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Topic 10 of 96: News from outside the Spring

Mon, Mar 2, 1998 (01:26) | Paul Terry Walhus (terry)
This is about world, national and local news outside of the Spring.

What news has happened that may affect the Spring or springeurs?
251 responses total.

 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 1 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (09:28) * 31 lines 
 
Jack King, noted attorney, is in today's LA Times. He's still waiting
for his subpoena:

http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/REPORTS/SCANDAL/STORIES/lat_scandal0303.htm

Get in line, Jack.

If Vernon Jordan is in the batter's box, does that mean that our gal
Monica Lewinsky is in the on deck circle?

And from Sonoma Countian Roger Karraker:

In the same vein, a report from last Friday's "Washington Pissed":

White House Tries to Squash Ken Starr's Penis

Washington, DC - (Feb 27) - According to CNN, the so-called "White
House," apparently tried, early yesterday, to have Ken Starr's grand
jury
penis, or something, so-called "squashed."

According to CNN's source, Ken Starr apparently has 2 penii --
a superior court uber-penis and a grand jury sub-penis, and it
was the sub-penis that the so-called "White House" tried to have
squashed.

----

Full text at http://c3f.com/nty0227.html




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 2 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (14:15) * 1 lines 
 
Couldn't that hurt?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 3 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Mar 23, 1998 (05:54) * 4 lines 
 
Yeltsin fired his entire cabinet. Can you imagine Clinton doing that?

What's up with this?



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 4 of 251: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Wed, Apr  1, 1998 (21:48) * 1 lines 
 
I can top that--yesterday he fired himself!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 5 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Apr  1, 1998 (22:33) * 1 lines 
 
How I wish I could do that!!!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 6 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (09:05) * 4 lines 
 
PowerBall lottery:
jackpot has grown exponentially with the 20 states (and D.C.) to a grand total of $195 MILLION!
and ONE person won it all last night.
doh!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 7 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (10:31) * 1 lines 
 
can I just curl up and cry now?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 8 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (13:14) * 4 lines 
 
another kids killing kids school shooting spree
this morning in Oregon, 25 victims and of those
one dead and three super critical
maybe Riette is right about murder being instinctual...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 9 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Thu, May 21, 1998 (23:03) * 10 lines 
 
let's not even hypothesize yet...
as liberal as I tend to lean, I still point toward televison/media/movies glorifying and (at the very least) desensitizing the general populus to such violence.
How many glorified vigilante movies have there been in the past five years?
How many television stations have chosen to replay videos of suicides/standoffs/shootouts?
Our society (HUGE generalization) 'preaches' self-awareness. It maintains an air of distance between one person and another. Communities are becoming obsolete (in the sense they are a group of individuals working toward a similar purpose while looking out for 'their own'). Individuals view themselves more frequently as islands...
the children I teach have very little respect for life
and little to no knowledge concerning cause/effect.
Consequences are remote.

Seems everyone is living in a dream.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 10 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (15:32) * 9 lines 
 
Today is backwards day at Knight Academy...
if i were much more intelligent and more right brained than I am (or would this use the left side?) I would post all responses in backwards arabic BUT... since I am really smarter than that and I don't want to humiliate or belittle any of you all, I will simply call you by your wacky wednesday (my kids would impale me for not capitalizing that 'W' after all the points I've taken off their papers for similar mistakes -- ahhhh to be the teacher!) names.
REW
mij
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nmutuA (I had to write that out and then flip it around... sad, sad, sad)
floW
luaP
cte. cte. cte.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 11 of 251: rew  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (15:38) * 1 lines 
 
.em yb yako s'tahT


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 12 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:40) * 3 lines 
 
taht etirw ot uoy ekat ti did gnol woH
shit. I forgot the question mark!
thanks for playing with me REW!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 13 of 251: rew  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:45) * 3 lines 
 
.emityna uoy htiw yalp ll'I

!emoclew er'uoY


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 14 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (16:53) * 1 lines 
 
(damn you're really quick with the transciption!)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 15 of 251: rew  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (17:06) * 2 lines 
 
.dab oot toN
.sdrow trohs htiw yllaicepsE


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 16 of 251: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Wed, Jun  3, 1998 (21:09) * 1 lines 
 
!!LOL


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 17 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jun  4, 1998 (15:53) * 21 lines 
 
Here is a story my students wrote yesterday...

The Three Hungry Wolves by 121

One morning three little girls were walking on the beach. They were walking to Grandma's house. Silently three wolves crept up and surrounded the little girls.
"Back Off," they said.
"Why should we listen to you?" the wolves snarled.
The frightened girls sprinted away toward their grandmother's house.
A fox jumped out of a bush and the girls darted to the left.
The wolves and the fox began to chase after the girls.
Darnell, the wolf, jumped of Chris, the fox, and bit him on the back of the neck. The fox whimpered and slipped away toward the girls.
The wolves and the fox continued their pursuit of the little girls. Chris, the fox, soon left the chase in pursuit of a tuna fish sandwich.
At Grandma's house, the wolves stopped and looked around for the little girls who were nowhere to be found.
Grandma came out of the house with pig feet, chitlins and neck bones.
The wolves asked, "Could we please have a bottle of hot sauce?"
Everyone was happy and full except for Chris the fox, who was still searching for tuna fish.

The End

(they wrote that round robin after a series of mini-lessons on characterization, dialogue, setting, plot and action verbs! I am so proud of them!)
*beam*


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 18 of 251: Leplep le Plep  (jgross5) * Thu, Jun  4, 1998 (20:05) * 21 lines 
 
My favorite word was "darted"
I liked when that happened.
I liked how half way through, names came into the picture (Darnell & Chris)
And since the wolves were boys instead of just wolves, Grandma
treated them real good.
I also liked "crept up" "snarled" "sprinted away" "whimpered" "slipped
away toward"
The dialogue entered into its own element, did its thing.....coool.
Talk about catchin' on, those kids are sharp.
Kids' writings are some of the most inventive in the language.
It makes me giddy thinkin' how fun it could've been to've been
one of them when they were comin' up with their stuff, their contributions.
I bet it was pretty engaging.
I wonder if they did a buncha tryin' to figure out what would work, like
what should go next -- or -- whether they just said stuff, jotted it down,
reworked it a little here a little there and it happened fairly quick.
I always like how a new activity can bring out something in a kid or kids
that no one there really ever noticed about the kid before....and the kid
is going, "hmmm, i like doin' this....it got pretty fun....I'm gonna try
some more of this on my own....and with my brother and maybe at recess
with Kirsten and Najeeb."


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 19 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Jun  5, 1998 (08:59) * 4 lines 
 
that's the reaction I'm looking for from them.
They actually wrote it as a group (talk about using problem solving skills!) and I jotted it up on the board when they came to a consensus. I wanted them to be able to publish it within the school, so my only rule was... nobody gets eaten!

Thanks for the comments Jim, I'll share them with the boys... their first critque!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 20 of 251: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Jun  5, 1998 (22:02) * 2 lines 
 
I liked the food! Are you sure you're still in Colorado, or have you secretly moved to Kentucky??



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 21 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jun  5, 1998 (23:25) * 1 lines 
 
Hey, what's that about Kentucky?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 22 of 251: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Sun, Jun  7, 1998 (21:28) * 1 lines 
 
Now calm down, wer, remember I have this thang for you good ol' boys...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 23 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jun  8, 1998 (09:42) * 1 lines 
 
as long as we're clean shaven and ugly...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 24 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Jun  8, 1998 (14:34) * 2 lines 
 
still in CO.
One of my student's favorite meals is pig's EARS! They claim it's soul food and I am none the wiser. We are having a pizza party tomorrow... typical elementary fare regardless of the locale!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 25 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jun  9, 1998 (08:18) * 1 lines 
 
Happy last day of school, teach!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 26 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Jun  9, 1998 (17:20) * 2 lines 
 
THANK YOU!!!!!



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 27 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jul 24, 1998 (11:26) * 59 lines 
 
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ARS ELECTRONICA FESTIVAL 98
INFOWAR. information.macht.krieg
Linz, Austria, september 07 - 12
http://www.aec.at/infowar
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Time Daily - Jul 9, 1998:
Television Banned in Afghanistan
July 9, 1998

The Taliban government outlaws possession of TV sets
Updated: Jul 9 1998
12:32PM

The revolution will not be televised -- at least not in
Afghanistan. The Taliban government today banned TV, and gave Afghans 15
days to get rid of all sets and VCRs. After that, if the organization's
enforcers find one in your house, it will be destroyed and you will be
punished. (And in a country where women are beaten in the street if their
bodies are not covered from head to toe, tuning in for your regular
satellite dose of "Baywatch" may not be worth the pain.) Of course there
hasn't been anything good on Afghan TV for some time -- the Taliban closed
down the country's only TV station in 1996, for fear that the medium would
corrupt society. So if you're looking for the remote in an Afghan
household, you're unlikely to find it in the couch cushions -- try digging
up the back yard. -- Tony Karon
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/daily/0,1237,101980709-taliban,00.html


There are no laws effectively providing for freedom of speech and the
press. Senior officials of various warring factions allegedly attempted to
intimidate reporters and influence their reporting. The few newspapers,
all of which were published only sporadically, were for the most part
affiliated with different factions. The various factions maintain their
own communications facilities. The Taliban took over the pro-Rabbani radio
service in Kabul and renamed it the Voice of Shariat. The Taliban banned
television on religious grounds. All factions have attempted to pressure
foreign journalists reporting on the Afghan conflict. The Taliban
initially cooperated with the international press who arrived in Kabul but
later imposed restrictions upon them. On September 29, journalists
accompanying European Union Commissioner Emma Bonino, and the Commissioner
herself, were detained for 3 hours in Kabul after they entered a hospital
for women and began filming in violation of the Taliban rule against
photographing living things. The television crews agreed to turn over
their cassettes to the Taliban authorities. A Taliban official later
expressed apologies for the arrest. The Taliban reportedly require most
journalists to stay at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul (allegedly for
security and economic reasons). Journalists also reported that the
Taliban attempted to control who could act as drivers and interpreters for
journalists. Music, movies, and television continue to be prohibited by
the Taliban. Television functioned sporadically in Mazar-i-Sharif.
http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/1997_hrp_report/afghanis.html

Tjebbe van Tijen
Imaginary Museum Projects, Amsterdam
tijen@inter.nl.net

----- End of forwarded message from Tjebbe van Tijen -----



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 28 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Aug 17, 1998 (21:25) * 14 lines 
 
ok, how many people watched our President's speech? i don't really know what to
think. if he lied (at any point) can this really be left in his personal life?
can we continue to "trust" in his decisions that affect every one of us? i agree
that it should have been left in his privacy, but when brought out to the public
he should have come right out then and there and straightened it all out. but
i also agree with his statement that we should move on. i'm not trying to put
down my president (as my commander in chief) just trying to understand the fabric
of the man who is. i am glad he took responsibility (even rather late in the game). the only thing that i think may have held him back in the beginning was
fear and the thought (hope) that monica wouldn't have continued to pursue the matter. but we have all made mistakes in our lives. let's hope he doesn't lie to
the country and send our men and women in the military into a sad situation. (probably
am just displaying my ignorance)

so now what's going to happen to the Miss Teen USA that was to be broadcast out
of our Hirsch Coliseum tonight? Huh???


