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 193 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sun, Nov 29, 1998 (00:54) * 1 lines 
 
ha-ha! I hope not!!! I thought you were taking a wild guess!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 194 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Sun, Nov 29, 1998 (01:02) * 1 lines 
 
Well now, Riette, we all know who is the wild one here.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 195 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Dec  1, 1998 (00:32) * 1 lines 
 
Not me! You know how good I can be if I want to....


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 196 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Dec  1, 1998 (00:54) * 1 lines 
 
Riette, I don't think that I've seen that side of you, but I look forward to it.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 197 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Dec  1, 1998 (12:48) * 1 lines 
 
Okay, I promise to be sweet as sugar, and soft as .... margarine (since this is the vegetarian conference, and all).


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 198 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Dec  1, 1998 (20:46) * 1 lines 
 
Riette, how about soft as cornsilk.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 199 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Dec  2, 1998 (00:38) * 1 lines 
 
ha-ha!! Soft as a bed of trampled tomatoes.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 200 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Wed, Dec  2, 1998 (00:41) * 1 lines 
 
OOOH, that's Good, Riette!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 201 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Dec  2, 1998 (11:06) * 2 lines 
 
yeah yeah
you're just saying it!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 202 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Wed, Dec  2, 1998 (12:14) * 1 lines 
 
No, Riette, I really mean it.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 203 of 273: Riette Walton  (riette) * Thu, Dec  3, 1998 (00:09) * 2 lines 
 
Mean what???? ha-ha! Thanks anyway!
What are your favourite vegetarian dishes?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 204 of 273: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Tue, Dec  8, 1998 (17:44) * 2 lines 
 
I am not familiar with vegetarian cooking enough to name dishes. all I know is
everything I tried I liked.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 205 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 10, 2000 (13:13) * 30 lines 
 
A Simple Vegetarian Dish With Shallots

This simple vegetarian dish can be the main course or the
vegetable served with a main course.

Ingredients:
-8 small onions or shallots (if available)
-1/2 cup of water
-4 tablespoons of olive oil
-5 garlic cloves, finely sliced

-fresh basil to taste
-salt and coarse ground pepper (to taste)
-fresh orange-scented thyme (to taste)
-juice of 1/2 lemon

Method:
Boil onions or shallots for 10 minutes in 1/2 cup of water.
Chop when cooled.

Take 4 tablespoons olive oil, heat and add 5 cloves of
garlic sliced into fine slices. Cook until tender.

Add some fresh basil, salt and coarse ground pepper, fresh
orange-scented thyme, and the juice of half of a lemon to
garlic. Add all to onions (or shallots). Mix well and
either serve as they are or bake for 30 minutes at 150C.

- Frances Grant-Hutton



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 206 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 10, 2000 (13:33) * 20 lines 
 
Roasted Red Pepper Hummus

This recipe is provided by The International Vegetarian
Union, 'Promoting Vegetarianism Worldwide Since 1908.' Find
them at http://www.ivu.org.

1 15-oz can chickpeas
2 large garlic cloves
2/3 cup tahini (sesame seed paste)
1/2 cup lemon juice
1 roasted red pepper, cut in pieces and peeled and seeded
(and don't forget that delicious roasting liquid!)
Salt and black pepper or cayenne to taste
2 tablespoons minced parsley or cilantro

Drain chickpeas and save liquid. Place all ingredients in a
food processor and process until smooth. If mixture is too
thick, add some of the reserved liquid.




 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 207 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, May 11, 2000 (14:30) * 14 lines 
 
Do You Get Enough Boron?

It's hard to know the answer to this question since there
is no established requirement for this mineral. But
research suggests that boron could be an essential dietary
component that is especially important for bones. Some
people consume hardly any boron. But in a recent study
published in the Journal of the American Dietetic
Association, vegetarians had the edge once again. Their
diets were significantly higher in boron than those of meat
eaters. The best sources of boron are peanuts, peanut
butter, and raisins. Legumes and fruits like apples and
grapes are also rich sources.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 208 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, May 12, 2000 (00:12) * 26 lines 
 
EMAZING The Practical Vegetarian - Mexican Beans


Saute 1 medium onion and 1 medium green pepper in 1-2
tablespoons of olive oil. Add a crumbled meat substitute.
Pick one of the following.

