Topic 10 of 96: News from outside the Spring
Mon, Mar 2, 1998 (01:26) |
Paul Terry Walhus (terry)
This is about world, national and local news outside of the Spring.
What news has happened that may affect the Spring or springeurs?
251 responses total.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 1 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Mar 4, 1998 (09:28) * 31 lines
Jack King, noted attorney, is in today's LA Times. He's still waiting
for his subpoena:
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/REPORTS/SCANDAL/STORIES/lat_scandal0303.htm
Get in line, Jack.
If Vernon Jordan is in the batter's box, does that mean that our gal
Monica Lewinsky is in the on deck circle?
And from Sonoma Countian Roger Karraker:
In the same vein, a report from last Friday's "Washington Pissed":
White House Tries to Squash Ken Starr's Penis
Washington, DC - (Feb 27) - According to CNN, the so-called "White
House," apparently tried, early yesterday, to have Ken Starr's grand
jury
penis, or something, so-called "squashed."
According to CNN's source, Ken Starr apparently has 2 penii --
a superior court uber-penis and a grand jury sub-penis, and it
was the sub-penis that the so-called "White House" tried to have
squashed.
----
Full text at http://c3f.com/nty0227.html
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Response 2 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Mar 4, 1998 (14:15) * 1 lines
Couldn't that hurt?
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Response 3 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Mar 23, 1998 (05:54) * 4 lines
Yeltsin fired his entire cabinet. Can you imagine Clinton doing that?
What's up with this?
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Response 4 of 251: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Wed, Apr 1, 1998 (21:48) * 1 lines
I can top that--yesterday he fired himself!
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Response 5 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Apr 1, 1998 (22:33) * 1 lines
How I wish I could do that!!!
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Response 6 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (09:05) * 4 lines
PowerBall lottery:
jackpot has grown exponentially with the 20 states (and D.C.) to a grand total of $195 MILLION!
and ONE person won it all last night.
doh!
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Response 7 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (10:31) * 1 lines
can I just curl up and cry now?
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Response 8 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (13:14) * 4 lines
another kids killing kids school shooting spree
this morning in Oregon, 25 victims and of those
one dead and three super critical
maybe Riette is right about murder being instinctual...
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Response 9 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (23:03) * 10 lines
let's not even hypothesize yet...
as liberal as I tend to lean, I still point toward televison/media/movies glorifying and (at the very least) desensitizing the general populus to such violence.
How many glorified vigilante movies have there been in the past five years?
How many television stations have chosen to replay videos of suicides/standoffs/shootouts?
Our society (HUGE generalization) 'preaches' self-awareness. It maintains an air of distance between one person and another. Communities are becoming obsolete (in the sense they are a group of individuals working toward a similar purpose while looking out for 'their own'). Individuals view themselves more frequently as islands...
the children I teach have very little respect for life
and little to no knowledge concerning cause/effect.
Consequences are remote.
Seems everyone is living in a dream.
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Response 10 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun 3, 1998 (15:32) * 9 lines
Today is backwards day at Knight Academy...
if i were much more intelligent and more right brained than I am (or would this use the left side?) I would post all responses in backwards arabic BUT... since I am really smarter than that and I don't want to humiliate or belittle any of you all, I will simply call you by your wacky wednesday (my kids would impale me for not capitalizing that 'W' after all the points I've taken off their papers for similar mistakes -- ahhhh to be the teacher!) names.
REW
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nmutuA (I had to write that out and then flip it around... sad, sad, sad)
floW
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Response 11 of 251: rew (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun 3, 1998 (15:38) * 1 lines
.em yb yako s'tahT
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Response 12 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun 3, 1998 (16:40) * 3 lines
taht etirw ot uoy ekat ti did gnol woH
shit. I forgot the question mark!
thanks for playing with me REW!
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Response 13 of 251: rew (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun 3, 1998 (16:45) * 3 lines
.emityna uoy htiw yalp ll'I
!emoclew er'uoY
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Response 14 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun 3, 1998 (16:53) * 1 lines
(damn you're really quick with the transciption!)
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Response 15 of 251: rew (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun 3, 1998 (17:06) * 2 lines
.dab oot toN
.sdrow trohs htiw yllaicepsE
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Response 16 of 251: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Wed, Jun 3, 1998 (21:09) * 1 lines
!!LOL
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Response 17 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jun 4, 1998 (15:53) * 21 lines
Here is a story my students wrote yesterday...
The Three Hungry Wolves by 121
One morning three little girls were walking on the beach. They were walking to Grandma's house. Silently three wolves crept up and surrounded the little girls.
"Back Off," they said.
"Why should we listen to you?" the wolves snarled.
The frightened girls sprinted away toward their grandmother's house.
A fox jumped out of a bush and the girls darted to the left.
The wolves and the fox began to chase after the girls.
Darnell, the wolf, jumped of Chris, the fox, and bit him on the back of the neck. The fox whimpered and slipped away toward the girls.
The wolves and the fox continued their pursuit of the little girls. Chris, the fox, soon left the chase in pursuit of a tuna fish sandwich.
At Grandma's house, the wolves stopped and looked around for the little girls who were nowhere to be found.
Grandma came out of the house with pig feet, chitlins and neck bones.
The wolves asked, "Could we please have a bottle of hot sauce?"
Everyone was happy and full except for Chris the fox, who was still searching for tuna fish.
The End
(they wrote that round robin after a series of mini-lessons on characterization, dialogue, setting, plot and action verbs! I am so proud of them!)
*beam*
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Response 18 of 251: Leplep le Plep (jgross5) * Thu, Jun 4, 1998 (20:05) * 21 lines
My favorite word was "darted"
I liked when that happened.
I liked how half way through, names came into the picture (Darnell & Chris)
And since the wolves were boys instead of just wolves, Grandma
treated them real good.
I also liked "crept up" "snarled" "sprinted away" "whimpered" "slipped
away toward"
The dialogue entered into its own element, did its thing.....coool.
Talk about catchin' on, those kids are sharp.
Kids' writings are some of the most inventive in the language.
It makes me giddy thinkin' how fun it could've been to've been
one of them when they were comin' up with their stuff, their contributions.
I bet it was pretty engaging.
I wonder if they did a buncha tryin' to figure out what would work, like
what should go next -- or -- whether they just said stuff, jotted it down,
reworked it a little here a little there and it happened fairly quick.
I always like how a new activity can bring out something in a kid or kids
that no one there really ever noticed about the kid before....and the kid
is going, "hmmm, i like doin' this....it got pretty fun....I'm gonna try
some more of this on my own....and with my brother and maybe at recess
with Kirsten and Najeeb."
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Response 19 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (08:59) * 4 lines
that's the reaction I'm looking for from them.
They actually wrote it as a group (talk about using problem solving skills!) and I jotted it up on the board when they came to a consensus. I wanted them to be able to publish it within the school, so my only rule was... nobody gets eaten!
Thanks for the comments Jim, I'll share them with the boys... their first critque!
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Response 20 of 251: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (22:02) * 2 lines
I liked the food! Are you sure you're still in Colorado, or have you secretly moved to Kentucky??
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Response 21 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jun 5, 1998 (23:25) * 1 lines
Hey, what's that about Kentucky?
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Response 22 of 251: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Sun, Jun 7, 1998 (21:28) * 1 lines
Now calm down, wer, remember I have this thang for you good ol' boys...
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Response 23 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jun 8, 1998 (09:42) * 1 lines
as long as we're clean shaven and ugly...
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Response 24 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Jun 8, 1998 (14:34) * 2 lines
still in CO.
One of my student's favorite meals is pig's EARS! They claim it's soul food and I am none the wiser. We are having a pizza party tomorrow... typical elementary fare regardless of the locale!
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 25 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jun 9, 1998 (08:18) * 1 lines
Happy last day of school, teach!
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Response 26 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Jun 9, 1998 (17:20) * 2 lines
THANK YOU!!!!!