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 29 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (03:48) * 1 lines 
 
So, what did he say in his speech? Was it one of those dreadfully emotional, kitchy speeches of his? I mean the man is clever, and probably a good president all in all, I just wish he wouldn't be so damned KITCHY!!!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 30 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (08:22) * 3 lines 
 
no. he said he acted inappropriately which was his fault and he wants to patch
things up with his wife, daughter, and God. it lasted 4 minutes with two hour
commentary by the press. he is clever with his words.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 31 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (10:39) * 13 lines 
 
It was a mix of humility and outrage. He copped to the affair but he
blasted Ken Starr's $40 million 4 year investigation. He tried to wrap
it up and bring closure but fell short by firing this shot. The
country's tired of it. The worst outcome might be the best, impeachment,
then Gore gets a headstart on 2000 as a sitting President. As someone
who likes Gore a lot more than Clinton, this might not be so awful. And
Gore wouldn't be so impaired and such a lame duck. So I say, let the
Republicans muck up things by impeaching Clinton, and thereby insure
themselves of another 10 years of Democratic Presidential government.

Clinton headed out on vacation. Starr isn't done, he's talking to
spin-master, Clinton outcast what's his name today. And he may not be
through with Clinton or Lewinsky.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 32 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (11:57) * 1 lines 
 
i heard someone say that we probably don't want Gore either. you think hilary will run in 2000?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 33 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (13:22) * 1 lines 
 
Ogh, they're such a ghastly family!!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 34 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Aug 18, 1998 (16:51) * 1 lines 
 
Maybe as Gore's VP.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 35 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (01:29) * 3 lines 
 
I'll laugh myself to bits everytime I see a speech on TV, by America's President Pete (or Andrew, or Phillip) GORE. Let's just hope they don't assassinate him at any point, because then he will live up to his name gloriously. BLOOD covered President GORE this morning as his BRAINS were shot out this morning.....!!!
ha-ha!!!!
forgive my sense of humour


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 36 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (07:40) * 4 lines 
 
He's the VP, and it's Al Gore, Rush Limbaugh derisively refers to him as
algor as in some monster movie. He wrote a story about our Farm in
Tennessee when he was a reporter in Nashville and my friend Al Bates does
environmental research for him.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 37 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (08:32) * 5 lines 
 
HA-HA!!!!!!

President ALL GORE!!!

Are you always serious?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 38 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (10:14) * 2 lines 
 
Sometimes. I like gore.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 39 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (10:40) * 2 lines 
 
Suppose the novelty's worn off for me - what with all the nappies and other gore I deal with every day!
But if Gore is important to you, I hope he becomes the next president.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 40 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (11:06) * 2 lines 
 
He could, if he can overcome the Bush challenge (our Texas gov). Clinton
resigning now would give him a big head start.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 41 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (13:19) * 1 lines 
 
Don't you just wish Clinton WOULD resign?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 42 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (13:27) * 1 lines 
 
Yes, not because I don't like Clinton but because I like Gore.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 43 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (15:45) * 1 lines 
 
I don't like Clinton - not because he seems a bad president, but because he's such a SNAIL! Leaves a whitish, slimy, squidgy, slippery track every time he looks at a woman. I mean, hasn't the guy go ANY control down there? Is he addicted to Viagra?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 44 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (19:48) * 3 lines 
 
don't think he needs it. it's not so much the fact that he "behaved inappropriately" that bothers me, it's the fact that he lied about it. and then he wears
her tie the day she testified. yes, he was wrong in his behavior. but now who
will believe anything he says?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 45 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Aug 19, 1998 (22:16) * 1 lines 
 
I never did. He is, after all, the President...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 46 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (01:28) * 1 lines 
 
I guess calling him pri¢k to his face would be taken as a huge compliment?! ha-ha! No, Wolf, I agree. I can handle a pervert, but not a goddamned liar.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 47 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (09:43) * 2 lines 
 
Any comments on the rebel base bombings?



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 48 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (13:23) * 1 lines 
 
Politically I guess it's a good move basically. I just get bloody fed up with the way innocent people have to die for quarrels between a bunch of craphead egotists. I mean, if that fanatic ar$ehole was pi$$ed off with Bill, why did he not bomb BILL? And then if America was pi$$ed off at him for bombing Bill, then Gore could become new president, and bomb the damned fanatic! I think it's easy to bomb people if it's not YOU or YOUR family dying.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 49 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (18:35) * 1 lines 
 
i think it just happened at a strange time.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 50 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Aug 21, 1998 (19:03) * 7 lines 
 
So you're with the 25% or so that say he's waggin' the dog, wolfie?

The Russians were mad because the US didn't tell them, nor did they
notify the country next door 5 miles away.

Question is, what will be the counter reprisals now? Batten down your
hatches.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 51 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Aug 22, 1998 (11:20) * 4 lines 
 
they'll probably just continue doing what they've always done. i don't think
(as in wag the dog) that this is all made up. but just makes one wonder. the only
thing is that now that this precedence has been set, this country is obligated
to continue meeting terroristic actions in the same way.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 52 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sat, Aug 22, 1998 (13:34) * 1 lines 
 
I isn't made up, it just came at a bloody convenient time for Bill.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 53 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Aug 22, 1998 (19:37) * 11 lines 
 
That country was Pakistan. And Yeltsin's on a rant about it.

It's terrifying to think about how far we've come without a major
chemical, biological or terrorist attack. These weren't really major
acts of terrorism in comparison to what's possible. It's a very tough
issue for the world, to be up against such a hard to define and pin down
enemy with the ability to change its base of operations and not be tied
down to a specific country, it a sense, it's a virtual enemy with ability
to organize acroos boundaries.




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 54 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Sun, Aug 23, 1998 (08:19) * 1 lines 
 
Yeltsin on a rant? No way! He's way too senile and chronically drunk - if he's on a rant, it'll be over the price of Vodka, not Pakistan. God, he's an old fart!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 55 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Aug 24, 1998 (10:19) * 1 lines 
 
OK not rant, perfuncatory West bashing.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 56 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Mon, Aug 24, 1998 (15:45) * 3 lines 
 
HA-HA!!!!

How are you Terry? HAve you been to the movies again with that fabulous friend of yours?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 57 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Aug 24, 1998 (16:44) * 2 lines 
 
Not this last weekend. I was a homebody.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 58 of 251: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Aug 25, 1998 (01:10) * 1 lines 
 
Fondling your complicated tool(s), no doubt.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 59 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep  3, 1998 (03:58) * 3 lines 
 
Kristen, my room mate, just told me that a Swiss Air plane went down,
she's freaked because she knows a bunch of folks that work for Swiss Air.
She's shaking.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 60 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Sep  3, 1998 (08:05) * 1 lines 
 
let's keep them in our prayers *hugs* for your roomy.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 61 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Sep  3, 1998 (08:40) * 60 lines 
 
Swissair Jet Crashes Off Nova Scotia

By DAVE HOWLAND
.c The Associated Press

PEGGY'S COVE, Nova Scotia (Sept. 3) - Dozens of fishing boats and coast guard ships searching through choppy seas today found only bodies and debris from a Swissair jetliner that crashed off Nova Scotia, killing all 229 people aboard.

Swissair said there were no survivors from Flight 111 from New York to Geneva, which plunged into the ocean Wednesday night after its pilot reported smoke in the cockpit and attempted an emergency landing at Halifax International Airport.

''About 30 miles south of the airport, the aircraft disappeared from radar screens,'' said airline spokeswoman Beatrice Tschanz in Zurich, Switzerland.

At dawn, rescuers had recovered 18 bodies from the turbulent waters a few miles off Peggys Cove, a small fishing village and tourist retreat.

Philippe Bruggisser, the airline's chief executive officer, told reporters in Zurich the flight headed out over the Atlantic without incident but within minutes, the Swiss pilot and co-pilot decided to turn back after reporting problems on the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 plane.

The passengers were thought to be mostly Swiss, Tschanz said. It was not immediately known how many Americans were on board, but one crew member was an American from Swissair partner Delta, Tschanz said.

In Atlanta, Delta spokesman Bill Berry said 53 Delta passengers were on the flight.

Dr. Jonathan Mann, dean of the Harvard School of Public Health and a pioneer in the fight against AIDS, was among the dead, along with his wife, according to Dr. Peter Piot of the U.N. World Health Organization.

U.N. officials returning to headquarters in Geneva also were believed to be on board.

The White House said terorrism likely was not a factor in the crash. President Clinton, who was visiting Northern Ireland today, was being regularly briefed on the crash.

The plane left New York's Kennedy International Airport at 8:17 p.m. with 215 passengers - including two infants - and 14 crew, said Philippe Roy, a Geneva airport spokesman.

Before the plane went down slightly more than an hour later, residents said they heard loud sputtering noises from an aircraft passing overhead and then a thundering crash. Dozens of ambulances were dispatched to the scene.

''The motors were still going, but it was the worst-sounding deep groan that I've ever heard,'' said witness Claudia Zinck-Gilroy.

Searchlights from coast guard cutters, fishing boats, helicopters and planes illuminated the area, said witnesses, who reported seeing an oil slick, life preservers and other debris from the downed aircraft spread over a wide area of ocean.

''It's real ugly,'' said Craig Sanford, operator of a whale-watching boat that was one of the first vessels on the scene. ''You see Styrofoam floating, chunks of wood, panels, the odd body here and there. It's not a nice scene.''

The three-engine plane dumped tons of fuel over nearby St. Margaret's Bay before crashing, The Canadian Press quoted an airport worker as saying.

Debris from the aircraft was found off Clam Island and other islets between Peggys Cove and Blandford, 20 miles southwest of Halifax.