1 MorningStar Griller
3 MorningStar Sausage links
2 MorningStar Sausage Patties
3/4 cup beef-flavored TVP

Cook one of the above with the onions and green peppers,
giving the meat substitute time to brown a little. Then
add:

1 can chili hot beans
1 can creamed corn
1 can chopped green chilies

Simmer for five minutes to let the flavors mingle. Serve
with corn tortillas.






 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 209 of 273: hungry spring (sprin5) * Fri, May 12, 2000 (07:03) * 1 lines 
 
Wow, I'm gonna try that one!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 210 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, May 12, 2000 (12:19) * 1 lines 
 
Look tasty, don't they. I'll keep posting the stuff as it appears in my email. Let us know how palatable it is and what you did to improve on it.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 211 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, May 15, 2000 (00:08) * 24 lines 
 
EMAZING The Practical Vegetarian - Folic Acid

The average vegetarian has 25% more folic acid or folate in
her diet than people who eat meat and vegetables, and
vegans have as much as 50% more! This important B vitamin
has been linked to a reduction in heart disease. Now new
research from a Harvard University's Nurses' Health Study
has indicated that it may lower colon cancer risks as well.
The study found that women with an intake of 400 micrograms
of folate per day showed a 30% reduction in colon cancer
when compared to women whose daily folate count was only
200 micrograms. Those who used folate supplements for 15
years or more had a 75% reduction! Green leafy vegetables
are one of the primary sources for folate (think foliage).
We'll list a few other good foods that will help you make
sure you get enough folate in your diet; listed by food,
portion size, and amount of folate in micrograms.

Lentils (1/2 cup, cooked) - 179
Instant oatmeal (1 package) - 150
Pinto beans (1/2 cup, cooked) - 147
Spinach (1/2 cup cooked) - 110
Orange juice (1 cup) - 109



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 212 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May 16, 2000 (00:25) * 16 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - B Vitamins And Migraine Head

B Vitamins And Migraine Headaches
Here's hope for migraine sufferers. Belgian researchers in
a controlled study found that subjects who consumed 400
milligrams of riboflavin a day had a 50 percent reduction
in the frequency of their headaches.
The study treated 55 migraine patients with daily doses of
either riboflavin or a placebo. After three months, 59
percent of those who had the supplement reported a 50
percent reduction in migraine headaches compared to only 15
percent of the subjects in the placebo group. Since there
were few side effects associated with the high riboflavin
doses, the researchers suggested that riboflavin might
offer some hope for migraine sufferers.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 213 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 17, 2000 (20:20) * 10 lines 
 
"He is a heavy eater of beef. Me thinks it doth harm to his
wit." - Shakespeare in "Twelfth Night"

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a
vegetarian diet." - Albert Einstein

"So you are the people tearing down the Brazilian rainforest and breeding cattle." - Prince Philip to McDonald's of Canada
- Douglas Stevenson



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 214 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, May 18, 2000 (00:10) * 15 lines 
 
A costly way to get your organic vittles:

Diamond Organics
Fresh picked organic produce can be delivered directly to
your door through Diamond Organics, at
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delivery guarantees your food arrives fresh only hours
after it has been harvested, not days or weeks. Orders
placed before 11:00 am PST Monday through Thursday are
shipped out that same day. Select one of their convenient
sampler packages or put together your own special order.
All vegetables, greens, and fruits are organically grown in
accordance with the California Organic Foods Act of 1990.
For fastest service call 1-888-ORGANIC (674-2642).



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 215 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, May 19, 2000 (16:57) * 13 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - Lulie's Spaghetti Sauce

Saute one large onion in a little bit of oil. Crumble into
the skillet 1 cup of your favorite sausage substitute. Add
1 quart of home canned whole tomatoes or 2 cans of whole
tomatoes. Simmer, and add seasoning, such as 1 tsp basil, 1
tsp celery seed, 1 tsp Italian herb mixture, or 1 tsp
Worcestershire Sauce. Continue cooking about 15 minutes
stirring occasionally. Add in one sliced zucchini and 6
sliced mushrooms. Cook for another 5 minutes. Serve over
spaghetti or combine cooked spaghetti with the sauce.