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Response 27 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jul 24, 1998 (11:26) * 59 lines
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ARS ELECTRONICA FESTIVAL 98
INFOWAR. information.macht.krieg
Linz, Austria, september 07 - 12
http://www.aec.at/infowar
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Time Daily - Jul 9, 1998:
Television Banned in Afghanistan
July 9, 1998
The Taliban government outlaws possession of TV sets
Updated: Jul 9 1998
12:32PM
The revolution will not be televised -- at least not in
Afghanistan. The Taliban government today banned TV, and gave Afghans 15
days to get rid of all sets and VCRs. After that, if the organization's
enforcers find one in your house, it will be destroyed and you will be
punished. (And in a country where women are beaten in the street if their
bodies are not covered from head to toe, tuning in for your regular
satellite dose of "Baywatch" may not be worth the pain.) Of course there
hasn't been anything good on Afghan TV for some time -- the Taliban closed
down the country's only TV station in 1996, for fear that the medium would
corrupt society. So if you're looking for the remote in an Afghan
household, you're unlikely to find it in the couch cushions -- try digging
up the back yard. -- Tony Karon
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/daily/0,1237,101980709-taliban,00.html
There are no laws effectively providing for freedom of speech and the
press. Senior officials of various warring factions allegedly attempted to
intimidate reporters and influence their reporting. The few newspapers,
all of which were published only sporadically, were for the most part
affiliated with different factions. The various factions maintain their
own communications facilities. The Taliban took over the pro-Rabbani radio
service in Kabul and renamed it the Voice of Shariat. The Taliban banned
television on religious grounds. All factions have attempted to pressure
foreign journalists reporting on the Afghan conflict. The Taliban
initially cooperated with the international press who arrived in Kabul but
later imposed restrictions upon them. On September 29, journalists
accompanying European Union Commissioner Emma Bonino, and the Commissioner
herself, were detained for 3 hours in Kabul after they entered a hospital
for women and began filming in violation of the Taliban rule against
photographing living things. The television crews agreed to turn over
their cassettes to the Taliban authorities. A Taliban official later
expressed apologies for the arrest. The Taliban reportedly require most
journalists to stay at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul (allegedly for
security and economic reasons). Journalists also reported that the
Taliban attempted to control who could act as drivers and interpreters for
journalists. Music, movies, and television continue to be prohibited by
the Taliban. Television functioned sporadically in Mazar-i-Sharif.
http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/1997_hrp_report/afghanis.html
Tjebbe van Tijen
Imaginary Museum Projects, Amsterdam
tijen@inter.nl.net
----- End of forwarded message from Tjebbe van Tijen -----
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 28 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Aug 17, 1998 (21:25) * 14 lines
ok, how many people watched our President's speech? i don't really know what to
think. if he lied (at any point) can this really be left in his personal life?
can we continue to "trust" in his decisions that affect every one of us? i agree
that it should have been left in his privacy, but when brought out to the public
he should have come right out then and there and straightened it all out. but
i also agree with his statement that we should move on. i'm not trying to put
down my president (as my commander in chief) just trying to understand the fabric
of the man who is. i am glad he took responsibility (even rather late in the game). the only thing that i think may have held him back in the beginning was
fear and the thought (hope) that monica wouldn't have continued to pursue the matter. but we have all made mistakes in our lives. let's hope he doesn't lie to
the country and send our men and women in the military into a sad situation. (probably
am just displaying my ignorance)
so now what's going to happen to the Miss Teen USA that was to be broadcast out
of our Hirsch Coliseum tonight? Huh???
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Response 29 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (03:48) * 1 lines
So, what did he say in his speech? Was it one of those dreadfully emotional, kitchy speeches of his? I mean the man is clever, and probably a good president all in all, I just wish he wouldn't be so damned KITCHY!!!
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Response 30 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (08:22) * 3 lines
no. he said he acted inappropriately which was his fault and he wants to patch
things up with his wife, daughter, and God. it lasted 4 minutes with two hour
commentary by the press. he is clever with his words.
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Response 31 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (10:39) * 13 lines
It was a mix of humility and outrage. He copped to the affair but he
blasted Ken Starr's $40 million 4 year investigation. He tried to wrap
it up and bring closure but fell short by firing this shot. The
country's tired of it. The worst outcome might be the best, impeachment,
then Gore gets a headstart on 2000 as a sitting President. As someone
who likes Gore a lot more than Clinton, this might not be so awful. And
Gore wouldn't be so impaired and such a lame duck. So I say, let the
Republicans muck up things by impeaching Clinton, and thereby insure
themselves of another 10 years of Democratic Presidential government.
Clinton headed out on vacation. Starr isn't done, he's talking to
spin-master, Clinton outcast what's his name today. And he may not be
through with Clinton or Lewinsky.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 32 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (11:57) * 1 lines
i heard someone say that we probably don't want Gore either. you think hilary will run in 2000?
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Response 33 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (13:22) * 1 lines
Ogh, they're such a ghastly family!!
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Response 34 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (16:51) * 1 lines
Maybe as Gore's VP.
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Response 35 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (01:29) * 3 lines
I'll laugh myself to bits everytime I see a speech on TV, by America's President Pete (or Andrew, or Phillip) GORE. Let's just hope they don't assassinate him at any point, because then he will live up to his name gloriously. BLOOD covered President GORE this morning as his BRAINS were shot out this morning.....!!!
ha-ha!!!!
forgive my sense of humour
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 36 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (07:40) * 4 lines
He's the VP, and it's Al Gore, Rush Limbaugh derisively refers to him as
algor as in some monster movie. He wrote a story about our Farm in
Tennessee when he was a reporter in Nashville and my friend Al Bates does
environmental research for him.
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Response 37 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (08:32) * 5 lines
HA-HA!!!!!!
President ALL GORE!!!
Are you always serious?
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Response 38 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (10:14) * 2 lines
Sometimes. I like gore.
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Response 39 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (10:40) * 2 lines
Suppose the novelty's worn off for me - what with all the nappies and other gore I deal with every day!
But if Gore is important to you, I hope he becomes the next president.
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Response 40 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (11:06) * 2 lines
He could, if he can overcome the Bush challenge (our Texas gov). Clinton
resigning now would give him a big head start.
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Response 41 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (13:19) * 1 lines
Don't you just wish Clinton WOULD resign?
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Response 42 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (13:27) * 1 lines
Yes, not because I don't like Clinton but because I like Gore.
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Response 43 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (15:45) * 1 lines
I don't like Clinton - not because he seems a bad president, but because he's such a SNAIL! Leaves a whitish, slimy, squidgy, slippery track every time he looks at a woman. I mean, hasn't the guy go ANY control down there? Is he addicted to Viagra?
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Response 44 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (19:48) * 3 lines
don't think he needs it. it's not so much the fact that he "behaved inappropriately" that bothers me, it's the fact that he lied about it. and then he wears
her tie the day she testified. yes, he was wrong in his behavior. but now who
will believe anything he says?
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Response 45 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (22:16) * 1 lines
I never did. He is, after all, the President...
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Response 46 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (01:28) * 1 lines
I guess calling him pri¢k to his face would be taken as a huge compliment?! ha-ha! No, Wolf, I agree. I can handle a pervert, but not a goddamned liar.
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Response 47 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (09:43) * 2 lines
Any comments on the rebel base bombings?
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Response 48 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (13:23) * 1 lines
Politically I guess it's a good move basically. I just get bloody fed up with the way innocent people have to die for quarrels between a bunch of craphead egotists. I mean, if that fanatic ar$ehole was pi$$ed off with Bill, why did he not bomb BILL? And then if America was pi$$ed off at him for bombing Bill, then Gore could become new president, and bomb the damned fanatic! I think it's easy to bomb people if it's not YOU or YOUR family dying.
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Response 49 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (18:35) * 1 lines
i think it just happened at a strange time.
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Response 50 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (19:03) * 7 lines
So you're with the 25% or so that say he's waggin' the dog, wolfie?
The Russians were mad because the US didn't tell them, nor did they
notify the country next door 5 miles away.
Question is, what will be the counter reprisals now? Batten down your
hatches.
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Response 51 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Sat, Aug 22, 1998 (11:20) * 4 lines
they'll probably just continue doing what they've always done. i don't think
(as in wag the dog) that this is all made up. but just makes one wonder. the only
thing is that now that this precedence has been set, this country is obligated
to continue meeting terroristic actions in the same way.
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Response 52 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Aug 22, 1998 (13:34) * 1 lines
I isn't made up, it just came at a bloody convenient time for Bill.
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Response 53 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Aug 22, 1998 (19:37) * 11 lines
That country was Pakistan. And Yeltsin's on a rant about it.
It's terrifying to think about how far we've come without a major
chemical, biological or terrorist attack. These weren't really major
acts of terrorism in comparison to what's possible. It's a very tough
issue for the world, to be up against such a hard to define and pin down
enemy with the ability to change its base of operations and not be tied
down to a specific country, it a sense, it's a virtual enemy with ability
to organize acroos boundaries.
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Response 54 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Sun, Aug 23, 1998 (08:19) * 1 lines
Yeltsin on a rant? No way! He's way too senile and chronically drunk - if he's on a rant, it'll be over the price of Vodka, not Pakistan. God, he's an old fart!
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Response 55 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Aug 24, 1998 (10:19) * 1 lines
OK not rant, perfuncatory West bashing.
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Response 56 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Aug 24, 1998 (15:45) * 3 lines
HA-HA!!!!
How are you Terry? HAve you been to the movies again with that fabulous friend of yours?
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Response 57 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Aug 24, 1998 (16:44) * 2 lines
Not this last weekend. I was a homebody.
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Response 58 of 251: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Aug 25, 1998 (01:10) * 1 lines
Fondling your complicated tool(s), no doubt.
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Response 59 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (03:58) * 3 lines
Kristen, my room mate, just told me that a Swiss Air plane went down,
she's freaked because she knows a bunch of folks that work for Swiss Air.
She's shaking.
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Response 60 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (08:05) * 1 lines
let's keep them in our prayers *hugs* for your roomy.
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Response 61 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (08:40) * 60 lines
Swissair Jet Crashes Off Nova Scotia
By DAVE HOWLAND
.c The Associated Press
PEGGY'S COVE, Nova Scotia (Sept. 3) - Dozens of fishing boats and coast guard ships searching through choppy seas today found only bodies and debris from a Swissair jetliner that crashed off Nova Scotia, killing all 229 people aboard.