Lt. Cmdr. Mike Considine of the Search and Rescue Center in Halifax said rescue crews were searching for the aircraft seven miles off Peggys Cove. Local fishermen were called to the area because they are familiar with the waters.

There were four rescue planes and four helicopters, as well as a Canadian navy ship, said Canadian navy spokeswoman Tracy Simoneau.

She said civilian rescuers were at the scene within minutes of the crash.

At the airports in New York and Geneva, grief counselors were on hand for relatives of the crash victims. A special lounge was set up in the Delta Air Lines terminal at Kennedy Airport.

Rabbi Mendel Pevzner said more than 100 relatives and friends had gathered at the Geneva airport. Kennedy officials reported only a handful of relatives had shown up there.

The National Transportation Safety Board in Washington sent a team of 10 people to Canada this morning.

It was the first crash of a Swissair plane since Oct. 7, 1979, when one of its DC-8s overshot the runway in Athens, Greece, while attempting to land and burst into flames. Fourteen people were killed.

The plane was put into service in August 1991 and was overhauled in August and September last year, said Georges Schorderet, the chief financial officer of parent company SAirGroup. It had been checked as all are before takeoff, he added.

''This airplane was in perfect working order,'' Schorderet said.

The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 is a jet known for its reliability, even though its manufacturer, Boeing, has announced plans to discontinue the model in the year 2000.

''Both the aircraft and the airline have extremely good safety records, among the very best in the industry,'' Daly said.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 62 of 251: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Tue, Sep  8, 1998 (20:36) * 11 lines 
 

McGwire DID IT!!! 62 HOMERS!!!!

i almost cried as i watched it. what an awesome acheivement, and he
was so happy in front of the crowd, soaking it all up.

he was so excited that he almost forgot to tag 1st base on his way
around the bases, and the first base coach had to tell him to
tag up.

history made tonight!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 63 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Sep  8, 1998 (23:43) * 15 lines 
 
I did cry, being a lifelong Cardinal fan and one who listened to Jack
Buck, Harry Caray and Joe Garagiola broadcast Cardinals games as a kid.

The way he tossed his kind in the air. And all the hugs and body
language, what a night. What a night! So many great moments. And at the
end he even turned and thanked his "great ex-wife"; you just don't get
this every day!

He slapped it hard. A line drive that went in to a no fan's area. The
shortest home run he hit all season.

And he gave all the Maris' kids big hugs and expressions of thanks.

The big guys got it great.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 64 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (09:47) * 59 lines 
 

As if we didn't already know...

From: mrteegeack@aol.com (MrTeegeack)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: SFChronicle 1951,APRIL 24 - Hubbard Insane
Date: 15 Nov 1998 16:39:56 GMT

The San Francisco Chronicle
April 24, 1951 - A-8:3

Ron Hubbard Insane, Says His Wife

LOS ANGELES, April 23 (UP)---
The wife of L.Ron Hubbard, 40, founder of the Dianetics Mental Health
Movement,
filed suit for divorce today, charging he is suffering from a mental
ailment.
Mrs. Sara Northrup Hubbard, 25, said "competent medical advisers" had
examined
her 40-year-old husband and concluded he was "hopelessly insane" and
should be
placed in a private sanitarium for "psychiatric observation."
She said doctors told her her husband was suffering from a mental ailment
"known as paranoid schizophrenia."
Mrs. Hubbard also charged he subjected her to "systematic torture" by
beating
and strangling her and denying her sleep.
Her suit said Hubbard once told her he didn`t want to be married and
suggested
that if she really loved him, she would kill herself because a divorce
would
"hurt his reputation."
Mrs. Hubbard described her husband`s dianetics research foundation as his
"alter ego" and said the institution did more than $1,000,000 business
last
year.
When informed of the doctors` recommendation that he be placed in a
mental
institution, Hubbard took their 13-month-old daughter, Alexis, from Mrs.
Hubbard`s apartment and went into hiding, the suit charged.
The wife also said Hubbard told her he was unmarried when they were wed
Aug.
10, 1946, at Chestertown, Md., but it was not until December, 1947, that
he
divorced a former wife, Mrs. Margaret Grubb Hubbard, at Port Orchard,
Wash.
Mrs. Hubbard asked $500,000 damages to compensate for the loss of "the
golden
years of a woman`s life" and an annulment of their marriage if the court
finds
she never was legally marriedto the dianetics founder.

Mr. Teegeeack
More Information:
www.xenu.net
www.factnet.org
www.lermanet.com



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 65 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (12:46) * 1 lines 
 
she got tired of scientology, eh?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 66 of 251: Tim Guenther  (TIM) * Mon, Nov 16, 1998 (21:26) * 1 lines 
 
Or she got tired of lies. WAIT A MINUTE!! If they were married in 1946, how canshe be 25 yrs old? 1946 would be 27yrs before she was born. I've heard of robbing the cradle, but this is ridiculous!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 67 of 251: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Tue, Nov 17, 1998 (16:05) * 1 lines 
 
Well, all I can say is Chestertown's a darn charming little town. I'm sure it was a nice setting for a wedding, even a bigamist's...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 68 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Feb  7, 2036 (02:02) * 32 lines 
 
Teletubbies under attack from Jerry Falwell.


From luddite@PRAIRIENET.ORG Thu Feb 11 00:46:43 1999
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:26:50 -0600
From: "Margaret M. Sheehan"
To: STORYTELL@VENUS.TWU.EDU
Subject: The Tinky-Winky Defense

I don't know about the rest of you, but I was shocked, shocked I say,
when
I heard of Jerry Falwell's vicious and unwarranted attack on Tinky-Winky.
Just because Tinky-Winky carries a purse, is that any reason to accuse
him
of un-natural acts? He has no genitalia, any act would be un-natural!
And with whom would he be un-natural? There are only three other
Teletubbies and a bunch of rabbits and none of them have had these
scurrilous accusations thrown at them. And do we really have any notion
of just what kind of act would be natural in Teletubbyland? Until we can
find a telesociologist, we will never know.

We, as storytellers, must take a stand. We must support the right of any
fictional character to accessorize at will. We can not allow others to
define the sexual orientation of fictional characters (or non-fictional
characters) based solely on inaccurate perceptions. This cuts to the
heart of storytelling and our ability to tell freely. Make no mistake,
this is a pocketbook issue.

I say we should all accessorize in support of Tinky-Winky.

Margaret in Illinois



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 69 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 11, 1999 (18:12) * 1 lines 
 
can't wait till Ree reads this...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 70 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Feb 11, 1999 (19:58) * 1 lines 
 
i fell out of my chair when i heard that. who in the hell cares? we certainly can't tell what sex it is in the first place.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 71 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 11, 1999 (21:50) * 1 lines 
 
can we on closer inspection?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 72 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (08:35) * 1 lines 
 
well, i'll just leave that up to you to take care of seeing as how you know more about them than i do! *grin*


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 73 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (11:57) * 3 lines 
 
Senate Acquits Bill Clinton

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States Senate has acquitted President Clinton on charges of perjury before a federal grand jury and obstruction of justice, assuring that he will not be removed from office. The first article drew a not guilty vote of 55-45. The second was split 50-50. Both charges would have required 67 votes for conviction, a threshold that senators have known for weeks would not be met.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 74 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (12:36) * 1 lines 
 
Frankly, I'm more interested in the tanker off Coos Bay


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 75 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (14:48) * 1 lines 
 
what's happening there?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 76 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (17:58) * 6 lines 
 
set a tanker on fire beacuse it was washed ashore and leaking oil.
a storm was brewing and if they'd left it alone, they felt the oil spill couldn't be contained/stopped.
so... before it could break open and spill it's load... they set it afire.
They tried twice actually. Bringing the special forces of the Navy to finally oss their pyrotechnic weight around.

It's burning now... they don't know how long it will continue


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 77 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Feb 12, 1999 (20:24) * 1 lines 
 
oh! so instead of polluting the water, they're stanking up the air? real good idea.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 78 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Feb 18, 1999 (17:31) * 4 lines 
 
yep.
lesser of two evils I suppose
A sad situation either way.
At least thousands of shore birds didn't have to die a slow and suffocating oil slick death...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 79 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Apr 20, 1999 (16:15) * 65 lines 
 
And here's my fair city...
Bad shit.
Really bad shit.

Students flee scene of
Colorado shooting

Three detained in school
shooting

April 20, 1999
Web posted at: 3:54 p.m. EDT (1954 GMT)

LITTLETON, Colorado (CNN) --
Three men have been detained at
Columbine High School in Littleton,
Colorado, where gunmen earlier
opened fire and wounded at least 14
people. Unconfirmed reports say the
men are friends of the suspects.

Witnesses said at least two gunmen in
black trench coats and masks
opened fire and tossed an explosive
device Tuesday at the high school
southwest of Denver.

At least 14 people have been taken
to hospitals with gunshot wounds,
local television reported. One female
student was shot nine times in the chest, another female student was shot
once in the chest and a male student was shot once in the back.

Nearly two hours after the 11:30 a.m. MDT (1:30 p.m. EDT) shooting,
SWAT team members entered the building and 15 to 20 students fled.
There was no confirmation that the gunmen were still inside, but police said
some students had been hiding in a choir room.

SWAT team members are among the 100 to 200 law enforcement officers
at the scene.

A student named James who called a local TV station said he was locked
inside a classroom and he could hear a lot of crying and screaming out in the
hallway, along with shouted threats.

A girl identified only as Janine told KCNC-TV she saw men in black trench
coats open fire.

"We saw three people get shot," she said. "They were just shooting. They
didn't care who they shot. They were just shooting."

Other witnesses said the gunmen were students, part of a group of outcasts.

Student Jonathon Ladd said he was leaving a technology laboratory when he
saw students running and heard shots ricocheting off lockers.

He said he ran to a nearby park to escape the gunfire.

Columbine High is in the middle-class suburb of Littleton, population
35,000. It opened in 1973 and has an enrollment of about 1,800.

I work about 4 miles away from the school
Many of the employees have children there.

Bad shit.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 80 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 20, 1999 (20:06) * 2 lines 
 
this is what I came to on the news...
how are you doing, Stace?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 81 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Apr 21, 1999 (11:10) * 5 lines 
 
pretty yuck.

Brandon flew home early last night, thanking his lucky stars all the way that I was no longer teaching.
Makes me never want to have children
Lotsa tears round here


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 82 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Apr 21, 1999 (18:37) * 225 lines 
 

LITTLETON, Colorado (CNN) --
After word from the bomb squad that
a suburban Denver high school was
safe, investigators entered the building
on Wednesday to collect evidence
and photograph the scene of the
rampage that left 15 people dead,
including two teen-age suspects.