 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 216 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, May 22, 2000 (14:36) * 18 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - Fresh Vegetable Salad

Fresh Vegetable Salad

Cut up:

1 zucchini
1 red bell pepper
1 small head of broccoli
1/4 head of cauliflower
1 small Vidalia onion

Season mixture with 1/2 tsp of salt, 1/4 tsp black pepper,
and 2 tablespoons of vinegar. Add 2 tablespoons of
sunflower seeds and 1 teaspoon of sesame seeds. Mix
together in a large bowl. Cover and allow to sit 20 minutes
in the refrigerator to marinate. Serve chilled.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 217 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May 23, 2000 (00:56) * 8 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - Cabbage And Beans

Cut 1/2 head of cabbage into thin strips. Saute this in 1
tablespoon of olive oil in a non-stick skillet, and cook
for 5-7 minutes. Add 1 can of black beans, drained (or
substitute your favorite beans). Add 1 tablespoon of
caraway seeds. Heat and serve.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 218 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 24, 2000 (12:59) * 26 lines 
 
Save The Planet: Become A Vegetarian

Cows not only produce a lot of methane gas which is harmful
to our atmosphere, but they also take a lot of regular,
high-test gas and diesel fuel to raise and bring them to
the American dinner table, especially when compared to soy
beans. Cows require food to be grown, harvested, and
transported to them in the barn or feedlot. Cows are also
less efficient to transport for processing and for
long-term storage than soybeans. It is estimated that
soybeans provide 40 times more protein per barrel of oil
than beef.

Also, 90 percent of the protein in plant foods, as well as
99 percent of the carbohydrates and 100 percent of the
fiber, is wasted by feeding grains to livestock instead of
people. Did you know that animals raised in the United
States consume as much as one-third of the world's annual
grain harvest?

Up to one-half of the antibiotics produced in the United
States are used on cattle, pigs, and chickens. However,
almost 80 percent of all drugs fed to animals are used to
speed up their rate of growth, not to treat disease.




 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 219 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 24, 2000 (13:00) * 1 lines 
 
I can't help but wonder if we replace all of the beef with beans if we will be replacing their methane...?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 220 of 273: hungry spring (sprin5) * Wed, May 24, 2000 (16:36) * 1 lines 
 
Cows also use up a lot more land than soybeans.


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 221 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 24, 2000 (17:05) * 1 lines 
 
I know, and it makes me angry in ways I cannot deal with to think of McDonald's chopping down the rain forest of the Amazon to make more land to graze their hamburger sources. It makes me sick!


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 222 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, May 25, 2000 (00:25) * 14 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - Potato Tofu Pancakes

2 raw, peeled potatoes, grated
1/2 block of tofu, grated or crumbled
1 tablespoon chopped fresh parsley
Optional: 1/2 medium onion, 1 minced clove of garlic

Stir and mix all the ingredients together, then form into
patties. Fry these in a small amount of oil. In a separate
frying pan, saute 1/2 green pepper, 3 mushrooms, 1/2 medium
onion, and a garlic clove. Sprinkle over the top of the
patties as a garnish. Serve with catsup or black pepper.




 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 223 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, May 26, 2000 (00:22) * 27 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - Peach Crisp

This recipe is provided by Duck River Orchards at
http://www.duckriverorchards.com.

Peaches are one of the first fruits of the summer season.
Enjoy this yummy and quick-to-prepare crisp for a special
breakfast treat.

1 cup unsifted flour
1/2 cup sugar
1/2 cup light brown sugar
1/4 tsp nutmeg
1/4 tsp salt
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 cup butter
4 cups sliced peaches
1/2 lemon (the grated rind and juice)
2 tablespoons water

Mix flour, sugars, salt, and spices. Mix in butter with a
fork until mixture is coarse. Put peaches in a 9" shallow
baking pan. Cover with crumb mixture. Pat down the mixture
so it sticks to the fruit. Cover with aluminum foil or a
glass baking lid and bake at 350 degrees until the top is
golden brown.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 224 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, May 26, 2000 (11:42) * 39 lines 
 
Tofu & Walnut Quiche

This is a vegan dish. A vegan diet contains no animal, eggs
or dairy products.

Ingredients:
-3 blocks of tofu (drained & pureed)
-2 large carrots (diced small)
-1/2 cup walnuts (roughly chopped)
-450g broccoli (roughly chopped)
-1 1/2 teaspoons salt
-5 teaspoons cider vinegar
-fresh basil (torn)

Ingredients for the pastry:
-560g pastry flour
-165m sunflower oil
-pinch of salt

Lightly fry the vegetables in a little oil and set aside.
Drain tofu and puree with a mixer or mash by hand until
very smooth. Add salt and vinegar. Now stir the fried
vegetables and walnuts into the tofu. Mix through a few
torn leaves of basil.