Swissair said there were no survivors from Flight 111 from New York to Geneva, which plunged into the ocean Wednesday night after its pilot reported smoke in the cockpit and attempted an emergency landing at Halifax International Airport.
''About 30 miles south of the airport, the aircraft disappeared from radar screens,'' said airline spokeswoman Beatrice Tschanz in Zurich, Switzerland.
At dawn, rescuers had recovered 18 bodies from the turbulent waters a few miles off Peggys Cove, a small fishing village and tourist retreat.
Philippe Bruggisser, the airline's chief executive officer, told reporters in Zurich the flight headed out over the Atlantic without incident but within minutes, the Swiss pilot and co-pilot decided to turn back after reporting problems on the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 plane.
The passengers were thought to be mostly Swiss, Tschanz said. It was not immediately known how many Americans were on board, but one crew member was an American from Swissair partner Delta, Tschanz said.
In Atlanta, Delta spokesman Bill Berry said 53 Delta passengers were on the flight.
Dr. Jonathan Mann, dean of the Harvard School of Public Health and a pioneer in the fight against AIDS, was among the dead, along with his wife, according to Dr. Peter Piot of the U.N. World Health Organization.
U.N. officials returning to headquarters in Geneva also were believed to be on board.
The White House said terorrism likely was not a factor in the crash. President Clinton, who was visiting Northern Ireland today, was being regularly briefed on the crash.
The plane left New York's Kennedy International Airport at 8:17 p.m. with 215 passengers - including two infants - and 14 crew, said Philippe Roy, a Geneva airport spokesman.
Before the plane went down slightly more than an hour later, residents said they heard loud sputtering noises from an aircraft passing overhead and then a thundering crash. Dozens of ambulances were dispatched to the scene.
''The motors were still going, but it was the worst-sounding deep groan that I've ever heard,'' said witness Claudia Zinck-Gilroy.
Searchlights from coast guard cutters, fishing boats, helicopters and planes illuminated the area, said witnesses, who reported seeing an oil slick, life preservers and other debris from the downed aircraft spread over a wide area of ocean.
''It's real ugly,'' said Craig Sanford, operator of a whale-watching boat that was one of the first vessels on the scene. ''You see Styrofoam floating, chunks of wood, panels, the odd body here and there. It's not a nice scene.''
The three-engine plane dumped tons of fuel over nearby St. Margaret's Bay before crashing, The Canadian Press quoted an airport worker as saying.
Debris from the aircraft was found off Clam Island and other islets between Peggys Cove and Blandford, 20 miles southwest of Halifax.
Lt. Cmdr. Mike Considine of the Search and Rescue Center in Halifax said rescue crews were searching for the aircraft seven miles off Peggys Cove. Local fishermen were called to the area because they are familiar with the waters.
There were four rescue planes and four helicopters, as well as a Canadian navy ship, said Canadian navy spokeswoman Tracy Simoneau.
She said civilian rescuers were at the scene within minutes of the crash.
At the airports in New York and Geneva, grief counselors were on hand for relatives of the crash victims. A special lounge was set up in the Delta Air Lines terminal at Kennedy Airport.
Rabbi Mendel Pevzner said more than 100 relatives and friends had gathered at the Geneva airport. Kennedy officials reported only a handful of relatives had shown up there.
The National Transportation Safety Board in Washington sent a team of 10 people to Canada this morning.
It was the first crash of a Swissair plane since Oct. 7, 1979, when one of its DC-8s overshot the runway in Athens, Greece, while attempting to land and burst into flames. Fourteen people were killed.
The plane was put into service in August 1991 and was overhauled in August and September last year, said Georges Schorderet, the chief financial officer of parent company SAirGroup. It had been checked as all are before takeoff, he added.
''This airplane was in perfect working order,'' Schorderet said.
The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 is a jet known for its reliability, even though its manufacturer, Boeing, has announced plans to discontinue the model in the year 2000.
''Both the aircraft and the airline have extremely good safety records, among the very best in the industry,'' Daly said.
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Response 62 of 251: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Tue, Sep 8, 1998 (20:36) * 11 lines
McGwire DID IT!!! 62 HOMERS!!!!
i almost cried as i watched it. what an awesome acheivement, and he
was so happy in front of the crowd, soaking it all up.
he was so excited that he almost forgot to tag 1st base on his way
around the bases, and the first base coach had to tell him to
tag up.
history made tonight!
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Response 63 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Sep 8, 1998 (23:43) * 15 lines
I did cry, being a lifelong Cardinal fan and one who listened to Jack
Buck, Harry Caray and Joe Garagiola broadcast Cardinals games as a kid.
The way he tossed his kind in the air. And all the hugs and body
language, what a night. What a night! So many great moments. And at the
end he even turned and thanked his "great ex-wife"; you just don't get
this every day!
He slapped it hard. A line drive that went in to a no fan's area. The
shortest home run he hit all season.
And he gave all the Maris' kids big hugs and expressions of thanks.
The big guys got it great.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 64 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (09:47) * 59 lines
As if we didn't already know...
From: mrteegeack@aol.com (MrTeegeack)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: SFChronicle 1951,APRIL 24 - Hubbard Insane
Date: 15 Nov 1998 16:39:56 GMT
The San Francisco Chronicle
April 24, 1951 - A-8:3
Ron Hubbard Insane, Says His Wife
LOS ANGELES, April 23 (UP)---
The wife of L.Ron Hubbard, 40, founder of the Dianetics Mental Health
Movement,
filed suit for divorce today, charging he is suffering from a mental
ailment.
Mrs. Sara Northrup Hubbard, 25, said "competent medical advisers" had
examined
her 40-year-old husband and concluded he was "hopelessly insane" and
should be
placed in a private sanitarium for "psychiatric observation."
She said doctors told her her husband was suffering from a mental ailment
"known as paranoid schizophrenia."
Mrs. Hubbard also charged he subjected her to "systematic torture" by
beating
and strangling her and denying her sleep.
Her suit said Hubbard once told her he didn`t want to be married and
suggested
that if she really loved him, she would kill herself because a divorce
would
"hurt his reputation."
Mrs. Hubbard described her husband`s dianetics research foundation as his
"alter ego" and said the institution did more than $1,000,000 business
last
year.
When informed of the doctors` recommendation that he be placed in a
mental
institution, Hubbard took their 13-month-old daughter, Alexis, from Mrs.
Hubbard`s apartment and went into hiding, the suit charged.
The wife also said Hubbard told her he was unmarried when they were wed
Aug.
10, 1946, at Chestertown, Md., but it was not until December, 1947, that
he
divorced a former wife, Mrs. Margaret Grubb Hubbard, at Port Orchard,
Wash.
Mrs. Hubbard asked $500,000 damages to compensate for the loss of "the
golden
years of a woman`s life" and an annulment of their marriage if the court
finds
she never was legally marriedto the dianetics founder.
Mr. Teegeeack
More Information:
www.xenu.net
www.factnet.org
www.lermanet.com
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Response 65 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (12:46) * 1 lines
she got tired of scientology, eh?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 66 of 251: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (21:26) * 1 lines
Or she got tired of lies. WAIT A MINUTE!! If they were married in 1946, how canshe be 25 yrs old? 1946 would be 27yrs before she was born. I've heard of robbing the cradle, but this is ridiculous!
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Response 67 of 251: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (16:05) * 1 lines
Well, all I can say is Chestertown's a darn charming little town. I'm sure it was a nice setting for a wedding, even a bigamist's...
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Response 68 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Feb 7, 2036 (02:02) * 32 lines
Teletubbies under attack from Jerry Falwell.
From luddite@PRAIRIENET.ORG Thu Feb 11 00:46:43 1999
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:26:50 -0600
From: "Margaret M. Sheehan"
To: STORYTELL@VENUS.TWU.EDU
Subject: The Tinky-Winky Defense
I don't know about the rest of you, but I was shocked, shocked I say,
when
I heard of Jerry Falwell's vicious and unwarranted attack on Tinky-Winky.
Just because Tinky-Winky carries a purse, is that any reason to accuse
him
of un-natural acts? He has no genitalia, any act would be un-natural!
And with whom would he be un-natural? There are only three other
Teletubbies and a bunch of rabbits and none of them have had these
scurrilous accusations thrown at them. And do we really have any notion
of just what kind of act would be natural in Teletubbyland? Until we can
find a telesociologist, we will never know.
We, as storytellers, must take a stand. We must support the right of any
fictional character to accessorize at will. We can not allow others to
define the sexual orientation of fictional characters (or non-fictional
characters) based solely on inaccurate perceptions. This cuts to the
heart of storytelling and our ability to tell freely. Make no mistake,
this is a pocketbook issue.
I say we should all accessorize in support of Tinky-Winky.
Margaret in Illinois
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 69 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 11, 1999 (18:12) * 1 lines
can't wait till Ree reads this...
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 70 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Feb 11, 1999 (19:58) * 1 lines
i fell out of my chair when i heard that. who in the hell cares? we certainly can't tell what sex it is in the first place.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 71 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 11, 1999 (21:50) * 1 lines
can we on closer inspection?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 72 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (08:35) * 1 lines
well, i'll just leave that up to you to take care of seeing as how you know more about them than i do! *grin*
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Response 73 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (11:57) * 3 lines
Senate Acquits Bill Clinton
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States Senate has acquitted President Clinton on charges of perjury before a federal grand jury and obstruction of justice, assuring that he will not be removed from office. The first article drew a not guilty vote of 55-45. The second was split 50-50. Both charges would have required 67 votes for conviction, a threshold that senators have known for weeks would not be met.