Agonized parents braced for the
worst as bodies remained inside
Columbine High School while police
scoured the building for potential
bombs and booby traps in the
aftermath of Tuesday's terror.

"The investigation is under way,"
Deputy Steve Davis of the Jefferson
County Sheriff's Department said at
midday on Wednesday. "The bomb
team has assured them the building is
safe at this point. We don't feel there
are any other devices we have to
worry about in the building."

Davis said 11 males and four females
were killed. One of the males was an
adult, "probably" a faculty member, he
said. More than 20 people were
wounded, some of them critically.

While some of the fatalities and
injuries came from gunfire, others
were the result of explosions, Davis
said.

"It was a combination of both," he
told CNN. "We had victims ... that
had wounds consistent with shrapnel
and consistent with gunshot(s). There
were numerous bombs detonated in
this school ... during this assault."

About 30 explosive
devices

Earlier on Wednesday, authorities
reported finding about 30 explosive
devices, including "quite a few" inside
the school.

Authorities identified Eric Harris, 18,
and Dylan Klebold, 17, both juniors
at Columbine, as the two gunmen wearing black trench coats who laughed
and hooted as they opened fire on classmates with "long rifles and handguns"
and set off explosions before killing themselves.

In addition to unexploded bombs found inside the school, other explosive
devices were located in the suspects' cars and bomb-making material was
found at Harris' home, police said.

Some of the explosives were on timers, Davis said. The bombs were "easily
made and most of the components can be purchased at any hardware
store," he said, without identifying the materials.

Davis said a computer was seized from the home of one suspect, but did not
know if the suspects used the Internet to obtain bomb-making instructions.

'It looks like a war zone'

Identifying the victims and removing
the bodies could take time, said Sgt.
George Hinkle, a police SWAT team
officer from Lakewood, Colorado,
who has been inside the school. "A lot
of them aren't carrying ID."

"We want to make sure the scene is
fully preserved for court purposes, in
case it turns out there are other
suspects and court cases that may
occur later down the road," said
Hinkle. "Everything has to be
photographed, diagrammed and the
identities established before people
are moved."

He said there were at least "five or
six" explosions inside the school, while
fire sprinklers set off by the blasts left
heavy water damage. "We've got all
the debris that goes with a scene like
this. We've got backpacks all over.
We've got shoes (and) spent shell
casings. It just looks like a war zone,"
Hinkle said.

'We could hear people
pleading for their lives'

Students streamed into Clement Park
next to the school on Wednesday
morning to leave flowers and share
their feelings about the shootings.
"This was out of the blue. Nobody
expected it," student Katie Crena told
CNN.

She and some of her fellow students locked themselves into a classroom
after the violence began. "I thought, 'This is it, I'm going to die,'" Crena said.

"I mean they were so close. They shot the window of the classroom next
door. They tried to get... into our classroom. They were playing with the
handle and then went on. We could hear people pleading for their lives," she
said.

Clinton to parents: 'Shield children from violent
images'

At the White House, President Clinton praised the quick thinking of police
and the courage of students and teachers who rushed to protect each other.

Clinton also said children all over America need to be reassured of their
safety. "We also have to take this moment once again to hammer home to all
the children of America that violence is wrong," the president said
Wednesday.

"And parents should take this moment to ask what else they can do to shield
our children from violent images and experiences that warp young
perceptions and obscure the consequences of violence -- to show our
children by the power of our own example how to resolve conflicts
peacefully."

Attorney General Janet Reno said she may
push to have more counselors in the
nation's schools to avoid problems before
they start.

The country must "make investments in
counselors and support systems that can
help us identify children who are on the
verge of terror and help take steps to
alleviate the problem before it produces
tragedy such as this," she told CNN from
Minneapolis.

Death toll lowered

The attack began when Harris and Klebold, wearing fatigues and
ankle-length black coats, opened fire in the school parking lot around 11:30
a.m. Tuesday before entering the school cafeteria.

Police said they exchanged shots with officers and were later found dead in
the school library with self-inflicted gunshot wounds and bombs around their
bodies. "It appears to be a suicide mission," Jefferson County Sheriff John
Stone said.

No suicide note has been found, authorities said.

Davis said he did not know how the
heavily armed pair obtained their
weapons. It must have taken "quite a
bit of planning to carry that much
equipment and ammunition (into the
school)," he said.

He said Harris and Klebold were the
only suspects, so far. "If, later, our
investigation shows that other people
were involved in either the planning or
the execution of this incident, then certainly we would charge them."

After the four-hour siege ended, police originally said that as many as 25
people may have been killed. By Wednesday morning they revised the
estimated death toll downward to 15.

Four people who knew the suspects, some of them former students, were
questioned in the case and released, police said.

'We're going to kill every one of you'

Many stunned students, parents and residents of Littleton, an affluent Denver
suburb, attended a memorial service Tuesday night, and school officials were
arranging crisis counseling for teens struggling to cope with the massacre, the
most recent of several school shootings nationwide.

While police have not given a motive, several students said Harris and
Klebold were members of a group calling itself the "Trenchcoat Mafia,"
outcasts who bragged about guns and bombs and hated blacks and
Hispanics, as well as student athletes.

With the exception of one
African-American, all of
the fatalities were white,
Davis said.

Students said the
"Trenchcoat Mafia" was
fascinated with World
War II and the Nazis and
noted that Tuesday was
Adolf Hitler's birthday.

Members of the group
don't talk much to other
students and "give people
dirty looks," student Josh
Nielsen told CNN.

The attackers marched into the library of Columbine High School with guns
and pipe bombs, demanding that "all jocks stand up. We're going to kill
every one of you," said student Aaron Cohn.

A gunman looked under a desk in the library and said "Peek-a-boo," then
fired, Cohn said. Anyone who cried or moaned was shot again. One girl
begged for her life, but a gunshot ended her cries, the student said.

Cohn said one killer put a pistol to his head but did not shoot him. Instead,
he said, the shooter turned his attention to a black student, saying, "I hate
niggers." Cohn heard three shots but couldn't see what happened.

"You could hear them laughing and running upstairs," said one student, who
broke down in tears as she recounted the killing spree. "They didn't care
who it was and it was all at close range." .


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 83 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Apr 21, 1999 (18:57) * 2 lines 
 
i am so sorry stacey. i really and truly pray none of them were your students. people try to blame guns for this but that's not the case. they have a warped sense of perception (obviously) and..... what can i say? parents need to know what in the hell is going on with their kids. parents cannot be afraid of them. let them threaten what they will, parents need to be the ones in control. please don't take offense. i know that sometimes things happen and the parents really have no idea and have done everyt
ing they know to do. i hate to think that my babies can't even go to school without feeling threatened! and i'm doing my best to raise them to understand the value of things...of life....of respect for others....of love.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 84 of 251: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (00:39) * 1 lines 
 
I hear that story and think, those kids were somebody's babies just a few years ago...what went wrong? It makes me so glad I decided to homeschool the girls next year.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 85 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Apr 28, 1999 (20:05) * 4 lines 
 
ok, not to panic anyone or anything, but i just saw the strangest thing in the sky.

1950, 28 Apr 99, clear sky, 4 white cylinder looking crafts moved slowly across the sky heading north (coming from the south). they looked like aircraft bodies without wings. my neighbor and i were outside when they flew by. they were moving slowly and i didn't see any wings nor hear any sound. so what in the hell were they? i'm on cnn right now and nothing (you know how they know everything). these things were going the same direction. i've never seen aircraft passively flying by like that before. soon
fter, i did see a regular aircraft fly by at approximately the same height and left an airtrail and wings could be seen. got any ideas?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 86 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (00:41) * 2 lines 
 
got tons of ideas, wolf...
am seriously lacking in good answers, however!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 87 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (08:47) * 1 lines 
 
well, i think it belongs in the paranormal conference under ufo's. copying it over now. until i find out what it was, it's a ufo, right? unidentified flying object.......


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 88 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (14:17) * 1 lines 
 
that's my understanding as well...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 89 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Thu, Apr 29, 1999 (17:29) * 1 lines 
 
ooooooh!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 90 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, May  2, 1999 (10:09) * 1 lines 
 
our boys are in ramstein air base, germany!!!! woohoo!!! (the pow's from kosovo)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 91 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sun, May  2, 1999 (11:52) * 1 lines 
 
Wonder if any of them will pick up a copy of SUPERSTAR?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 92 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, May  2, 1999 (13:58) * 1 lines 
 
think that's the last thing on their mind *grin* but they're superstars now, for sure!!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 93 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Mon, May  3, 1999 (10:08) * 1 lines 
 
You guys tell them. All big (civillian) airports, all trainstations. If they buy it, our circulation will triple!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 94 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, May 24, 1999 (11:44) * 20 lines 
 
ADELAIDE, AUSTRALIA - AP World News via NewsEdge Corporation : Police broke into an abandoned bank vault in a sleepy country town Friday to find the decomposing bodies of at least two, and perhaps up to six murder victims.

The human remains found at Snowtown, north of Adelaide, were in six large plastic barrels, possibly containing a corrosive liquid.

Police who made the gruesome discovery in the old State Bank building on Snowtown's main street said exhaustive forensic tests would be needed to determine exactly how many bodies there were.

Robert Joe Wagner, 27; John Justin Bunting, 32; and Mark Ray Haydon, 40, appeared in court in Adelaide on Friday charged with murder.

Detective Superintendent Paul Schramm of the Major Crime Investigation Branch described the discovery as ``bizarre'' and said it was possible there were more than two bodies at the site.

``There were six containers ... there were remains in all six of the containers but I again reiterate that does not mean to say that there were six bodies.

``Let's wait and see what the scientists say.''

No positive identification had been made but it was believed male and female bodies had been found.

More than 50 police swooped on tiny Snowtown, population 500, following a yearlong investigation into outstanding missing persons files.

[Copyright 1999, Associated Press]



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 95 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, May 24, 1999 (14:20) * 1 lines 
 
gahrosse!!! what tipped them off? i mean, to investigate an abandoned bank vault?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 96 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Mon, May 24, 1999 (15:37) * 1 lines 
 
yucko!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 97 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Tue, May 25, 1999 (09:43) * 1 lines 
 
Maybe somebody claimed a, huh, deposit?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 98 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, May 26, 1999 (08:18) * 1 lines 
 
they could have been subjected to early withdrawal penalties...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 99 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, May 26, 1999 (12:45) * 16 lines 
 
COCOA BEACH, FLA. - The Associated Press via NewsEdge Corporation : A top Russian space official found semiconscious on a beach was arrested after attacking two emergency medical workers, authorities said.