For the pastry: Sieve flour and salt. Make a well in the
middle and add oil. Use your fingers like a fork and stir
the oil in. Rub this through your hands lightly until it
feels like damp sand. Add a little water - stir again then
press into a flan tin - there is no need to knead this
mixture.

Fill the flan with the tofu, vegetable and walnut mixture
and bake at 200C/400F or gas mark 6 for 25 - 30 mins.

Serve with tabbouleh (see Monday's recipe) and a fresh
green salad, thinly sliced cucumber and a few whole leaves
of basil.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 225 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May 30, 2000 (13:45) * 36 lines 
 
Tabbouleh

This is a traditional dish from the mountain villages of
Lebanon.

Ingredients:
-310g flat leafed parsley, chopped
-120g burghal (bulgur) cracked wheat
-90g fresh mint, chopped
-salt & coarse ground black pepper
-juice of 2 fresh lemons
-100ml olive oil
-250g spring onions, chopped
-3 large tomatoes, diced

In the West, burghal wheat is sometimes called bulgur
cracked wheat (it is the same).

Method:
-First soak the burghal cracked wheat in cold water for 10
mins.
-While this is soaking, wash the mint and parsley and dry
thoroughly on kitchen paper or on a clean tea cloth. Chop
fairly fine.
-Place the burghal into a fine sieve, press and remove all
excess water, shake it up and place in a bowl. Now add the
salt and pepper to taste and some of the lemon juice and
olive oil. Mix well and leave aside for half an hour to
absorb the dressing until it is tender.
-Just before serving, add the chopped parsley and mint,
then the chopped spring onions.
-Finally, add the balance of the dressing and mix well.
More fresh lemon juice may be added if desired, as this
dish should have a distinctly 'sharp' taste.
-Serve on a flat oval dish and top with the chopped tomatoes.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 226 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, May 30, 2000 (13:47) * 19 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - Southern Corn And Limas

Southern Corn And Limas

This recipe is from: The International Vegetarian Union at
http://www.ivu.org/.

1 can whole kernel sweet corn, drained
1 can lima beans, or butter beans, drained
1/4 cup red bell peppers
2 tablespoons chopped onions
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon chili powder
1/4 teaspoon paprika

Combine ingredients in foil pan, oven proof pan, or other.
You can even make a pan out of aluminum foil if you want.
Grill for about 15 minutes, shaking from time to time.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 227 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Jun  1, 2000 (19:01) * 15 lines 
 
The Salton Soy Milk Maker

Make your own soy milk with this healthy gadget. The Salton
Soy Milk Maker makes up to five cups of soy milk in just 18
minutes. You can use soybeans in most any form: fresh,
canned, frozen, or dried. The unit grinds, filters and
brews in one operation. Soy milk is considered by some to
be a healthy alternative to traditional dairy milk. The
manufacturer is donating $10 to the Breast Cancer Research
Foundation for every unit sold.

The Salton Soy Milk Maker runs on house current. It is
available from GAIAM at (877) 989-6321 or on the web at
http://www.gaiam.com.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 228 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jun  2, 2000 (12:55) * 20 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - The Third World Vegetarian Traveller

More and more people are traveling out of the country for
vacations and business and the vegetarian traveler has
certain guidelines that need to be considered to maintain a
healthy and happy experience. There are foods to be avoided
and in most Third World countries you should not drink the
tap water. Here are some guidelines for what you can safely
eat and drink.

Fruits that can be peeled: bananas (you won't need a
knife), apples, oranges, mangos, pineapple
Pancakes
Oatmeal
Fried or baked potatoes
Squash
Nuts
Drink only bottled water (available almost everywhere now)
or sealed drinks like fruit juice, soda or beer.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 229 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jun  5, 2000 (00:54) * 17 lines 
 
Third World Vegetarian Traveler - Foods To Watch Out For

At Your Own Risk:

Fresh Bakeries (Look to see if they have a fly problem
around their sweets.)
Salads, raw tomatoes (Bacteria or viruses are not killed by
cooking.)
Street Venders (No refrigeration and often problems with
flies.)
Blended drinks, like smoothies (May be prepared with
untreated water)
Drinks with ice (The ice may come from regular tap water.)
Always ask if they use bottled water in their smoothies
("aqua pura en los liquados" if you are in a
Spanish-speaking country). Many restaurants now do.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 230 of 273: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Mon, Jun  5, 2000 (16:33) * 1 lines 
 
Oh dear - I shall die of starvation!!!! *grin*


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 231 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jun  5, 2000 (18:37) * 1 lines 
 
Not thee - you have survived a few trips there. Please critique those suggestions please! Are they useful or ridiculous?


