Topic 17 of 100: R&B
Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (16:43) |
Theresa Gaylor (trickyT)
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39 responses total.
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 1 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (18:34) * 2 lines
What did you want to talk about
Theresa?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 2 of 39: Sam Blob (Afor) * Sat, Dec 13, 1997 (12:48) * 1 lines
R&B: Now that's great music! Also, all those people who bad-mouth '70s music obviously know very little about R&B: The Chi-Lites, the Stylistics, the Delphonics, Blue Magic, Bobby Womack, the Spinners, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes (featuring Theodore Prendergrass), Billy Paul, these were all big news in the '70s!
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 3 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sat, Dec 13, 1997 (15:23) * 2 lines
excellant taste...("side show" was one of the first 45's i ever bought)
(don't forget four tops, marvin gaye, al green...)
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 4 of 39: Sam Blob (Afor) * Sat, Dec 13, 1997 (18:05) * 5 lines
Thanks, Nick! Now how did I forget those, and the Temptations, who everyone remembers for their early '60s songs, but who I remember first and foremost for "Masterpiece".
And of course:
"Ladies and gentlemen...EARTH, WIND AND FIRE!!!!!"
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 5 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sat, Dec 13, 1997 (19:37) * 2 lines
Yeah, "that's the way of the world"... one of my first albums... great title tune, and "shining star", with that totally cool finale...
and regarding the 70's (eddie-less, david-less) temptations, you neglected "papa was a rolling stone" ("...and dat ain't right")...
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 6 of 39: Sam Blob (Afor) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (09:24) * 5 lines
Was that a cover of Muddy Waters' song? Not that I don't know the Temptations' song; what I don't know is Muddy Waters' song!
I saw a 5-disc set on the Temptations, from the beginning to about two years ago. Don't I just WISH I were a millionaire! I'd buy it without a thought! One of the first songs on Disc 4 was "Masterpiece"!
Sonny & Cher performed "Plastic Man" on one of their shows, but I saw it on the "Masterpiece" album which said that all songs were written by... I have to find the jacket to get the name. BTW, Sonny & Cher's cover was not worthwhile! Better get the original!
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 7 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (22:17) * 2 lines
hard to believe (being that sonny's such a soulful guy, and all)...
no, the old muddy water's standard ("rollin' stone") is not the same tune...the old temptation's song was probably a creation of motown's amazing stable of writers (gordie, holland, whitfield, etc...)
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 8 of 39: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (18:37) * 1 lines
Gotta have a MoTown night after all this chatter!
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 9 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (23:14) * 2 lines
I had quite a few motown nights when I lived in Louisville.
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 10 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Mon, Dec 15, 1997 (23:51) * 2 lines
yeah, that sounds good...
(how would that go? motown in cowtown tonight... isn't that an old bob wills tune?)
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 11 of 39: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (18:45) * 2 lines
*cackle*
damn, nick! You be quick and dirty!
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 12 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (18:56) * 1 lines
totally irredeemable...
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 13 of 39: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (19:14) * 1 lines
you're tough.
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 14 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (19:28) * 1 lines
it's all that ripple and thunderbird (i mix them, you know...many people can't do that)
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 15 of 39: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (19:30) * 1 lines
Which goes first for least destructive hangover?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 16 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (19:32) * 2 lines
actually, a hangover implies the prospect of sobriety...
(should i ever achieve that state, will let you know...)
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 17 of 39: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (19:37) * 3 lines
fair enough! Which goes first to stem the tide of most destructive bowels?!?!
apologies in advance for the crudeness!
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 18 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, Dec 17, 1997 (19:56) * 4 lines
( )
(staring blankly ahead at monitor; mouth slightly ajar; cocktail glass lying splintered at my feet- thanks, by the way; words unable to find expression; you have shut my mouth)
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 19 of 39: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Dec 18, 1997 (09:56) * 1 lines
*satisfied grin* (amidst uncontrollable laughter!)