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Response 74 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (12:36) * 1 lines
Frankly, I'm more interested in the tanker off Coos Bay
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 75 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (14:48) * 1 lines
what's happening there?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 76 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (17:58) * 6 lines
set a tanker on fire beacuse it was washed ashore and leaking oil.
a storm was brewing and if they'd left it alone, they felt the oil spill couldn't be contained/stopped.
so... before it could break open and spill it's load... they set it afire.
They tried twice actually. Bringing the special forces of the Navy to finally oss their pyrotechnic weight around.
It's burning now... they don't know how long it will continue
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 77 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (20:24) * 1 lines
oh! so instead of polluting the water, they're stanking up the air? real good idea.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 78 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Feb 18, 1999 (17:31) * 4 lines
yep.
lesser of two evils I suppose
A sad situation either way.
At least thousands of shore birds didn't have to die a slow and suffocating oil slick death...
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Response 79 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Apr 20, 1999 (16:15) * 65 lines
And here's my fair city...
Bad shit.
Really bad shit.
Students flee scene of
Colorado shooting
Three detained in school
shooting
April 20, 1999
Web posted at: 3:54 p.m. EDT (1954 GMT)
LITTLETON, Colorado (CNN) --
Three men have been detained at
Columbine High School in Littleton,
Colorado, where gunmen earlier
opened fire and wounded at least 14
people. Unconfirmed reports say the
men are friends of the suspects.
Witnesses said at least two gunmen in
black trench coats and masks
opened fire and tossed an explosive
device Tuesday at the high school
southwest of Denver.
At least 14 people have been taken
to hospitals with gunshot wounds,
local television reported. One female
student was shot nine times in the chest, another female student was shot
once in the chest and a male student was shot once in the back.
Nearly two hours after the 11:30 a.m. MDT (1:30 p.m. EDT) shooting,
SWAT team members entered the building and 15 to 20 students fled.
There was no confirmation that the gunmen were still inside, but police said
some students had been hiding in a choir room.
SWAT team members are among the 100 to 200 law enforcement officers
at the scene.
A student named James who called a local TV station said he was locked
inside a classroom and he could hear a lot of crying and screaming out in the
hallway, along with shouted threats.
A girl identified only as Janine told KCNC-TV she saw men in black trench
coats open fire.
"We saw three people get shot," she said. "They were just shooting. They
didn't care who they shot. They were just shooting."
Other witnesses said the gunmen were students, part of a group of outcasts.
Student Jonathon Ladd said he was leaving a technology laboratory when he
saw students running and heard shots ricocheting off lockers.
He said he ran to a nearby park to escape the gunfire.
Columbine High is in the middle-class suburb of Littleton, population
35,000. It opened in 1973 and has an enrollment of about 1,800.
I work about 4 miles away from the school
Many of the employees have children there.
Bad shit.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 80 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 20, 1999 (20:06) * 2 lines
this is what I came to on the news...
how are you doing, Stace?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 81 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Apr 21, 1999 (11:10) * 5 lines
pretty yuck.
Brandon flew home early last night, thanking his lucky stars all the way that I was no longer teaching.
Makes me never want to have children
Lotsa tears round here
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Response 82 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Apr 21, 1999 (18:37) * 225 lines
LITTLETON, Colorado (CNN) --
After word from the bomb squad that
a suburban Denver high school was
safe, investigators entered the building
on Wednesday to collect evidence
and photograph the scene of the
rampage that left 15 people dead,
including two teen-age suspects.
Agonized parents braced for the
worst as bodies remained inside
Columbine High School while police
scoured the building for potential
bombs and booby traps in the
aftermath of Tuesday's terror.
"The investigation is under way,"
Deputy Steve Davis of the Jefferson
County Sheriff's Department said at
midday on Wednesday. "The bomb
team has assured them the building is
safe at this point. We don't feel there
are any other devices we have to
worry about in the building."
Davis said 11 males and four females
were killed. One of the males was an
adult, "probably" a faculty member, he
said. More than 20 people were
wounded, some of them critically.
While some of the fatalities and
injuries came from gunfire, others
were the result of explosions, Davis
said.
"It was a combination of both," he
told CNN. "We had victims ... that
had wounds consistent with shrapnel
and consistent with gunshot(s). There
were numerous bombs detonated in
this school ... during this assault."
About 30 explosive
devices
Earlier on Wednesday, authorities
reported finding about 30 explosive
devices, including "quite a few" inside
the school.
Authorities identified Eric Harris, 18,
and Dylan Klebold, 17, both juniors
at Columbine, as the two gunmen wearing black trench coats who laughed
and hooted as they opened fire on classmates with "long rifles and handguns"
and set off explosions before killing themselves.
In addition to unexploded bombs found inside the school, other explosive
devices were located in the suspects' cars and bomb-making material was
found at Harris' home, police said.
Some of the explosives were on timers, Davis said. The bombs were "easily
made and most of the components can be purchased at any hardware
store," he said, without identifying the materials.
Davis said a computer was seized from the home of one suspect, but did not
know if the suspects used the Internet to obtain bomb-making instructions.
'It looks like a war zone'
Identifying the victims and removing
the bodies could take time, said Sgt.
George Hinkle, a police SWAT team
officer from Lakewood, Colorado,
who has been inside the school. "A lot
of them aren't carrying ID."
"We want to make sure the scene is
fully preserved for court purposes, in
case it turns out there are other
suspects and court cases that may
occur later down the road," said
Hinkle. "Everything has to be
photographed, diagrammed and the
identities established before people
are moved."
He said there were at least "five or
six" explosions inside the school, while
fire sprinklers set off by the blasts left
heavy water damage. "We've got all
the debris that goes with a scene like
this. We've got backpacks all over.
We've got shoes (and) spent shell
casings. It just looks like a war zone,"
Hinkle said.
'We could hear people
pleading for their lives'
Students streamed into Clement Park
next to the school on Wednesday
morning to leave flowers and share
their feelings about the shootings.
"This was out of the blue. Nobody
expected it," student Katie Crena told
CNN.
She and some of her fellow students locked themselves into a classroom
after the violence began. "I thought, 'This is it, I'm going to die,'" Crena said.
"I mean they were so close. They shot the window of the classroom next
door. They tried to get... into our classroom. They were playing with the
handle and then went on. We could hear people pleading for their lives," she
said.
Clinton to parents: 'Shield children from violent
images'
At the White House, President Clinton praised the quick thinking of police
and the courage of students and teachers who rushed to protect each other.
Clinton also said children all over America need to be reassured of their
safety. "We also have to take this moment once again to hammer home to all
the children of America that violence is wrong," the president said
Wednesday.
"And parents should take this moment to ask what else they can do to shield
our children from violent images and experiences that warp young
perceptions and obscure the consequences of violence -- to show our
children by the power of our own example how to resolve conflicts
peacefully."
Attorney General Janet Reno said she may
push to have more counselors in the
nation's schools to avoid problems before
they start.
The country must "make investments in
counselors and support systems that can
help us identify children who are on the
verge of terror and help take steps to
alleviate the problem before it produces
tragedy such as this," she told CNN from
Minneapolis.
Death toll lowered
The attack began when Harris and Klebold, wearing fatigues and
ankle-length black coats, opened fire in the school parking lot around 11:30
a.m. Tuesday before entering the school cafeteria.
Police said they exchanged shots with officers and were later found dead in
the school library with self-inflicted gunshot wounds and bombs around their
bodies. "It appears to be a suicide mission," Jefferson County Sheriff John
Stone said.
No suicide note has been found, authorities said.
Davis said he did not know how the
heavily armed pair obtained their
weapons. It must have taken "quite a
bit of planning to carry that much
equipment and ammunition (into the
school)," he said.
He said Harris and Klebold were the
only suspects, so far. "If, later, our
investigation shows that other people
were involved in either the planning or
the execution of this incident, then certainly we would charge them."
After the four-hour siege ended, police originally said that as many as 25
people may have been killed. By Wednesday morning they revised the
estimated death toll downward to 15.
Four people who knew the suspects, some of them former students, were
questioned in the case and released, police said.
'We're going to kill every one of you'
Many stunned students, parents and residents of Littleton, an affluent Denver
suburb, attended a memorial service Tuesday night, and school officials were
arranging crisis counseling for teens struggling to cope with the massacre, the
most recent of several school shootings nationwide.
While police have not given a motive, several students said Harris and
Klebold were members of a group calling itself the "Trenchcoat Mafia,"
outcasts who bragged about guns and bombs and hated blacks and
Hispanics, as well as student athletes.
With the exception of one
African-American, all of
the fatalities were white,
Davis said.
Students said the
"Trenchcoat Mafia" was
fascinated with World
War II and the Nazis and
noted that Tuesday was
Adolf Hitler's birthday.
Members of the group
don't talk much to other
students and "give people
dirty looks," student Josh
Nielsen told CNN.