 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 232 of 273: Maggie  (sociolingo) * Tue, Jun  6, 2000 (04:38) * 23 lines 
 
Wellll,

Fresh Bakeries (Look to see if they have a fly problem
around their sweets.)
flies are a problem everywhere. Look for a baker's stall which covers it's bread. Find out when the bread/cakes are delivered and be first there!

Salads, raw tomatoes (Bacteria or viruses are not killed by cooking.)
As soon as you return from market, make up a solution of bleach water - two capfuls of bleach to a bucket of water, soak salad vegetables for 20ins in this solution and rinse thoroughly in fitered water. The vegetables are then safe to eat raw.

Street Venders (No refrigeration and often problems with flies.)
Food that is freshly cooked before your eyes is almost always safe to eat

Blended drinks, like smoothies (May be prepared with untreated water) Drinks with ice (The ice may come from regular tap water.) Always ask if they use bottled water in their smoothies ("aqua pura en los liquados" if you are in a
Spanish-speaking country). Many restaurants now do.
Ice is almost always unsafe in restaurants, despite the temptation DO NOT HAVE IT! Bottled drinks like Coke are a safe bet anywhere

I can probably find a lot more to add here if you want it!!!!








 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 233 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jun  6, 2000 (23:33) * 16 lines 
 
Vegetarian Traveler - Protein Sources

You can find Chinese restaurants in virtually every city in
the world. These are a great source for tofu when you are
far away from home. Occasionally you'll come across Middle
Eastern food, where you can get a garbanzo bean falafel.
Beans and tortillas and rice and beans provide complete
protein and are generally safe since they have been cooked.
Peanut butter is protein in a jar that will not spoil. Many
people find it necessary to add some dairy to their diet in
order to satisfy their protein requirements. Be aware that
in some countries you may need to make sure that the milk,
and especially locally made cheese, has been pasteurized.
Yogurt can help maintain your natural intestinal flora and
is usually pasteurized, so that is safe to eat.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 234 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (16:22) * 18 lines 
 
The Correct Way To Cook Corn On The Cob

Many people boil their ears of corn in a big pot of water,
but not only will this take much more time to prepare, but
also valuable vitamins and nutrients are washed away. Fresh
corn on the cob should be steamed.

Use a wide, large pot that will give you plenty of room to
arrange the ears. Pour about 1/2 cup of water in the pot.
Place a steamer rack inside and arrange the ears so that
they touch each other as little as possible. Any spot where
the ears are touching will take a little longer to cook.
Cover with a lid, bringing the water to a boil.

Steam for no more than 5 minutes. Ears should change color
from light yellow to a darker yellow or from white to
off-white.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 235 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (16:25) * 20 lines 
 
English Cucumbers

These are also called European or hothouse cucumbers.

-English cucumbers are thinner and longer (up to 2 feet)
than the more common varieties. They are available in most
large supermarkets. Look for them packaged in
shrink-wrapped plastic to help preserve their flavor.

-This variety is considered seedless. The flavor is milder.
They are also more digestible than other types.

-Use them as you would any cucumber. In England, they are
used to prepare tea sandwiches. Cucumber slices are also a
classic garnish for salmon.


*There is an Hawaiian version of these cucumbers which were developed by the U of Hawaii Ag research station here.....they are advertised as "burpless" as well as more digestable. They don't need to be peeled.




 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 236 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (19:20) * 37 lines 
 
Pan Fried Bean Curd

Bean curd or tofu is said to have been the meditative food
of the emperors. Bean curd is said to act as "a big sponge"
and cleanses the intestines.

There are no set quantities for this recipe - use each
ingredient according to taste.