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Response 20 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Wed, Mar 11, 1998 (21:21) * 13 lines
Anybody here into really old R&B from like 1949-53? The grown-up stuff
before doo-wop and rock and roll turned everything into sock hop teeny
bopper stuff for the kids?
Hucklebuck Williams
Roy Brown
Erline Harris
Amos Milburn
Earl Bostic
Wild Bill Moore
Joe Liggins
stuff like that?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 21 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Fri, Mar 13, 1998 (05:54) * 56 lines
There's a "quiz" over in the Blues topic, so here's an R&B quiz:
1. What R&B artist covered "Good Rocking Tonight" in 1949, but changed
the title, and changed the lyrics to the following:
"Have you heard the news, there's good jumping tonight.
I'm gonna hold my baby everything will be fine,
We'll be drinking good whisky, brandy and wine
Hey man, there's good jumping tonight.
Do you want to jump children? YEAH
Do you want to jump children? YEAH
Do you want to jump children? YEAH
Do you want to jump children? YEAH
Well, jump, jump, jump, jump
etc.
2. Everybody knows about Rocket 88, the "first rock n roll song," cut
in 1951. The lyrics and music are very similar to those of a song
done in 1947 by Jimmy Liggins, about another GM line of luxury
automobiles, more expensive than Oldsmobiles. Name the song.
3. Speaking of Jimmy Liggins, Jimmy's older brother Joe did the first
million-selling race record, a song during WWII called "The
Honeydripper." Who was the *original* honeydripper? (Hint, he got that
pseud in the 1930's).
4. Apart from Louis Jordan, name another bandleader who is very often
cited as being the father of R&B? Wynonie Harris sang blues in his
band. Sister Rosetta Tharpe sang gospel in his band.
5. Who is the undisputed father of black gospel? He wrote many
very popular gospel blues, starting in the 1920's.
6. What NYC-based tenor sax artist was the leader of "Alan Freed's
Rock and Roll Orchestra" from 1952, when Freed got to NYC, to the
late-50's?
7. Which of the following is *not* the name of a dance which
originated in late-1940's era R&B circles?
the hucklebuck
the rock and roll
the suzie Q
the mess around
the twist
8. Fill in the blank: "Has anybody here seen Miss [______] Brown?"
(Big hit single by Roy Brown, 1949).
9. Who was Amos Milburn's main tenor sax player from the mid-40's to
the 1950's? He also arranged all the Milburn recording sessions and
then had his own successful career starting when he left Milburn.
10. What was Waxie Maxie's real name? Who was he?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 22 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Tue, Apr 7, 1998 (23:53) * 10 lines
1. Jimmy Witherspoon
2. Cadillac Boogie
3. Roosevelt Sykes
4. Lucky Millinder
5. Thomas A. Dorsey
6. Freddie Mitchell
7. The Twist (from the 1930's, revived for rock 'n roll in the late 1950's.)
8. Fanny
9. Maxwell Davis
10.Max Silverman, a DJ in Washington DC
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 23 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Wed, Apr 29, 1998 (22:27) * 1 lines
Mighty quiet in here
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 24 of 39: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Apr 30, 1998 (08:46) * 1 lines
What's up rattlecat?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 25 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Thu, Apr 30, 1998 (23:36) * 1 lines
Just wondered why nobody talks about R&B here, seeing how it's the greatest music, and the greatest art form, that the human race has yet to achive, or ever will achieve.
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 26 of 39: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, May 3, 1998 (23:07) * 4 lines
Methinks your incredible expertise and knowledge in the subject
has humbled us lesser mortals into keeping our mouths shut lest
we deeply offend thee...So, with that in mind, and no offense
intended, what's the difference between blues and r&b?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 27 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Mon, May 4, 1998 (23:34) * 14 lines
In one word, saxophone.
Blues went from 1895 to today with every permutation you can imagine. R&B went from 1949 to now with almost as many. That doesn't clear it up much does it? They classify Whitney Houston as R&B so the term is obviously meaningless in recent years.