The attackers marched into the library of Columbine High School with guns
and pipe bombs, demanding that "all jocks stand up. We're going to kill
every one of you," said student Aaron Cohn.
A gunman looked under a desk in the library and said "Peek-a-boo," then
fired, Cohn said. Anyone who cried or moaned was shot again. One girl
begged for her life, but a gunshot ended her cries, the student said.
Cohn said one killer put a pistol to his head but did not shoot him. Instead,
he said, the shooter turned his attention to a black student, saying, "I hate
niggers." Cohn heard three shots but couldn't see what happened.
"You could hear them laughing and running upstairs," said one student, who
broke down in tears as she recounted the killing spree. "They didn't care
who it was and it was all at close range." .
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Response 83 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Apr 21, 1999 (18:57) * 2 lines
i am so sorry stacey. i really and truly pray none of them were your students. people try to blame guns for this but that's not the case. they have a warped sense of perception (obviously) and..... what can i say? parents need to know what in the hell is going on with their kids. parents cannot be afraid of them. let them threaten what they will, parents need to be the ones in control. please don't take offense. i know that sometimes things happen and the parents really have no idea and have done everyt
ing they know to do. i hate to think that my babies can't even go to school without feeling threatened! and i'm doing my best to raise them to understand the value of things...of life....of respect for others....of love.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 84 of 251: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (00:39) * 1 lines
I hear that story and think, those kids were somebody's babies just a few years ago...what went wrong? It makes me so glad I decided to homeschool the girls next year.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 85 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Apr 28, 1999 (20:05) * 4 lines
ok, not to panic anyone or anything, but i just saw the strangest thing in the sky.
1950, 28 Apr 99, clear sky, 4 white cylinder looking crafts moved slowly across the sky heading north (coming from the south). they looked like aircraft bodies without wings. my neighbor and i were outside when they flew by. they were moving slowly and i didn't see any wings nor hear any sound. so what in the hell were they? i'm on cnn right now and nothing (you know how they know everything). these things were going the same direction. i've never seen aircraft passively flying by like that before. soon
fter, i did see a regular aircraft fly by at approximately the same height and left an airtrail and wings could be seen. got any ideas?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 86 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (00:41) * 2 lines
got tons of ideas, wolf...
am seriously lacking in good answers, however!
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 87 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (08:47) * 1 lines
well, i think it belongs in the paranormal conference under ufo's. copying it over now. until i find out what it was, it's a ufo, right? unidentified flying object.......
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 88 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (14:17) * 1 lines
that's my understanding as well...
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 89 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (17:29) * 1 lines
ooooooh!
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 90 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Sun, May 2, 1999 (10:09) * 1 lines
our boys are in ramstein air base, germany!!!! woohoo!!! (the pow's from kosovo)
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 91 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, May 2, 1999 (11:52) * 1 lines
Wonder if any of them will pick up a copy of SUPERSTAR?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 92 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Sun, May 2, 1999 (13:58) * 1 lines
think that's the last thing on their mind *grin* but they're superstars now, for sure!!
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 93 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Mon, May 3, 1999 (10:08) * 1 lines
You guys tell them. All big (civillian) airports, all trainstations. If they buy it, our circulation will triple!
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 94 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, May 24, 1999 (11:44) * 20 lines
ADELAIDE, AUSTRALIA - AP World News via NewsEdge Corporation : Police broke into an abandoned bank vault in a sleepy country town Friday to find the decomposing bodies of at least two, and perhaps up to six murder victims.
The human remains found at Snowtown, north of Adelaide, were in six large plastic barrels, possibly containing a corrosive liquid.
Police who made the gruesome discovery in the old State Bank building on Snowtown's main street said exhaustive forensic tests would be needed to determine exactly how many bodies there were.
Robert Joe Wagner, 27; John Justin Bunting, 32; and Mark Ray Haydon, 40, appeared in court in Adelaide on Friday charged with murder.
Detective Superintendent Paul Schramm of the Major Crime Investigation Branch described the discovery as ``bizarre'' and said it was possible there were more than two bodies at the site.
``There were six containers ... there were remains in all six of the containers but I again reiterate that does not mean to say that there were six bodies.
``Let's wait and see what the scientists say.''
No positive identification had been made but it was believed male and female bodies had been found.
More than 50 police swooped on tiny Snowtown, population 500, following a yearlong investigation into outstanding missing persons files.
[Copyright 1999, Associated Press]
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 95 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, May 24, 1999 (14:20) * 1 lines
gahrosse!!! what tipped them off? i mean, to investigate an abandoned bank vault?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 96 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, May 24, 1999 (15:37) * 1 lines
yucko!
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 97 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, May 25, 1999 (09:43) * 1 lines
Maybe somebody claimed a, huh, deposit?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 98 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, May 26, 1999 (08:18) * 1 lines
they could have been subjected to early withdrawal penalties...
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 99 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, May 26, 1999 (12:45) * 16 lines
COCOA BEACH, FLA. - The Associated Press via NewsEdge Corporation : A top Russian space official found semiconscious on a beach was arrested after attacking two emergency medical workers, authorities said.
Vladimir Lobachev, 61, of Moscow, was released from jail Monday after posting $1,000 bond on two charges of battery.
Lobachev is in Florida as a visiting dignitary for Thursday's launch of the space shuttle Discovery, a NASA official said. He is director of the Russian space program's Mission Control Center in Korolev, a suburb of Moscow.
According to an arrest report, police arrived at the Cocoa Beach pier Sunday to find Lobachev _ semiconscious, face down in the sand, and wearing boxer shorts.
He was transported to Cape Canaveral Hospital. But as he was being removed from the ambulance, he roused himself and became combative, police said.
Neither medical worker was seriously hurt, said Orlando Domingez, spokesman for the Fire Rescue agency.
The arrest report said that alcohol may have been a factor.
[Copyright 1999, Associated Press]
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Response 100 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, May 26, 1999 (12:46) * 2 lines
oh my
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 101 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sat, May 29, 1999 (05:07) * 3 lines
Those Russians! These people do things right - when y'alls boys were coming down soft on water, they seriously hit the turf! Straight drop orbit to soil! And they work on getting this giant swimming launch pad together, supposedly because some functionaries don't fancy Baikonur weather anymore.
Plus they seem to know how to party REAL hard.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 102 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, May 30, 1999 (13:11) * 1 lines
which is almost always a plus
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Response 103 of 251: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jun 1, 1999 (12:23) * 14 lines
LENA, MISS. - The Associated Press via NewsEdge Corporation : A stage collapsed during a festival bikini contest at a drag race, injuring at least seven people.
Witnesses said a man in the crowd tried to climb onto the stage to get to the contestants Sunday just before the front half of the stage caved in, sending bikini-clad women and other performers crashing to the ground.
The contest was part of the Pre-Memorial Day Street and Strip Grudge Match Shootout at Lake Slipaway Drag Strip in Leake County.
Bobby Cleveland, a sports reporter for The Clarion Ledger of Jackson, who was there, said 31 women were competing in the beauty contest.
``They had announced at least five or six times that there were too many people on the stage and people were going to have to get down,'' said Cleveland. Cleveland said when the unidentified man in the crowd climbed on the stage, two security guards moved toward him and the stage collapsed.
Malone Ambulance Service transported at least seven people, including members of a band that had been performing, who had leg, back and other injuries, Teresa Malone said. Four were treated at a local hospital and three others, including one contestant, were taken to Jackson hospitals, she said. The injuries were not life-threatening.
[Copyright 1999, Associated Press]
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Response 104 of 251: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Fri, Jun 11, 1999 (15:14) * 1 lines
Just incredibly embarrassing.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 105 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sun, Jun 13, 1999 (04:19) * 1 lines
The straw that broke the donkeys back?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 106 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (06:26) * 81 lines
Police nab fugitive from group that kidnapped Patty Hearst
CNN's Charles Feldman looks back at the history of the SLA
Kathleen Soliah found after more than 20 years in hiding
June 16, 1999
Web posted at: 9:32 p.m. EDT (0132 GMT)
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Husband says he didn't know about her past
Hearst saga sensational story of 1970s
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ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- An alleged member of the Symbionese Liberation Army, the 1970s radical group that gained fame by kidnapping newspaper heiress Patty Hearst, was arrested Wednesday after more than two decades in hiding.
Kathleen Ann Soliah, 52, who married a doctor and now has three daughters, was arrested on charges that she conspired with other members of the SLA to plant bombs and kill police officers in Los Angeles.
FBI officials said Soliah, who had been living under the alias Sara Jane Olson, was taken into custody at a stop sign while driving a mini-van near her home in St. Paul's fashionable Highland Park neighborhood.
Los Angeles police Det. Tom King, who was with the arresting officers, described Soliah as "surprised and relieved."
Last month, on the 25th anniversary of a shoot-out in Los Angeles in which six SLA members were killed, the FBI offered a $20,000 reward for Soliah's capture. She was also featured on an episode of the television program "America's Most Wanted," and tips from viewers led authorities to her.