Vladimir Lobachev, 61, of Moscow, was released from jail Monday after posting $1,000 bond on two charges of battery.

Lobachev is in Florida as a visiting dignitary for Thursday's launch of the space shuttle Discovery, a NASA official said. He is director of the Russian space program's Mission Control Center in Korolev, a suburb of Moscow.

According to an arrest report, police arrived at the Cocoa Beach pier Sunday to find Lobachev _ semiconscious, face down in the sand, and wearing boxer shorts.

He was transported to Cape Canaveral Hospital. But as he was being removed from the ambulance, he roused himself and became combative, police said.

Neither medical worker was seriously hurt, said Orlando Domingez, spokesman for the Fire Rescue agency.

The arrest report said that alcohol may have been a factor.

[Copyright 1999, Associated Press]



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 100 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, May 26, 1999 (12:46) * 2 lines 
 
oh my



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 101 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Sat, May 29, 1999 (05:07) * 3 lines 
 
Those Russians! These people do things right - when y'alls boys were coming down soft on water, they seriously hit the turf! Straight drop orbit to soil! And they work on getting this giant swimming launch pad together, supposedly because some functionaries don't fancy Baikonur weather anymore.

Plus they seem to know how to party REAL hard.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 102 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sun, May 30, 1999 (13:11) * 1 lines 
 
which is almost always a plus


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 103 of 251: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jun  1, 1999 (12:23) * 14 lines 
 
LENA, MISS. - The Associated Press via NewsEdge Corporation : A stage collapsed during a festival bikini contest at a drag race, injuring at least seven people.

Witnesses said a man in the crowd tried to climb onto the stage to get to the contestants Sunday just before the front half of the stage caved in, sending bikini-clad women and other performers crashing to the ground.

The contest was part of the Pre-Memorial Day Street and Strip Grudge Match Shootout at Lake Slipaway Drag Strip in Leake County.

Bobby Cleveland, a sports reporter for The Clarion Ledger of Jackson, who was there, said 31 women were competing in the beauty contest.

``They had announced at least five or six times that there were too many people on the stage and people were going to have to get down,'' said Cleveland. Cleveland said when the unidentified man in the crowd climbed on the stage, two security guards moved toward him and the stage collapsed.

Malone Ambulance Service transported at least seven people, including members of a band that had been performing, who had leg, back and other injuries, Teresa Malone said. Four were treated at a local hospital and three others, including one contestant, were taken to Jackson hospitals, she said. The injuries were not life-threatening.

[Copyright 1999, Associated Press]



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 104 of 251: Autumn Moore  (autumn) * Fri, Jun 11, 1999 (15:14) * 1 lines 
 
Just incredibly embarrassing.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 105 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Sun, Jun 13, 1999 (04:19) * 1 lines 
 
The straw that broke the donkeys back?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 106 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (06:26) * 81 lines 
 
Police nab fugitive from group that kidnapped Patty Hearst

 
CNN's Charles Feldman looks back at the history of the SLA

Kathleen Soliah found after more than 20 years in hiding

June 16, 1999
Web posted at: 9:32 p.m. EDT (0132 GMT)


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In this story:

Husband says he didn't know about her past

Hearst saga sensational story of 1970s

Soliah accused of putting bombs under police cars

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ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- An alleged member of the Symbionese Liberation Army, the 1970s radical group that gained fame by kidnapping newspaper heiress Patty Hearst, was arrested Wednesday after more than two decades in hiding.

Kathleen Ann Soliah, 52, who married a doctor and now has three daughters, was arrested on charges that she conspired with other members of the SLA to plant bombs and kill police officers in Los Angeles.

FBI officials said Soliah, who had been living under the alias Sara Jane Olson, was taken into custody at a stop sign while driving a mini-van near her home in St. Paul's fashionable Highland Park neighborhood.

Los Angeles police Det. Tom King, who was with the arresting officers, described Soliah as "surprised and relieved."

Last month, on the 25th anniversary of a shoot-out in Los Angeles in which six SLA members were killed, the FBI offered a $20,000 reward for Soliah's capture. She was also featured on an episode of the television program "America's Most Wanted," and tips from viewers led authorities to her.

Husband says he didn't know about her past

St. Paul police spokesman Michael Jordan said Soliah's husband, Gerald Peterson, has told authorities he was unaware of his wife's past. Her daughters are ages 12, 17 and 18. Soliah, in black dress, acted in many plays at a local theater in Minneapolis  

"He had no idea what was going on here," Jordan said. "I feel sorry for the guy."

During her life in Minnesota, Soliah became involved in community theater and was described by one friend as a "great actress."

"It's not like she paraded around in a beret or anything," said Steve Antenucci, manager of Theater in the Round in Minneapolis, where Soliah performed in eight shows. "Everyone liked her. She was very nice, very intelligent and had a great sense of humor."

Her most recent performance -- for which she won an award -- was in a one-act play called "Tall Tales."

Neighbors describe her as a well-spoken and friendly woman, an avid jogger and gardener.

"She seemed very classy," said Gary Price, the neighborhood's regular mailman since 1983.

Hearst saga sensational story of 1970s

The leftist radicals of the SLA gained fame in 1974 when they kidnapped Hearst, then 19, from an apartment in Berkeley, California. They demanded that her wealthy parents, Randolph and Catherine Hearst, distribute $6 million worth of food to the needy to secure her return. Hearst as SLA member "Tania"  

Two months after the kidnapping, Hearst, who had adopted the name Tania, was photographed carrying a weapon during an SLA holdup of a San Francisco bank. After police captured Hearst in 1975, she claimed that she had been brainwashed into participating in the SLA's crimes.

Hearst's ordeal and trial became one of the most sensational news stories of the 1970s. She was convicted of bank robbery and served two years of a seven-year prison term before President Jimmy Carter commuted her sentence. Today, she's a married mother living in Connecticut.

"This is all so old," she told WCBS-AM radio when asked for a response to Soliah's arrest. "I don't want to be drawn into all of this."

Soliah accused of putting bombs under police cars

Soliah was indicted in 1976 by a Los Angeles grand jury on charges of conspiracy to commit murder of police officers and possession of explosives for allegedly placing pipe bombs under two police cars. The bombs did not go off.

The FBI has also accused her of committing other bombings and bank robberies as a member of the SLA.

King said Soliah left the United States at some point and lived in Africa for nine years. A warrant for her arrest drawn up in March said that her parents told the FBI in 1984 that she was living outside California, had a new identity, two children and was married to a man who knew both her true name and fugitive status.

It is unclear whether she was married to Peterson at the time.

The warrant, which also charged Soliah with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, said that in 1989 she attempted to negotiate a surrender through her lawyer. But those negotiations failed because she requested complete immunity.

At least one other former SLA member is still at large -- James Kilgore, Soliah's boyfriend during her SLA days. He was profiled on the same "America's Most Wanted" program, but FBI spokeswoman Coleen Rowley said Wednesday she wasn't aware of any leads on Kilgore.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 107 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (07:07) * 9 lines 
 
Guess who the following paragraph reminded me of:

"Everyone liked her. She was very nice, very intelligent and had a great sense of humor." [...]

Neighbors describe her as a well-spoken and friendly woman, an avid jogger and gardener.

"She seemed very classy," said Gary Price, the neighborhood's regular mailman since 1983.

End of quote.-


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 108 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (09:37) * 1 lines 
 
who, alex?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 109 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:07) * 3 lines 
 
Uh, I get it. A bit of it fits all of us, and we wished, the other bit would, too.

The gardening-jogger-w/-humour thing originally reminded me of our Colorado range raider. Wonder what skeletons she got in her closet. (*shudder*)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 110 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:09) * 1 lines 
 
Probably nosy publisher hung to dry, or the like...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 111 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:41) * 5 lines 
 
*cackle*
skeletons, schmeletons!

'sides I talk TOOOOO much to ever keep a secret like that!
(but thanks for thinking of me!)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 112 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (10:50) * 1 lines 
 
Please notice, dear Everybody, that "classy" basically applies to everybody around this side of town, but Wer ("A league of his own") and me (won't ever make the grade...).


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 113 of 251: Autumn   (autumn) * Sat, Jun 26, 1999 (21:25) * 1 lines 
 
ha-ha! Of you two the mailman will say, "He seemed so fey..."


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 114 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (05:08) * 1 lines 
 
?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 115 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (09:32) * 67 lines 
 
Murder suspect says he fathered child with intent to kill the infant

Ronald Shanabarger confessed to suffocating his infant son

June 28, 1999
Web posted at: 8:23 AM EDT (1223 GMT)


FRANKLIN, Indiana (AP) -- Ronald L. Shanabarger planned his revenge against his wife for several years: He wanted to father their son and then kill him, police said.

Shanabarger told police he planned the crime as a way of exacting punishment on his wife, Amy, who had refused to cut short a vacation to comfort him when his father passed away.

"Shanabarger said he planned to make Amy feel the way he did when his father died," according to an affidavit prosecutors filed to support a murder charge.

Last Tuesday, just hours after the funeral of his seven-month-old son, Tyler, Shanabarger confessed to his wife that he'd killed their son. A coroner had ruled the infant died from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.

The next day, Shanabarger allegedly told police he suffocated his infant son with plastic wrap. He told officers he dreamed up the crime after his father died in 1996.

The affidavit said Shanabarger's plan included marrying Amy and getting her pregnant. He then "allowed time for her to bond with the child, and then took his life," the affidavit said.

Shanabarger, 30, who begged officers to shoot him after he confessed last Wednesday, is being held without bail. He is due in court Monday.

Johnson County Prosecutor Lance Hamner hasn't decided whether to seek the death penalty because the investigation is ongoing.


Tyler Shanabarger was seven months old when he was killed

"It's the most bizarre case that I've ever had any dealings with and probably the most bizarre motive I've ever heard of," Hamner said Sunday.

In his confession, Shanabarger said that on the evening of June 19, he wrapped plastic wrap around his son's head and face, then left the boy's nursery to get something to eat and brush his teeth.

Twenty minutes later, he said, he returned, removed the plastic and placed Tyler face down in the crib before he went to bed.

Amy Shanabarger, 29, had been working that night at her job as a cashier at a grocery store. When she came home, she went straight to bed, assuming that Tyler was asleep, and found the boy's body the next morning -- Father's Day.

Shanabarger, who worked at a tire retreading center, told police he confessed because the image of his son's face -- flat and purplish from rigor mortis -- haunted him.