You will need:
-a little cooking oil
-a quantity of dried Chinese mushrooms soaked in water
-some fresh ginger root, peeled and shredded
-spring onions
-1 packet of tofu (bean curd) - strain off all liquid
before using
-dark soy sauce
-a little rice wine OR dry sherry
-touch of brown sugar
-salt & black pepper

Method:
Rinse the dried mushrooms lightly and put in a shallow dish
filled with water. Remove stalks and place with the
underside of the mushroom underneath. Heat the oil until
very hot. Throw in the shredded ginger root, spring onions,
and tofu, and keep stirring. Add the brown sugar. Add the
rice wine or dry sherry and salt and black pepper to taste.
Remove from heat. Take the tops off the dried mushrooms
(now soaked) and place all over the pan mixture. Cover at
high heat for 1 minute - the taste will now go into the
bean curd.

Serve with basmati rice with its lovely nutty aroma.
Decorate with spring onions and accompany this with a fresh
salad.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
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Eat Your Vitamins

Although I've discussed vitamins and supplements for
several tips, the first way you should get anything is
through your food. This is hard for many people because it
means you'll have to do some work. Do you know which foods
are high in folate? (Beets are one choice.) Or which are
high-alkaline foods? (Beet greens, dandelion greens,
spinach, and raisins are all high-alkaline foods.) There
are many books on the market that will provide lists of
what foods have which vitamins and minerals. All you need
is one good vitamin book and you're on your way to eating
your supplements, rather than taking them in pill form. You
can do this with your remedies as well. For example, if you
know you need garlic during the cold and flu season, start
eating meals that are high in garlic content. And for some
things, such as fiber, there is little reason to take pills
when you can easily get what you need in your diet.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 238 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (15:38) * 21 lines 
 
Maggie! Would love to know more - that infornation is also useful during disaster conditions anywhere in the world!

Guatemalan Corn On The Cob

When living in the Latin American country of Guatemala, we
learned what foods were safe to eat when away from our home
kitchen. One that was delicious and available from street
venders is roasted corn. It is safe to eat because the
shucks protect the kernels from any exposure to germs, and
after shucking, the corn is placed directly on the heat.
Here's a delicious recipe for roasted corn that will add
some spice to your next barbecue. Tastes great on steamed
corn right out of the pot too.

Remove corn shucks and place the ears over the coals.
Prepare 1/2 cup of salt by mixing in 1/2 tsp chili powder
and 1/2 tsp ground cumin. Slice a lime in half. Dip the
lime in the salt mixture then rub it over the roasted corn,
squeezing the lime juice out and spreading the salt mixture
over the ear. Sabroso! (Flavorful!)



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
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Vidalia Onions

These are known as the word's sweetest onion.

-True Vidalia onions come from an area of southern Georgia.
They were first grown in that region in the 1930's. The
climate and the soil there are believed to give this
variety its unique taste.

-Vidalias are available from May to August. Look for the
special label to make sure you are getting the real thing.

-These onions are prized for their sweet, mild flavor. Many
people believe they are the only type that can truly be
enjoyed raw. Others say they make the best onion rings (and
Bloomin' onions). They can be used in any recipe that calls
for onions.

-If unavailable in your area, they can be ordered from a
Web site at http://www.vidaliasfinest.com.



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 240 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (16:10) * 28 lines 
 
The Practical Vegetarian - Black Bean Salad With Citrus Dressing

Black Bean Salad With Citrus Dressing

This recipe comes from the International Vegetarian Union
at http://www.ivu.org/. (Member "Karen C. Greenlee" -
greenlee@bellsouth.net)

Serving Size: 15

2 cans black beans
1 large can mandarin oranges
1 onion -- chopped
1 green pepper -- chopped
1 red pepper -- chopped
1 large can corn

Dressing:
1/4 cup oil
1/4 cup red wine vinegar
1/3 cup orange juice

Combine beans, oranges, and vegetables in a large bowl.
Combine dressing ingredients, pour over bean mixture, mix
well, and serve. (You can allow the mixture to marinate at
room temperature a little while or overnight in the
refrigerator.)



 Topic 5 of 77 [food]: What about being a vegetarian?
 Response 241 of 273: Autumn   (autumn) * Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (21:16) * 3 lines 
 
What do you do with vidalia onions, Marcia?

Best corn on the cob--shuck and bind 4-5 ears together w/waxed paper and a rubber band. Microwave on HIGH about 5-7 minutes, yum.


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 Response 242 of 273: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (23:52) * 1 l