Fans of 1950's "doo-wop" vocal groups consider that to be the original R&B. They are wrong. R&B started out at the very end of the swing era. Lionel Hampton, Louis Jordan, Lucky Millinder, Roy Milton, and Buddy Johnson had swing type bands with a totally new beat. It was a boogie beat but more rocking. Around 1949, everything changed. Swing died suddenly in 1947 when they discovered how to rock. Rocking blues in a swing band format became known as R&B in 1949, often with a blues singer in the front, but j
st as often an instrumental. R&B was for dancing.
About 5 years later they started calling it rock and roll. Same thing.
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 28 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Mon, May 4, 1998 (23:38) * 3 lines
Blues has no saxophone. If it does, it's R&B. That's a given, and you can use that tid-bit of info everywhere you go.
Word!!
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 29 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Tue, May 5, 1998 (00:41) * 1 lines
(fascinating... i'd like to hear/learn more)
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 30 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Wed, May 6, 1998 (00:13) * 3 lines
Learn more here:
http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/person_frame/10262/0/0/76
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 31 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Wed, May 6, 1998 (00:16) * 3 lines
Hear/learn here, about the father of rock and roll, Roy Brown:
http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/person_frame/10478/0/0/76
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 32 of 39: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, May 6, 1998 (00:21) * 1 lines
but we like it better when you tell us...
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 33 of 39: nick a'hannay (pmnh) * Wed, May 6, 1998 (00:47) * 10 lines
thanks... gonna check it out...
(now, in fact)...
all i really know is the johnsons (robert, lonnie, willie, tommy), howlin'
wolf, muddy waters, sonny boy williamson, willie dixon, etc...
am a big fan of 40's-50's r&b, though (the spaniels, the el dorados, the
moonglows (love harvey fuqua), the dells, the magnificents, the cleftones,
etc... oh and johnny ace, too)...
don't you think that stuff holds up amazingly well?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 34 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Thu, May 7, 1998 (22:00) * 31 lines
I wish I could appreciate doo-wop vocal groups. There are some that I like...
the El Doradoes "At My Front Door" is a great record. Some of the stuff
with a dance beat can sure be great. But so much of it is that sentimental
lovey dovey stuff that doesn't move me at all. I never developed a taste
for it. I know than many other people love it so I don't criticize it.
As for all the Johnsons, the Wolf, Muddy, etc, that's Chicago blues. There
is a great big monster difference between Chicago Blues and sax-driven R&B
from 1949-52 period. The music that I talk about lasted for those few years
and died, and has not been seen since. It's simply the most amazing, most powerful and most exciting music this world has ever seen. People like:
Hucklebuck Williams
Big Jay McNeely
Joe Lutcher
Jimmy Preston
Jimmy Cavallo
Illinois Jacquet
Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson
Hal Singer
Wild Bill Moore
Screaming Jay Hawkins
Amos Milburn (this is a biggie)
The young Fats Domino age 18
The young Little Richard age 17 (another biggie)
Johnny Otis
Roy Brown
Wynonie Harris
Nappie Brown
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 35 of 39: Morgan Wright (rattlecat) * Thu, May 7, 1998 (22:00) * 5 lines
Here is the most incredible web site for pre-rock R&B:
http://www.hoyhoy.com
check it out!!!!!!!!!!
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 36 of 39: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 7, 1998 (22:00) * 1 lines
will do...
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 37 of 39: Alexander (aschuth) * Mon, Oct 11, 1999 (17:22) * 1 lines
...and never got back.
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 38 of 39: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Oct 12, 1999 (03:11) * 1 lines
With Rattlecat's encyclopedic knowledge, he should be doing a nationwide show on National Public Radio or it's Minnesota clone (unfortunately syndicators would find his taste sadly uncommercial). Wonder where he shook, rattled and rolled too as well. Are he and Wer whooping it up at a juke joint somewhere?
Topic 17 of 100 [music]: R&B
Response 39 of 39: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 12, 1999 (12:59) * 1 lines
I rather think not...knowing one of the pair...however, one never knows...!
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