Since then, he's confessed at least three times, Police Chief Harry Furrer said Sunday. Each time, the story has been the same -- that he hatched his plan because he was enraged by his then-girlfriend's refusal to cut short a cruise and return home after his father's death in October 1996.

The Shanabargers were married the following May.

Detectives, who have interviewed relatives, confirmed that Shanabarger had long resented Amy's refusal to cut the cruise short, Furrer said. "Their statements substantiate his confession," he said.

The Rev. Randy Maynard, a volunteer chaplain for Franklin police, accompanied officers to the couple's home in this town south of Indianapolis on Father's Day.

While most parents of children who die from SIDS are weeping and consoling each other when authorities arrive, Maynard said Shanabarger was cold, distant and offered no comfort to his sobbing wife.

And after Mrs. Shanabarger's parents arrived later that morning, Shanabarger gave his father-in-law a Father's Day gift -- a gift-wrapped commemorative knife -- Maynard said. Shanabarger then passed the knife around, showing it to the officers.

"That really struck me as odd," he said.

Maynard said he's still troubled by the image of Tyler's tiny face.

"He was a beautiful boy," he said. "Even in death, he was just the most beautiful boy. I'm still getting goose bumps thinking about this guy."

Shanabarger's father-in-law, Robert Parsons, wears a tiny gold cherub pin to remind him of his grandson, who was born Thanksgiving Day. He won't discuss his son-in-law, but says his daughter, an only child, is devastated.

"I don't want people to just to talk about a six- or seven-month-old infant -- a nameless, faceless infant. He was a little boy, he played, he laughed, he loved. We loved him dearly and that's what this is all about," said Parsons, 52.

"We don't want vengeance, but we do want justice."

Neil S. Kaye, a forensic psychiatrist who specializes in investigating infanticide cases committed by fathers, said he's never heard of a similar crime.

"A lot of times people say this or that crime was just too complicated of a plan to be anything other than a sign of pure wickedness," said Kaye, of Wilmington, Delaware.

"But science would say otherwise, that this man was delusional and you have to wonder about his overall mental state, his mental capacity," said Kaye.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 116 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Feb  7, 2036 (04:36) * 3 lines 
 
geez louise.....

a guy here suffocated his baby son by stuffing a paper towel down his throat. they're having trouble finding a jury to hear the trial. the man said he was drunk when it happened. it took three tries to get all the paper towel out. people are nuts.....


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 117 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jun 30, 1999 (11:07) * 1 lines 
 
that's gross...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 118 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  1, 1999 (23:11) * 5 lines 
 
i know, but they finally got a jury and the man was convicted with a death sentence tonight (his name is deal) and his son was only 11 weeks old. ok, so like, where was his mother? first, deal said he was cleaning out the baby's mouth, then the news folks said deal wanted the crying to stop. geez....

sick people, uneducated. but that guy who plotted the whole thing is really just plain wacked.

alright, can we have some happy news now?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 119 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Fri, Jul  2, 1999 (03:29) * 7 lines 
 
Like the WWII-collectible (aka bomb) that blew up in a strawberry field near a village about 20 kilometers from here? A happy thing is, there are only strawberry casualties...

Another old bomb was found this week beneath railway tracks and properly detonated after evacuating the area.

Talking of collectibles: the first KFOR-soldiers killed in the mission died in the attempt of defusing a NATO splitter bomb.

More fun to come, as the military will clean out the land mines.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 120 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Fri, Jul  2, 1999 (03:31) * 2 lines 
 
Sorry, but that's as cheerful as it gets around these premises at the moment.
.=/


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 121 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Jul  2, 1999 (21:31) * 2 lines 
 
ok, well, i've got some good newsworthy news: a two year old girl in nothing but her diaper was sitting on her porch in texarkana arkansas this morning. her parents were still asleep (how did she get out you ask?). a guy riding a bike snatched her off the porch. a neighbor saw it happen and ran to wake up the parents to call 911. (why didn't he call 911 himself?). they found her this evening and took her to a hospital. it doesn't look like she was harmed. the kidnapper was found several minutes later via
helicopter. turns out the man had been seen by the child's parents the night before prowling about the victim's home and the neighborhood. he was asking about the family that lived there. hmmmm....i guess people prowl about yards all the time up there, nothing to worry about. but, i'm glad the baby girl is safe none-the-less and hope that the parents remember to lock the door tonight.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 122 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Tue, Jul  6, 1999 (14:13) * 4 lines 
 
hey alexander...
strawberries have souls to...

*grin*


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 123 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Thu, Jul  8, 1999 (11:15) * 52 lines 
 
Don't tell us!

Marcia might use it as another argument against unfortunate people with ideals...
And we must, repeat WE MUST, preserve idealism, innocence and protect the weak UNDER A L L CIRCUMSTANCES. Oh, forget the part about the weak, but let's defend for others what we have lost ages ago - a cause we believe in. Gives us something to do, too, for the time being. Can't just sit around and watch the telly till I pass away.-

Anyway, ladies and gentlemen - the odds get even, as the youth of the US gets to explain how they feel about things:

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Woman dies two days after traffic fight with teens

July 2, 1999
Web posted at: 4:40 AM EDT (0840 GMT)

DALE CITY, Virginia (AP) -- A 25-year-old woman who authorities say
had her head smashed repeatedly into the street during a traffic argument
with two teen-age girls has died from her injuries.

Natalie Davis died Thursday, two days after police say she was attacked
while driving to a church service with her children, ages 2 and 4, and four
other relatives.

Prosecutor Paul Ebert said Teresa Dixon, 18, and a 16-year-old girl will
now face murder charges. Both suspects were held without bond and a
preliminary hearing was set for Aug. 10.

Ms. Dixon had been charged with aggravated malicious wounding.
Information about the 16-year-old was withheld due to her age, but Ebert
said he will seek to try her as an adult.

Police say Ms. Davis and her family encountered a car blocking the entrance
to the cul-de-sac where they lived Tuesday night. Several girls had gathered
around the car to talk.

Ms. Davis asked the teens to move the car, but the driver of her car
managed to maneuver around it. Two teens followed the family in another
car, police Sgt. Kim Chinn said.

Words were exchanged, and after a short distance, Ms. Davis and the 16-year-old girl left their cars to argue, Ms. Chinn said. The teen eventually grabbed Ms. Davis by her hair and pounded her head into the pavement, she said.

Dixon allegedly joined in, stomping on Ms. Davis' head, police said. One of
Ms. Davis' relatives flagged down a police officer.

Copyright 1999 The Associated Press.
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Makes the offshore US-watcher wonder who'll score next, and why ARE you folk drawn to violence like moths to light?

"It's the man, not the plastic bag" and "It's the teen, not the tarmac", the next thing after "It's the trench coat, not the kid" ?

Wow. These are the nineties, that is your society. Tell me more about it at
http://tvnight.org/yapp-bin/public/read/cultures/27 .


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 124 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul  8, 1999 (11:35) * 5 lines 
 
please, please watch the overgeneralizations...
I don't believe all Germans were and supported Nazism... yet is was indeed 'your' society... and I'm not sure there were many sensical answers to the question 'why' fifty years ago...

perhaps I am willing to believe it may get worse before it gets better (like WWII) and after such 'atrocities' as you just mentioned are so widely rampant, perhaps we will realize the insanity and lunacy involved thus becoming a more tolerant and less violent country...
if you have suggestions though... feel free!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 125 of 251: Alexander Schuth  (aschuth) * Thu, Jul  8, 1999 (14:38) * 56 lines 
 
"feel free!" - just the thing I've done... ;=}

Interesting reply, let's look at it:

"I don't believe all Germans were and supported Nazism"
- but the great majority WAS all faschist, many before and most after the Nazis took over, and there was a great strain of antisemitism, which since the Middle Ages had led to pogroms, though not on as large a scale.
So, yes, chauvinism and faschism WAS a general trait of German society since the early thirties (as was a certain mysticism...). Of course not EVERYBODY was a party member or liked the faschists, but these either shut up, emigrated or were "taken care of", as we all know. Socialists, union members, devout christians, etc. who were e.g. in state-employment got early retirement (police officers, mayors, bureaucrats) or else.

And the people of Germany didn't do anything about it, because the majority liked what they got out of the deal, and any minorities were silenced.

"yet is was indeed 'your' society" -
not likely, Stacey. I wasn't born then, and I do not believe in inheriting guilt and debts from the ancestors.
I do derive from the fact that I know about these things and how the mechanics of this worked, and that I live in this historically charged-up area, a certain OBLIGATION to warn, make aware of, flap the clap, mouth off, whatever somebody might call it. Something like a duty, to not let the victims be for nothing - there is a lesson in the story. Gotta learn it, gotta have more people understand something about people.

Duty for the Future NOW! (to quote DEVO) Something that might help us all to improve the human condition by changing the way we interact. See the personality in the opposite person, not just some impersonal opposition.

Our society, Stacey, is where we live NOW. We are part of a global, cooperating new society. We will have to learn new rules for this; meanwhile, we live in our communities in our respective countries and I guess, yea! we share responsibility with the other folks there to have things work out alright. We work this by voting, saying what's on our mind, participating in the society's rituals of decision-finding. Or just accept things as given.

Now think of environmental problems or gun-laws, tax or education problems, and you see what I mean. It is YOUR country, and it is is YOUR society, and yea! again (plus excuse me for shouting, but I feel so dramatic: )
- IT IS YOUR THING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Or not, if you're happy with it.

"I'm not sure there were many sensical answers to the question'why' fifty years ago" -
but there were! Look at what was published in the Twenties, and what has happened to the country in the aftermath of WWI, it may not be obvious that things HAD to turn this way or that (I think they never had to), but many things and ideas that the faschists used were widely accepted by most people.
Patriotism, the punishing Versailles Treaty, losing parts of the country, losing the army, losing the head-of-state and the monarchy, racism - even based on fake science, unemployment after the big Black Friday crash on Wallstreet - which destroyed lots of German capital invested in the States, inflation (got some old bank notes from that time, made out to billions...)...

The Nazis' ideas of a national socialism appealed to many. Empower the lower classes, create jobs, stop war reparations, find a new national identity (in a country that only existed since the end of the French-German war of 1870/71), become a sovereign country with own armed forces again.
Heroic ideals, new architecture, a new age. Progress! Wellbeing!
(By the way, did you know the Nazis had a BIG purge themselves in the mid-thirties? Killed or degraded the whole more socialist wing, and developed a more mystic programme - that's when the SS came up bigtime.)