Husband says he didn't know about her past
St. Paul police spokesman Michael Jordan said Soliah's husband, Gerald Peterson, has told authorities he was unaware of his wife's past. Her daughters are ages 12, 17 and 18. Soliah, in black dress, acted in many plays at a local theater in Minneapolis
"He had no idea what was going on here," Jordan said. "I feel sorry for the guy."
During her life in Minnesota, Soliah became involved in community theater and was described by one friend as a "great actress."
"It's not like she paraded around in a beret or anything," said Steve Antenucci, manager of Theater in the Round in Minneapolis, where Soliah performed in eight shows. "Everyone liked her. She was very nice, very intelligent and had a great sense of humor."
Her most recent performance -- for which she won an award -- was in a one-act play called "Tall Tales."
Neighbors describe her as a well-spoken and friendly woman, an avid jogger and gardener.
"She seemed very classy," said Gary Price, the neighborhood's regular mailman since 1983.
Hearst saga sensational story of 1970s
The leftist radicals of the SLA gained fame in 1974 when they kidnapped Hearst, then 19, from an apartment in Berkeley, California. They demanded that her wealthy parents, Randolph and Catherine Hearst, distribute $6 million worth of food to the needy to secure her return. Hearst as SLA member "Tania"
Two months after the kidnapping, Hearst, who had adopted the name Tania, was photographed carrying a weapon during an SLA holdup of a San Francisco bank. After police captured Hearst in 1975, she claimed that she had been brainwashed into participating in the SLA's crimes.
Hearst's ordeal and trial became one of the most sensational news stories of the 1970s. She was convicted of bank robbery and served two years of a seven-year prison term before President Jimmy Carter commuted her sentence. Today, she's a married mother living in Connecticut.
"This is all so old," she told WCBS-AM radio when asked for a response to Soliah's arrest. "I don't want to be drawn into all of this."
Soliah accused of putting bombs under police cars
Soliah was indicted in 1976 by a Los Angeles grand jury on charges of conspiracy to commit murder of police officers and possession of explosives for allegedly placing pipe bombs under two police cars. The bombs did not go off.
The FBI has also accused her of committing other bombings and bank robberies as a member of the SLA.
King said Soliah left the United States at some point and lived in Africa for nine years. A warrant for her arrest drawn up in March said that her parents told the FBI in 1984 that she was living outside California, had a new identity, two children and was married to a man who knew both her true name and fugitive status.
It is unclear whether she was married to Peterson at the time.
The warrant, which also charged Soliah with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, said that in 1989 she attempted to negotiate a surrender through her lawyer. But those negotiations failed because she requested complete immunity.
At least one other former SLA member is still at large -- James Kilgore, Soliah's boyfriend during her SLA days. He was profiled on the same "America's Most Wanted" program, but FBI spokeswoman Coleen Rowley said Wednesday she wasn't aware of any leads on Kilgore.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Response 107 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (07:07) * 9 lines
Guess who the following paragraph reminded me of:
"Everyone liked her. She was very nice, very intelligent and had a great sense of humor." [...]
Neighbors describe her as a well-spoken and friendly woman, an avid jogger and gardener.
"She seemed very classy," said Gary Price, the neighborhood's regular mailman since 1983.
End of quote.-
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Response 108 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (09:37) * 1 lines
who, alex?
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Response 109 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:07) * 3 lines
Uh, I get it. A bit of it fits all of us, and we wished, the other bit would, too.
The gardening-jogger-w/-humour thing originally reminded me of our Colorado range raider. Wonder what skeletons she got in her closet. (*shudder*)
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Response 110 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:09) * 1 lines
Probably nosy publisher hung to dry, or the like...
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Response 111 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:41) * 5 lines
*cackle*
skeletons, schmeletons!
'sides I talk TOOOOO much to ever keep a secret like that!
(but thanks for thinking of me!)
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Response 112 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:50) * 1 lines
Please notice, dear Everybody, that "classy" basically applies to everybody around this side of town, but Wer ("A league of his own") and me (won't ever make the grade...).
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Response 113 of 251: Autumn (autumn) * Sat, Jun 26, 1999 (21:25) * 1 lines
ha-ha! Of you two the mailman will say, "He seemed so fey..."
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Response 114 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (05:08) * 1 lines
?
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Response 115 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (09:32) * 67 lines
Murder suspect says he fathered child with intent to kill the infant
Ronald Shanabarger confessed to suffocating his infant son
June 28, 1999
Web posted at: 8:23 AM EDT (1223 GMT)
FRANKLIN, Indiana (AP) -- Ronald L. Shanabarger planned his revenge against his wife for several years: He wanted to father their son and then kill him, police said.
Shanabarger told police he planned the crime as a way of exacting punishment on his wife, Amy, who had refused to cut short a vacation to comfort him when his father passed away.
"Shanabarger said he planned to make Amy feel the way he did when his father died," according to an affidavit prosecutors filed to support a murder charge.
Last Tuesday, just hours after the funeral of his seven-month-old son, Tyler, Shanabarger confessed to his wife that he'd killed their son. A coroner had ruled the infant died from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
The next day, Shanabarger allegedly told police he suffocated his infant son with plastic wrap. He told officers he dreamed up the crime after his father died in 1996.
The affidavit said Shanabarger's plan included marrying Amy and getting her pregnant. He then "allowed time for her to bond with the child, and then took his life," the affidavit said.
Shanabarger, 30, who begged officers to shoot him after he confessed last Wednesday, is being held without bail. He is due in court Monday.
Johnson County Prosecutor Lance Hamner hasn't decided whether to seek the death penalty because the investigation is ongoing.
Tyler Shanabarger was seven months old when he was killed
"It's the most bizarre case that I've ever had any dealings with and probably the most bizarre motive I've ever heard of," Hamner said Sunday.
In his confession, Shanabarger said that on the evening of June 19, he wrapped plastic wrap around his son's head and face, then left the boy's nursery to get something to eat and brush his teeth.
Twenty minutes later, he said, he returned, removed the plastic and placed Tyler face down in the crib before he went to bed.
Amy Shanabarger, 29, had been working that night at her job as a cashier at a grocery store. When she came home, she went straight to bed, assuming that Tyler was asleep, and found the boy's body the next morning -- Father's Day.
Shanabarger, who worked at a tire retreading center, told police he confessed because the image of his son's face -- flat and purplish from rigor mortis -- haunted him.
Since then, he's confessed at least three times, Police Chief Harry Furrer said Sunday. Each time, the story has been the same -- that he hatched his plan because he was enraged by his then-girlfriend's refusal to cut short a cruise and return home after his father's death in October 1996.
The Shanabargers were married the following May.
Detectives, who have interviewed relatives, confirmed that Shanabarger had long resented Amy's refusal to cut the cruise short, Furrer said. "Their statements substantiate his confession," he said.
The Rev. Randy Maynard, a volunteer chaplain for Franklin police, accompanied officers to the couple's home in this town south of Indianapolis on Father's Day.
While most parents of children who die from SIDS are weeping and consoling each other when authorities arrive, Maynard said Shanabarger was cold, distant and offered no comfort to his sobbing wife.
And after Mrs. Shanabarger's parents arrived later that morning, Shanabarger gave his father-in-law a Father's Day gift -- a gift-wrapped commemorative knife -- Maynard said. Shanabarger then passed the knife around, showing it to the officers.
"That really struck me as odd," he said.
Maynard said he's still troubled by the image of Tyler's tiny face.
"He was a beautiful boy," he said. "Even in death, he was just the most beautiful boy. I'm still getting goose bumps thinking about this guy."
Shanabarger's father-in-law, Robert Parsons, wears a tiny gold cherub pin to remind him of his grandson, who was born Thanksgiving Day. He won't discuss his son-in-law, but says his daughter, an only child, is devastated.
"I don't want people to just to talk about a six- or seven-month-old infant -- a nameless, faceless infant. He was a little boy, he played, he laughed, he loved. We loved him dearly and that's what this is all about," said Parsons, 52.
"We don't want vengeance, but we do want justice."
Neil S. Kaye, a forensic psychiatrist who specializes in investigating infanticide cases committed by fathers, said he's never heard of a similar crime.
"A lot of times people say this or that crime was just too complicated of a plan to be anything other than a sign of pure wickedness," said Kaye, of Wilmington, Delaware.
"But science would say otherwise, that this man was delusional and you have to wonder about his overall mental state, his mental capacity," said Kaye.
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Response 116 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Feb 7, 2036 (04:36) * 3 lines
geez louise.....
a guy here suffocated his baby son by stuffing a paper towel down his throat. they're having trouble finding a jury to hear the trial. the man said he was drunk when it happened. it took three tries to get all the paper towel out. people are nuts.....
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Response 117 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun 30, 1999 (11:07) * 1 lines
that's gross...
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Response 118 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 1, 1999 (23:11) * 5 lines
i know, but they finally got a jury and the man was convicted with a death sentence tonight (his name is deal) and his son was only 11 weeks old. ok, so like, where was his mother? first, deal said he was cleaning out the baby's mouth, then the news folks said deal wanted the crying to stop. geez....
sick people, uneducated. but that guy who plotted the whole thing is really just plain wacked.
alright, can we have some happy news now?
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Response 119 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Fri, Jul 2, 1999 (03:29) * 7 lines
Like the WWII-collectible (aka bomb) that blew up in a strawberry field near a village about 20 kilometers from here? A happy thing is, there are only strawberry casualties...
