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Topic 33 of 100: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)

Sat, Dec 13, 1997 (12:24) | Sam Blob (Afor)
Now here's musical greatness just about comparable to America's Bob (Robert Zimmerman, alias Bob Dylan)

Now, what I find disturbing is the distorted international view of Bob Marley as being some kind of Jamaican John Lennon; you know, peace, love, universal harmony and all that crap. Bob was heavily into revolution, blood & fire, almost as much as his compatriot Peter Tosh. Especially with the Jamaican General Elections close at hand, I remember Bob's consistent disrespect toward politicians of all parties and the political system in general; a disrespect shared by many Jamaicans, including myself.

Tell me if you've ever heard a better description of politicians:

"See them sailing on their ego trip,
Blast off on the space ship,
Million miles from reality,
No care for you, no care for me."

- from So Much Trouble In The World by Bob Marley

So, what are your thoughts on the Tuff Gong?
13 responses total.

 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 1 of 13: Sam Blob  (Afor) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (09:42) * 8 lines 
 
Wot, no Bob fans?

"So soon we find out who is
The real revolutionary;
'Cause I don't want my people
To be tricked by mercenaries!"

- From Zimbabwe by Bob Marley


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 2 of 13: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (17:51) * 1 lines 
 
Yep, I'm a Bob Marley fan.


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 3 of 13: Sam Blob  (Afor) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (18:28) * 6 lines 
 
O.K., which albums do you have? What's your favourite Bob song? Which do you think is his best?

Those last two are not necessarily redundant questions. The best Bob Marley & The Wailers album IMO is Survival, while my favourite album by the band is Burnin'

Incidentally, Burnin' was the only album from Island Records to have the band billed as The Wailers instead of Bob Marley & The Wailers. Before they recorded for Island, the band was The Wailers. The first album for Island was Catch A Fire billed as Bob Marley & The Wailers. The others must ahve objected to this (I would think that Peter Tosh would have been most vocal on that subject) and so the second album, Burnin', was billed as being done by The Wailers. Peter Tosh and Bunny
ailer, the last remaining original Wailers apart from Bob, left the group after that album, and they went back to being Bob Marley & the wailers. I think there was a big feud between Chris Blackwell, head of Island Records, and Peter Tosh.


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 4 of 13: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (22:42) * 7 lines 
 
I'm not a Bob Marley expert but I just like reggae and
Bob Marley. Austin is home to two major reggae festivals
each year both dedicated to Bob Marley. These are held
outdoors down on town lake. I've been to a couple and had
a fabulous time. But I'm not much good for details on Bob
Marley.



 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 5 of 13: Sam Blob  (Afor) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (22:25) * 21 lines 
 
O.K., here they are: Bob's international studio albums, all for Island Records:

1. Catch A Fire

2. Burnin'

3. Natty Dread

4. Rastaman Vibrations

5. Exodus

6. Kaya

7. Survival

8. Uprising

9. Confrontation (released posthumously)

The Wailers made a lot of singles and at least one album locally before they were stranded in England and Bob made a deal with Chris Blackwell, four thousand pounds for an album.. The Wailers eventually got eight thousand pounds for Catch A Fire; Blackwell undoubtedly got a lot more...


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 6 of 13: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (23:19) * 1 lines 
 
I'd have to pick number 4 as my favorite.


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 7 of 13: Sam Blob  (Afor) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (23:37) * 4 lines 
 
Good choice. I personally think 6 is better, and I just plain like 2, but Rastaman Vibrations starts up lively but consciously with "Positive Vibrations" and "Roots Rock Reggae", goes on to "Johnny Was", which has a profound effect on me for personal reasons, and goes on to end with "War" and "Rat Race", both truly profound songs.

It was after Rastaman Vibrations that Bob was shot in his home along with his wife and his manager (all survived) and fled Jamaica for two years. During this time he softened considerably and did the albums Exodus and Kaya, both relatively loaded with drivel, both doing very well on the American & European market. These albums are probably the reason why Europe & North America think of Bob as a Jamaican John Lennon; peace & love & all that crap. But he came back to Jamaica and did
Survival, which I believe to be his awakening from the English dream and singing of the struggle once more, with a vengeance!


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 8 of 13: Annette Mercer  (laughingskye) * Fri, May 14, 1999 (07:26) * 1 lines 
 
Sam, a friend was telling me about the incident where Bob was shot in the foot. His cancer surfaced some time afterwards, and, Bob had this theory that the bullet contained some kind of carcenogenic agent. He had evidently felt that the government(s) viewed him as a "dangerous revolutionary", and, were behind that particular shooting incident. What's your opinion on that?


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 9 of 13: Samm Blob  (AlFor) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (16:39) * 1 lines 
 
I had never heard that Bob was shot in the foot. I heard that Bob had injured his foot while playing football (what you call soccer). Apart from the conjecture that the cancer had something to do with this injury, I have never heard of any correlation between injuries and cancer.


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 10 of 13: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  6, 2002 (18:26) * 3 lines 
 
Come back Annette! Sam misses you. So I the rest of us!

I had only heard of cancer, also with regards to Robert Marley. Checking some local email sources I would not be half as well off without...


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 11 of 13: Sam Blob  (AlFor) * Sat, Apr  6, 2002 (12:46) * 14 lines 
 
"Every man got a right to decide his own destiny
And in his judgement there is no partiality,
So arm in arm, with arms, we fight our little struggle
'Cause that's the only way we can overcome this little trouble

"And brother you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're so right,
We go'n' fight, we got to fight, we got to FIGHT, fight for our rights,
Natty jam it in-a Zimbabwe,
Dread it up in-a Zimbabwe,
Africa a-liberate Zimbabwe,
Natty dread a-liberate Zimbabwe..."
- from Zimbabwe by Bob Marley.

Now tell me, are these the words of a pacifist?


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 12 of 13: Sam Blob  (AlFor) * Sat, Apr  6, 2002 (12:47) * 1 lines 
 
I just HATE the fact that posts can't be previewed or edited here!!!


 Topic 33 of 100 [music]: The Honourable Robert Nesta Marley, O.M. (February 6, 1945 - May 11, 1981)
 Response 13 of 13: Sam Blob  (AlFor) * Sat, Apr  6, 2002 (12:56) * 47 lines 
 
"We refuse to be
What you wanted us to be, now,
We are what we are,
That's the way it's goin' to be
If you don't know,
You can't educate I
For no equal opportunity,
Talkin' 'bout my freedom,
People freedom and liberty.

"'Cause we been troddin' on the winepress
Much too long!
Rebel! Rebel!
Say we been troddin' on the winepress
Much too long!
Rebel! Rebel!

"Babylon system is the vampire
Suckin' the children day by day, yea,
Me say di, di babylon system is the vampire, fallen empire,
Suckin' the blood of the sufferer, yea,

"Buildin' church and university, o yea now,
Deceiving the people continually, yea,
Say dem graduatin' t'ief and murderer, look out now,
They suckin' the blood of the sufferer, yea.

"Tell the children the truth,
Tell the children the truth,
Tell the children the truth right now, come on and
Tell the children the truth,
Tell the children the truth,
Tell the children the truth,
Tell the children the truth,come on and
Tell the children the truth.

"'Cause we been troddin' on the winepress
Much too long!
Rebel! Rebel!
An' we been taken for granted
Much too long!
Rebel! Rebel!
Troddin' on the winepress
Rebel! Got to rebel now! Rebel! Got to rebel!
From the very first time out of our father's land
We been trampled on..."
Babylon System by Bob Marley

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