Think of your country's New Deal era, and how everybody loved state intervention suddenly... Same time, same problem, same solution. Just to serve different means in the end. All based on different interests - the big capital wanted the monarchy back, so did the military and aristocracy (who all hated Hitler as low caste without style, as being pathetic, but nevertheless tried to utilize him for their benefit and got run over on the way). The workers wanted food and homes. The businesses wanted competitio
taken care of. Big opportunities for many people - and the party offered even working-class folks a rise to power just by being hard-working and loyal... Afterwards, everybody had good excuses and didn't know about any untoward things at all. Heard about something, perhaps, but seen...? Never!

Or look at the McCarthyism in the US. There are some similarities in how the people perceived and supported or ignored these things, and how afterwards nobody really knew a thing about it. Nobody was really responsible, only the bad guy. One (1) person. Even forced Charly Chaplin (!) to leave the States as suspected communist. Repeating patterns...

"perhaps we will realize the insanity and lunacy involved thus becoming a more tolerant and less violent country..." -
so, what's this, do I have a point here or what!

Stacey, I DO hope it will not get any worse before there is a catharsis. I would not happily live in such times. But yes, it looks very different from the outside, compared to what you see in other places. Serbia and Rwanda, for example - anybody understands easily that the massacres and cruelties aremotivated by ethnic chauvinism.

It is not all gang fights in the States, supremacism, there is no war declared on the offspring, nor do husbands kill their wifes (or vice versa) as members of a "Singles Liberation Front". And yet - why is so much happening? What is the lowest common denominator in the US, I wonder?

Also be aware that the US sets an example to the world. Many things are copied all over the world, and yes, the rise of violence in the US is mimicked in other places, too. It's not only Coke, Rock 'n' Roll and Levis, or for the younger folks, baggys, hiphop and Coke. How and when did e.g. the heroin consumption in Europe escalate (which was not THAT heavy a problem in itself, as heroin's a downer - crack and cocain are the current dope, and they make users more, ahem, lively...)?

And may I point out that any possible "Millenium" hysteria is still - as I see it - no excuse for running around and doing stupid things? Nobody "forces" the aggresssors to do something. They are fully responsible for their beliefs, and acts, and the results of these.

There is more, but it's so hard for me to express without running danger of being seriously misunderstood - something I have lots of experience with, especially with US citizens involved (Springizens excluded).


Hmh, so many characters. And what does all this teach us in the end?

(a) Don't overgeneralize, else you gotta type a lot.

(b) And people might think you don't respect them, though respect them you do
(if I wouldn't, the post above wouldn't be there).

Let's continue this in the topic I put up, to keep to the point easier.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 126 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Thu, Jul  8, 1999 (15:13) * 23 lines 
 
Overgeneralization also makes a statement come across as ignorant and not well thought out.
You obviously thought out your response.
Here's mine.
I do think it will get worse before it gets better.
People in our country are fumbling around for answers but refusing to listen to the answers that don't appeal to them.
Guns-- can of worms, a citizen's right? the root of all evil? merely a machine?
Television -- can of worms, window to a global perspective? mechanism for free thinking creativity? scandal box? sex box? root of all evil? merely a machine?
Desintigration of family units -- can of worms, women seeking independence from their formerly oppressive life of home and children? ramifications of a finiancially focused society? people are lazy? the root of all evil?

I personally think that the changes that have taken place in this country over the past twenty years with respect to violence cannot be attributed to ONE culprit. Individuals seem to me to feel less responsibility for building a society in which they desire to live and feel less (in any at all) accountability for their actions.
In a country that prides itself on its freedoms and rights, the difficulty appears to lie in where one man's freedom violates another man's human rights. We are fortunate to have those principles/ideas that other countries do not have, but crossing those fine lines seems to be a unwanted side affect.

I do not like, actually I abhor, statements made generalizing this country as violence accepting...
I believe the statement is false and made by people who really have no idea what the society over here believes. If you want to learn something about someone else's life and society, ask questions, don't make offensive statements.

In the past 2 1/2 months I've watched an entire city from very up close try and come to terms with an act of extreme violence. I've watched the cycle of mourning and blame and forgiveness and questioning and I've watched people turn to a god to look for answers because they feel so helpless to find them in this reality.
When you or anyone else makes statements about 'accepting violence' I know that you are not talking about MY reality and certainly not MY society.
When I go home, I return to a televisionless house prompted by a disgust for the horror and ridiculousness I find in even the daily news.

To throw up your hands in frustration and not be able to give an answer to the why does not imply acceptance. I believe it implies fatigue and sadness and frustration and fear.

Certianly keep this topic open.
Everyone is certainly aware of my pet peeve (one of many, to be sure!) and I will continue to call anyone on the overgeneralization bit...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 127 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Jul  8, 1999 (19:00) * 4 lines 
 
i'll go back and read all of that. so if i repeat ideas presented above, my apologies.

i think something we're forgetting is all the good people out there. do you know that the summer before last, i was driving home with some friends and witnessed an assault in broad daylight. we pulled over and called the police, the attacker started to run off, we took the victim and sheltered her. do you know 4 more cars stopped by? and one man took off after the attacker to try to sustain him for the police (the attacker managed to get away). race was not a factor although the attacker was black and t
e victim was white. black and white folks were among the mix of witnesses. so i'd like to say that there are good people in the world and in the U.S. and i'd also like to say that there are things that go on here that i don't agree with, but also there are things that go on elsewhere that i don't believe in. but i don't hate the people who are ruled by those governments. and i can't assume that because some things are going bad (which, of course, is highly publicized) makes the whole place rotten.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 128 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Aug 27, 1999 (17:06) * 30 lines 
 
And some beautiful good news to brighten this day...
(sorry if it's too long... it's worth reading!)

August 26, 1999
Web posted at: 11:05 AM EDT (1505 GMT)


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Her poignant e-mail messages from Kosovo chronicled her family's desperate situation much in the same way that Anne Frank's diaries put a human face on the Holocaust.

Now the girl's real name and face are no longer a mystery.

"Adona," a 16-year-old ethnic Albanian whose Internet missives were read to thousands of listeners over National Public Radio, flew Wednesday to meet her e-mail pen pal from Berkeley.

Kujtesa Bejtullahu kept her identity secret while her family hid from Serbians in the Kosovo capital of Pristina. She shared her thoughts and fears by e-mail with Finnegan Hamill, a 16-year-old Berkeley High School student and Youth Radio reporter.

The correspondence began in January after a peace worker who had just returned from Kosovo visited Hamill's church and gave him the address.

Bejtullahu's messages often were filled with disturbing and violent accounts of the war. The girl said she regularly saw people being killed, routed from their homes and moved from place to place as they tried to stay alive.

In mid-March, the messages suddenly ceased, presumably because the electricity at her family's home had been cut off. Hamill kept a worried vigil as reports of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo increased.

Hamill was able to make contact with Adona a few days later over the phone. She told him her family was huddled in their home with little food or water.

Wednesday night, Hamill said he had butterflies in his stomach as he met her face-to-face with flowers and a hug.

Bejtullahu came to the United States along with three other teens from Pristina to complete her high school education. She is part of a group known as the PostPessimists, which campaigns against ethnic rivalry. While in Berkeley, Bejtullahu will stay with Gretchen Carlson, who heard the girl's messages on the radio.

"I feel differently about Kujtesa, because I heard her words on NPR," Carlson said. "I don't think any woman alive, especially a mother, didn't feel a helplessness at not being able to protect a child in circumstances like that."

The First Congregational Church of Berkeley has raised $25,000 to support the teens during their stay, but $50,000 more is needed for tuition, clothing and health insurance.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 129 of 251: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (09:02) * 9 lines 
 

The Hunger Site at the U.N..... All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors.
All you do is go to the site and click. But you're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others.

Visit the site and pass the word.

http://www.thehungersite.com




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 130 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (10:27) * 3 lines 
 
And it's legit too!




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 131 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (10:46) * 4 lines 
 
d'ya think I'd send anything otherwise???
*smile*

BTW... what's with the dead dolls on the Spring Cam... they're scary...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 132 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (10:51) * 2 lines 
 
What dead dolls?



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 133 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (13:38) * 36 lines 
 
From the BBC:
Japanese officials struggling to contain the worst nuclear accident in the country's history say they believe the situation has
now stabilised.
More than 300,000 people living in the area have been told they can leave
their homes but there is still a 350-metre "exclusion zone" around the plant.
However, fears persist over the effects of fallout from the accident. Officials told residents caught out in Thursday evening
rain showers to wash their clothing and said locally grown vegetables should not be eaten.
Radiation levels soared to 15,000 times the normal level just after the
accident - schools were shut, train services halted and farmers were warned not to harvest their crops until safety checks
had been carried out.
But officials say radiation levels outside the plant have now returned to normal, and local residents are no longer at serious
risk. They issued the statement after operators drained coolant water and carried out a number of other measures to
reduce the risk of contamination resulting from a leak
inside the uranium processing plant.
The Governor of Ibaraki Prefecture, Masaru Hashimoto, said he had received confirmation at 0615 (2115GMT) that the
nuclear chain reaction at the uranium processing plant had stopped. The aftermath of the accident coincided with the
arrival on Friday of a second British ship carrying a cargo of plutonium for Japan's nuclear power industry. The Pacific
Pintail docked in Takahama, 400km (248 miles) southwest of Tokyo.
More than 30 workers at the Tokaimura plant are thought to have been exposed to radiation. Two are in a critical condition
and are expected to be given bone marrow transplants. The victims include builders who had been working at the plant,
people who live nearby and firemen who helped in the rescue. Human error
Officials said workers had caused the accident at the plant by pouring too much uranium solution into a tank.
Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi criticised the response to the accident, saying it had taken too long for experts to
assess the seriousness
of the situation. He also held an emergency meeting of the cabinet which set up a special task force - the first time it has
taken such a measure after a nuclear accident.
Washington has meanwhile announced that a joint American and Russian team is being sent to Japan. Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiromu Nonaka said it was very likely there had been a "criticality incident" at the plant. Criticality is the
point at which a nuclear chain reaction becomes
self-sustaining.
The French nuclear institute said the incident was the 60th in the world since 1945, following 33 such accidents in the
United States and 19 in the former Soviet Union.
One of the workers reportedly told an official that he had used about 16kg of uranium - nearly eight times the normal
amount - during the process just before the accident. Workers normally use up to 2.3kg of uranium in each procedure to
prevent a criticality accident, officials said.




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 134 of 251: John Burnett  (mrchips) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (21:17) * 6 lines 
 
This is a really terrific thing.
The Hunger Site at the U.N.