Another old bomb was found this week beneath railway tracks and properly detonated after evacuating the area.
Talking of collectibles: the first KFOR-soldiers killed in the mission died in the attempt of defusing a NATO splitter bomb.
More fun to come, as the military will clean out the land mines.
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Response 120 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Fri, Jul 2, 1999 (03:31) * 2 lines
Sorry, but that's as cheerful as it gets around these premises at the moment.
.=/
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Response 121 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 2, 1999 (21:31) * 2 lines
ok, well, i've got some good newsworthy news: a two year old girl in nothing but her diaper was sitting on her porch in texarkana arkansas this morning. her parents were still asleep (how did she get out you ask?). a guy riding a bike snatched her off the porch. a neighbor saw it happen and ran to wake up the parents to call 911. (why didn't he call 911 himself?). they found her this evening and took her to a hospital. it doesn't look like she was harmed. the kidnapper was found several minutes later via
helicopter. turns out the man had been seen by the child's parents the night before prowling about the victim's home and the neighborhood. he was asking about the family that lived there. hmmmm....i guess people prowl about yards all the time up there, nothing to worry about. but, i'm glad the baby girl is safe none-the-less and hope that the parents remember to lock the door tonight.
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Response 122 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Jul 6, 1999 (14:13) * 4 lines
hey alexander...
strawberries have souls to...
*grin*
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Response 123 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Jul 8, 1999 (11:15) * 52 lines
Don't tell us!
Marcia might use it as another argument against unfortunate people with ideals...
And we must, repeat WE MUST, preserve idealism, innocence and protect the weak UNDER A L L CIRCUMSTANCES. Oh, forget the part about the weak, but let's defend for others what we have lost ages ago - a cause we believe in. Gives us something to do, too, for the time being. Can't just sit around and watch the telly till I pass away.-
Anyway, ladies and gentlemen - the odds get even, as the youth of the US gets to explain how they feel about things:
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Woman dies two days after traffic fight with teens
July 2, 1999
Web posted at: 4:40 AM EDT (0840 GMT)
DALE CITY, Virginia (AP) -- A 25-year-old woman who authorities say
had her head smashed repeatedly into the street during a traffic argument
with two teen-age girls has died from her injuries.
Natalie Davis died Thursday, two days after police say she was attacked
while driving to a church service with her children, ages 2 and 4, and four
other relatives.
Prosecutor Paul Ebert said Teresa Dixon, 18, and a 16-year-old girl will
now face murder charges. Both suspects were held without bond and a
preliminary hearing was set for Aug. 10.
Ms. Dixon had been charged with aggravated malicious wounding.
Information about the 16-year-old was withheld due to her age, but Ebert
said he will seek to try her as an adult.
Police say Ms. Davis and her family encountered a car blocking the entrance
to the cul-de-sac where they lived Tuesday night. Several girls had gathered
around the car to talk.
Ms. Davis asked the teens to move the car, but the driver of her car
managed to maneuver around it. Two teens followed the family in another
car, police Sgt. Kim Chinn said.
Words were exchanged, and after a short distance, Ms. Davis and the 16-year-old girl left their cars to argue, Ms. Chinn said. The teen eventually grabbed Ms. Davis by her hair and pounded her head into the pavement, she said.
Dixon allegedly joined in, stomping on Ms. Davis' head, police said. One of
Ms. Davis' relatives flagged down a police officer.
Copyright 1999 The Associated Press.
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Makes the offshore US-watcher wonder who'll score next, and why ARE you folk drawn to violence like moths to light?
"It's the man, not the plastic bag" and "It's the teen, not the tarmac", the next thing after "It's the trench coat, not the kid" ?
Wow. These are the nineties, that is your society. Tell me more about it at
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/public/read/cultures/27 .
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Response 124 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul 8, 1999 (11:35) * 5 lines
please, please watch the overgeneralizations...
I don't believe all Germans were and supported Nazism... yet is was indeed 'your' society... and I'm not sure there were many sensical answers to the question 'why' fifty years ago...
perhaps I am willing to believe it may get worse before it gets better (like WWII) and after such 'atrocities' as you just mentioned are so widely rampant, perhaps we will realize the insanity and lunacy involved thus becoming a more tolerant and less violent country...
if you have suggestions though... feel free!
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Response 125 of 251: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Jul 8, 1999 (14:38) * 56 lines
"feel free!" - just the thing I've done... ;=}
Interesting reply, let's look at it:
"I don't believe all Germans were and supported Nazism"
- but the great majority WAS all faschist, many before and most after the Nazis took over, and there was a great strain of antisemitism, which since the Middle Ages had led to pogroms, though not on as large a scale.
So, yes, chauvinism and faschism WAS a general trait of German society since the early thirties (as was a certain mysticism...). Of course not EVERYBODY was a party member or liked the faschists, but these either shut up, emigrated or were "taken care of", as we all know. Socialists, union members, devout christians, etc. who were e.g. in state-employment got early retirement (police officers, mayors, bureaucrats) or else.
And the people of Germany didn't do anything about it, because the majority liked what they got out of the deal, and any minorities were silenced.
"yet is was indeed 'your' society" -
not likely, Stacey. I wasn't born then, and I do not believe in inheriting guilt and debts from the ancestors.
I do derive from the fact that I know about these things and how the mechanics of this worked, and that I live in this historically charged-up area, a certain OBLIGATION to warn, make aware of, flap the clap, mouth off, whatever somebody might call it. Something like a duty, to not let the victims be for nothing - there is a lesson in the story. Gotta learn it, gotta have more people understand something about people.
Duty for the Future NOW! (to quote DEVO) Something that might help us all to improve the human condition by changing the way we interact. See the personality in the opposite person, not just some impersonal opposition.
Our society, Stacey, is where we live NOW. We are part of a global, cooperating new society. We will have to learn new rules for this; meanwhile, we live in our communities in our respective countries and I guess, yea! we share responsibility with the other folks there to have things work out alright. We work this by voting, saying what's on our mind, participating in the society's rituals of decision-finding. Or just accept things as given.
Now think of environmental problems or gun-laws, tax or education problems, and you see what I mean. It is YOUR country, and it is is YOUR society, and yea! again (plus excuse me for shouting, but I feel so dramatic: )
- IT IS YOUR THING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Or not, if you're happy with it.
"I'm not sure there were many sensical answers to the question'why' fifty years ago" -
but there were! Look at what was published in the Twenties, and what has happened to the country in the aftermath of WWI, it may not be obvious that things HAD to turn this way or that (I think they never had to), but many things and ideas that the faschists used were widely accepted by most people.
Patriotism, the punishing Versailles Treaty, losing parts of the country, losing the army, losing the head-of-state and the monarchy, racism - even based on fake science, unemployment after the big Black Friday crash on Wallstreet - which destroyed lots of German capital invested in the States, inflation (got some old bank notes from that time, made out to billions...)...
The Nazis' ideas of a national socialism appealed to many. Empower the lower classes, create jobs, stop war reparations, find a new national identity (in a country that only existed since the end of the French-German war of 1870/71), become a sovereign country with own armed forces again.
Heroic ideals, new architecture, a new age. Progress! Wellbeing!
(By the way, did you know the Nazis had a BIG purge themselves in the mid-thirties? Killed or degraded the whole more socialist wing, and developed a more mystic programme - that's when the SS came up bigtime.)
Think of your country's New Deal era, and how everybody loved state intervention suddenly... Same time, same problem, same solution. Just to serve different means in the end. All based on different interests - the big capital wanted the monarchy back, so did the military and aristocracy (who all hated Hitler as low caste without style, as being pathetic, but nevertheless tried to utilize him for their benefit and got run over on the way). The workers wanted food and homes. The businesses wanted competitio
taken care of. Big opportunities for many people - and the party offered even working-class folks a rise to power just by being hard-working and loyal... Afterwards, everybody had good excuses and didn't know about any untoward things at all. Heard about something, perhaps, but seen...? Never!
Or look at the McCarthyism in the US. There are some similarities in how the people perceived and supported or ignored these things, and how afterwards nobody really knew a thing about it. Nobody was really responsible, only the bad guy. One (1) person. Even forced Charly Chaplin (!) to leave the States as suspected communist. Repeating patterns...
"perhaps we will realize the insanity and lunacy involved thus becoming a more tolerant and less violent country..." -
so, what's this, do I have a point here or what!
Stacey, I DO hope it will not get any worse before there is a catharsis. I would not happily live in such times. But yes, it looks very different from the outside, compared to what you see in other places. Serbia and Rwanda, for example - anybody understands easily that the massacres and cruelties aremotivated by ethnic chauvinism.
It is not all gang fights in the States, supremacism, there is no war declared on the offspring, nor do husbands kill their wifes (or vice versa) as members of a "Singles Liberation Front". And yet - why is so much happening? What is the lowest common denominator in the US, I wonder?
Also be aware that the US sets an example to the world. Many things are copied all over the world, and yes, the rise of violence in the US is mimicked in other places, too. It's not only Coke, Rock 'n' Roll and Levis, or for the younger folks, baggys, hiphop and Coke. How and when did e.g. the heroin consumption in Europe escalate (which was not THAT heavy a problem in itself, as heroin's a downer - crack and cocain are the current dope, and they make users more, ahem, lively...)?
And may I point out that any possible "Millenium" hysteria is still - as I see it - no excuse for running around and doing stupid things? Nobody "forces" the aggresssors to do something. They are fully responsible for their beliefs, and acts, and the results of these.
There is more, but it's so hard for me to express without running danger of being seriously misunderstood - something I have lots of experience with, especially with US citizens involved (Springizens excluded).
Hmh, so many characters. And what does all this teach us in the end?
(a) Don't overgeneralize, else you gotta type a lot.
(b) And people might think you don't respect them, though respect them you do
(if I wouldn't, the post above wouldn't be there).
Let's continue this in the topic I put up, to keep to the point easier.
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Response 126 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul 8, 1999 (15:13) * 23 lines
Overgeneralization also makes a statement come across as ignorant and not well thought out.
You obviously thought out your response.
Here's mine.
I do think it will get worse before it gets better.
People in our country are fumbling around for answers but refusing to listen to the answers that don't appeal to them.
Guns-- can of worms, a citizen's right? the root of all evil? merely a machine?
Television -- can of worms, window to a global perspective? mechanism for free thinking creativity? scandal box? sex box? root of all evil? merely a machine?
Desintigration of family units -- can of worms, women seeking independence from their formerly oppressive life of home and children? ramifications of a finiancially focused society? people are lazy? the root of all evil?
I personally think that the changes that have taken place in this country over the past twenty years with respect to violence cannot be attributed to ONE culprit. Individuals seem to me to feel less responsibility for building a society in which they desire to live and feel less (in any at all) accountability for their actions.
In a country that prides itself on its freedoms and rights, the difficulty appears to lie in where one man's freedom violates another man's human rights. We are fortunate to have those principles/ideas that other countries do not have, but crossing those fine lines seems to be a unwanted side affect.
I do not like, actually I abhor, statements made generalizing this country as violence accepting...
I believe the statement is false and made by people who really have no idea what the society over here believes. If you want to learn something about someone else's life and society, ask questions, don't make offensive statements.
In the past 2 1/2 months I've watched an entire city from very up close try and come to terms with an act of extreme violence. I've watched the cycle of mourning and blame and forgiveness and questioning and I've watched people turn to a god to look for answers because they feel so helpless to find them in this reality.
When you or anyone else makes statements about 'accepting violence' I know that you are not talking about MY reality and certainly not MY society.
When I go home, I return to a televisionless house prompted by a disgust for the horror and ridiculousness I find in even the daily news.
To throw up your hands in frustration and not be able to give an answer to the why does not imply acceptance. I believe it implies fatigue and sadness and frustration and fear.
Certianly keep this topic open.
Everyone is certainly aware of my pet peeve (one of many, to be sure!) and I will continue to call anyone on the overgeneralization bit...
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Response 127 of 251: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 8, 1999 (19:00) * 4 lines
i'll go back and read all of that. so if i repeat ideas presented above, my apologies.
i think something we're forgetting is all the good people out there. do you know that the summer before last, i was driving home with some friends and witnessed an assault in broad daylight. we pulled over and called the police, the attacker started to run off, we took the victim and sheltered her. do you know 4 more cars stopped by? and one man took off after the attacker to try to sustain him for the police (the attacker managed to get away). race was not a factor although the attacker was black and t
e victim was white. black and white folks were among the mix of witnesses. so i'd like to say that there are good people in the world and in the U.S. and i'd also like to say that there are things that go on here that i don't agree with, but also there are things that go on elsewhere that i don't believe in. but i don't hate the people who are ruled by those governments. and i can't assume that because some things are going bad (which, of course, is highly publicized) makes the whole place rotten.
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Response 128 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Aug 27, 1999 (17:06) * 30 lines
And some beautiful good news to brighten this day...
(sorry if it's too long... it's worth reading!)
August 26, 1999
Web posted at: 11:05 AM EDT (1505 GMT)
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Her poignant e-mail messages from Kosovo chronicled her family's desperate situation much in the same way that Anne Frank's diaries put a human face on the Holocaust.
Now the girl's real name and face are no longer a mystery.
"Adona," a 16-year-old ethnic Albanian whose Internet missives were read to thousands of listeners over National Public Radio, flew Wednesday to meet her e-mail pen pal from Berkeley.
Kujtesa Bejtullahu kept her identity secret while her family hid from Serbians in the Kosovo capital of Pristina. She shared her thoughts and fears by e-mail with Finnegan Hamill, a 16-year-old Berkeley High School student and Youth Radio reporter.
The correspondence began in January after a peace worker who had just returned from Kosovo visited Hamill's church and gave him the address.
Bejtullahu's messages often were filled with disturbing and violent accounts of the war. The girl said she regularly saw people being killed, routed from their homes and moved from place to place as they tried to stay alive.
In mid-March, the messages suddenly ceased, presumably because the electricity at her family's home had been cut off. Hamill kept a worried vigil as reports of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo increased.
Hamill was able to make contact with Adona a few days later over the phone. She told him her family was huddled in their home with little food or water.
Wednesday night, Hamill said he had butterflies in his stomach as he met her face-to-face with flowers and a hug.
Bejtullahu came to the United States along with three other teens from Pristina to complete her high school education. She is part of a group known as the PostPessimists, which campaigns against ethnic rivalry. While in Berkeley, Bejtullahu will stay with Gretchen Carlson, who heard the girl's messages on the radio.
"I feel differently about Kujtesa, because I heard her words on NPR," Carlson said. "I don't think any woman alive, especially a mother, didn't feel a helplessness at not being able to protect a child in circumstances like that."
The First Congregational Church of Berkeley has raised $25,000 to support the teens during their stay, but $50,000 more is needed for tuition, clothing and health insurance.
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Response 129 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (09:02) * 9 lines
The Hunger Site at the U.N..... All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors.
All you do is go to the site and click. But you're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others.
Visit the site and pass the word.
http://www.thehungersite.com
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Response 130 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (10:27) * 3 lines
And it's legit too!
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Response 131 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (10:46) * 4 lines
d'ya think I'd send anything otherwise???
*smile*
BTW... what's with the dead dolls on the Spring Cam... they're scary...
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 132 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (10:51) * 2 lines
What dead dolls?
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 133 of 251: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (13:38) * 36 lines
From the BBC:
Japanese officials struggling to contain the worst nuclear accident in the country's history say they believe the situation has
now stabilised.
More than 300,000 people living in the area have been told they can leave
their homes but there is still a 350-metre "exclusion zone" around the plant.
However, fears persist over the effects of fallout from the accident. Officials told residents caught out in Thursday evening
rain showers to wash their clothing and said locally grown vegetables should not be eaten.
Radiation levels soared to 15,000 times the normal level just after the
accident - schools were shut, train services halted and farmers were warned not to harvest their crops until safety checks
had been carried out.
But officials say radiation levels outside the plant have now returned to normal, and local residents are no longer at serious
risk. They issued the statement after operators drained coolant water and carried out a number of other measures to
reduce the risk of contamination resulting from a leak
inside the uranium processing plant.
The Governor of Ibaraki Prefecture, Masaru Hashimoto, said he had received confirmation at 0615 (2115GMT) that the
nuclear chain reaction at the uranium processing plant had stopped. The aftermath of the accident coincided with the
arrival on Friday of a second British ship carrying a cargo of plutonium for Japan's nuclear power industry. The Pacific
Pintail docked in Takahama, 400km (248 miles) southwest of Tokyo.
More than 30 workers at the Tokaimura plant are thought to have been exposed to radiation. Two are in a critical condition
and are expected to be given bone marrow transplants. The victims include builders who had been working at the plant,
people who live nearby and firemen who helped in the rescue. Human error
Officials said workers had caused the accident at the plant by pouring too much uranium solution into a tank.
Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi criticised the response to the accident, saying it had taken too long for experts to
assess the seriousness
of the situation. He also held an emergency meeting of the cabinet which set up a special task force - the first time it has
taken such a measure after a nuclear accident.
Washington has meanwhile announced that a joint American and Russian team is being sent to Japan. Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiromu Nonaka said it was very likely there had been a "criticality incident" at the plant. Criticality is the
point at which a nuclear chain reaction becomes
self-sustaining.
The French nuclear institute said the incident was the 60th in the world since 1945, following 33 such accidents in the
United States and 19 in the former Soviet Union.
One of the workers reportedly told an official that he had used about 16kg of uranium - nearly eight times the normal
amount - during the process just before the accident. Workers normally use up to 2.3kg of uranium in each procedure to
prevent a criticality accident, officials said.
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 134 of 251: John Burnett (mrchips) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (21:17) * 6 lines
This is a really terrific thing.
The Hunger Site at the U.N.
This is a really cool website. All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors. All you do is go to the site and click. But, you're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others. Visit the site and pass the word.
http://www.thehungersite.com
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 135 of 251: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (21:22) * 1 lines
Yup...thanks for posting it. Stacey posted it, too. I think I will post it in Drool, also
Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
Response 136 of 251: John Burnett (mrchips) * Fri, Oct 1, 1999 (21:52) * 1 lines