This is a really cool website. All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors. All you do is go to the site and click. But, you're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others. Visit the site and pass the word.

http://www.thehungersite.com


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 135 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (21:22) * 1 lines 
 
Yup...thanks for posting it. Stacey posted it, too. I think I will post it in Drool, also


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 136 of 251: John Burnett  (mrchips) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (21:52) * 1 lines 
 
Thanks for sending it. I got it from three sources today. I have a feeling that cyber button is going to be punched a lot in the near future. At least, I hope so!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 137 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Oct  1, 1999 (21:57) * 1 lines 
 
Yes! It is too important to leave unforwarded and unheralded. Thanks for doing your part!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 138 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (10:06) * 6 lines 
 
They're legalizing marijuana in Switzerland?

You know the Ricola commercial, they had a takeoff on Leno the other night
of the guy blowing the huge horn, and he stopped and exhaled smoke.




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 139 of 251: Alexander  (aschuth) * Tue, Nov  2, 1999 (14:44) * 3 lines 
 
Well, probably just grant growing certain sorts for fibers or oil (both extremely low on THC). This has happened over the last two-three years in Germany, too. A new cash crop - will feed, clothe and can be used to make paper.

I have driven by hemp fields every year since 1996, I think. There's always a farmer somewhere trying it out (like they did with sweet corn and pumpkin in the last few years, too).


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 140 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov  2, 1999 (16:58) * 3 lines 
 
I gather hemp cultivation is not illegal in Germany as it is in the US (so we do it in lava tubes here and under grow lights and it is 9' tall when mature!)

This Springeur and others in Hawaii moved 1000 miles closer to the Mainland US and our Mother, Spring. (The time change, dontcha know!)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 141 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov  2, 1999 (17:25) * 4 lines 
 
In case I missed anyone with Email, the shooting at the Xerox facility was in Honolulu on Oahu, 5 islands away from us and 200
miles west. Thanks for expressing your concern - I am fine, thank you!




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 142 of 251: Isabel  (Isabel) * Wed, Nov  3, 1999 (15:18) * 1 lines 
 
Just two days ago a sixteen year old in Bavaria shot three people out of his parents house, hurt several others and then killed his sister and himself. It's the first time I heard of something like this happening in Germany...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 143 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Nov  3, 1999 (20:31) * 1 lines 
 
oh my.....


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 144 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Tue, Nov  9, 1999 (15:04) * 5 lines 
 
ahhh... seems everyone has been sucked into the bad news...

well...
READ THIS...
GOOD NEWS



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 145 of 251: Stacey Vura  (stacey) * Tue, Nov  9, 1999 (15:04) * 62 lines 
 
High-flying at 100, Ohio man still enjoys getting up there

Ralph Charles stands next to his plane


November 9, 1999
Web posted at: 2:42 p.m. EST (1942 GMT)

SOMERSET, Ohio (AP) -- Ralph Charles has been around airplanes long enough to have known Charles Lindbergh, flown with Eleanor Roosevelt and caught a glimpse of Orville Wright.

And at 100, he's still able to enjoy planes from the vantage he loves most: the cockpit.

"When I saw my first airplane, I thought it was like a magic carpet," Charles said. "I still think of planes that way."

About 300 people showed up Sunday to celebrate his centennial a day early at his Somerset home, about 39 miles east of Columbus. Fellow aviation buffs arrived in 13 planes and two helicopters that flew in to a landing strip on the 23-acre site.

Charles had stopped flying in the 1940s at his late wife's request. But he bought a plane two years ago, and received a student pilot's license from the Federal Aviation Administration last year. Now he goes on joyrides and attends aviation events every week.

He's probably the nation's oldest student pilot, and perhaps its oldest licensed pilot of any kind. FAA spokesman Roland Herwig said that, as far as he can determine, the agency's oldest fully licensed pilots are both 96.

The love affair with flying began long ago.

Charles enlisted in the Army during World War I in hopes of learning to fly, but the war ended before he got the chance. His welding skill got him a job at the Rinehart-Whelan Aviation School in Dayton, where he repaired and maintained planes.

"There were maybe 10 pilots in the whole state back then, and I got acquainted with them while working on their planes," he said.

It was there that he occasionally saw Orville Wright working in the shop, though he never spoke to the aviation pioneer, who lived in Dayton.

"Orville lived in seclusion and didn't like people to know where he lived," he said.

Charles said he wanted to fly so badly he built his own plane, but didn't know how to fly it. Eventually, he talked Bernard Whelan, one of Wright's first trained fliers, into giving him lessons.

"I had about four hours of training before my first flight," Charles said. "After showing I could take off and land three times with success, they let me go and fly the plane I built."

He made his share of mistakes -- including a landing made with his gear left up. "I realized my mistake when I saw the propeller getting shorter," he said.

In the early 1920s, steel-bodied planes were replacing wooden-bodied aircraft and steel repair experts were in demand. So when Rinehart-Whelan folded, Charles got a job with Consolidated Aircraft at Wright Field.

He married in 1925, and said he got through the Depression by building airplanes such as the high-wing two-seater he owns today.

He also began flying charter planes based at the Standard Oil hangar in Newark, New Jersey, where Lindbergh kept a plane in the years following his 1927 solo flight from New York to Paris.

"I'd talk to him at times, but this was after his baby was murdered and he was the saddest person you'll ever see," Charles said.

Eleanor Roosevelt was a passenger on an excursion he flew from Newark in the 1930s while her husband was in office.

"I took her back a box lunch, then went back up and flew the plane," he said.

Charles went to the Caribbean in 1940 to run a charter service in the Virgin Islands.

Three years later, he and his wife, Leona, moved to Columbus, where he tested Helldiver bombers built for the Navy by the former Curtiss-Wright company.

He said he stopped flying because Leona was tired of transferring from state to state. But for the roughly 20 years he owned an auto repair shop -- and the years that followed his 1965 retirement -- the thought of flying again stayed with him.

"Imagine not driving a car for 50 years, only worse," Charles said. "Sometimes when I would mow, I would imagine my tractor was a plane and I was rising up into the sky."

Leona died in 1995 at age 94. They had been married 70 years. Charles, having kept his promise, was ready to return to the skies.

Other than a physical exam every six months, he has no restrictions beyond those of other student pilots.

"I'm not allowed to take passengers and I can only fly 25 miles away from home," he said. "But I don't give a hoot. I just enjoy flying."



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 146 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Nov 10, 1999 (17:49) * 1 lines 
 
that's great!! i hope i'm as active when i'm 100! (not dog years, mind you)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 147 of 251: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 11, 1999 (23:22) * 2 lines 
 
It is a little like lifting the calf each day from the time he is born, and when you are finished you will be able to lift a full-grown bull...but i don't
think it works like that.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 148 of 251: Conf admin  (cfadm) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (10:36) * 25 lines 
 
Bonfire Collapse Kills Five
Up To 30 Injured Taken To Area Hospitals


At least five college students were killed and several others injured early Thursday after logs they were stacking for an annual bonfire collapsed and crushed them, reports CBS affiliate KBTX-TV in Bryan, Texas.

University President Dr. Ray Bowen said up to 30 other individuals were transported to area hospitals with various injuries.

As many as 50 Texas A&M university students were on top of the stack of logs when the accident happened, according to university officials.

The collapse occurred at about 2 a.m. local time.

The bonfire is a yearly event that has been going on since 1909. The bonfire is built prior to the Thanksgiving game with the University of Texas.

The Aggies are set to play archrival Texas on Nov. 26, the day after Thanksgiving.

The bonfire ceremony usually features performances by the Aggie band, school cheers called "yells," and pep talks by administrators, football players and coaches.

But the project hasn't always been trouble-free: One stack collapsed in 1994, but a second was built and ignited.

The accident was the third disaster related to the 43,000-student Texas A&M this fall.

On Sept. 18, five people were killed in the crash of a plane used by the Aggies Over Texas skydiving club, often used by Texas A&M University students and alumni.

On Oct. 10, six college students walking to a fraternity party about two miles west of the campus were killed by a pickup truck driver who had fallen asleep, police said. The victims were four students from Baylor University, one from Texas A&M and one from Southwest Texas State.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 149 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (10:46) * 3 lines 
 
Tragic. A fun thing turns into a disaster. The sports talk shows are
full of it this morning, mostly on http://www.sportsradio1300.com/
on their realaudio server.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 150 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (12:37) * 1 lines 
 
...even in Hawaii we saw a lengthy report on the news, including comments from the President of the University. Tragic, Indeed!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 151 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (19:53) * 4 lines 
 
The BBC Online site has a lengthy story and photographs...terribly sad...
I'd rather not cut ans paste to here - this is something which should be read there...I am so sorry.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_525000/525625.stm



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 152 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (11:34) * 17 lines 
 
Now eleven dead.

Victims:
Miranda Adams, a sophomore in biomedical sciences from Santa Fe, Texas
Christopher Breen of Austin, Texas -- 1997 graduate
Michael Ebanks, a freshman in aerospace engineering from Carrollton, Texas
Jeremy Frampton, a senior psychology major from Turlock, California
Christopher Lee Heard, a freshman in pre-engineering from Houston, Texas
Jamie Hand, a freshman in environmental design from Henderson, Texas
Lucas Kimmel, a freshman in biomedical science from Corpus Christi, Texas
Bryan McClain, a freshman agriculture major from San Antonio
Chad Anthony Powell, a sophomore in computer engineering from Keller, Texas
Jerry Self, a sophomore engineering technology major from Arlington, Texas
Nathan Scott West, a sophomore oceanography major from Bellaire, Texas





 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 153 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (16:52) * 3 lines 
 
and if you'd like to put faces to the names...

http://www.tamu.edu/aggiedaily/students.html


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 154 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (20:35) * 16 lines 
 
This, from Reuters, belongs somewhere in Spring but I am not sure where...Something is terribly wrong here...

Man Jailed for Stealing to Feed 15 Children

NAIROBI (Reuters) - A 60-year-old Kenyan pleaded guilty in court to stealing
food worth 20 U.S. cents to feed his 15 children and two wives, a local
newspaper said on Thursday.

Thomas Ogero, a casual laborer, told the court in a preliminary hearing that
he stole maize, beans and cabbages from a food kiosk because his family
was starving, the East African Standard reported.

``Your honor, you know life is hard and many people are dying of hunger,'' he
told magistrate Gladys Ndeda. ``I did not want my 15 children to die that
way.''



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 155 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (20:52) * 43 lines 
 
Penn State Buses Crash; 106 Hurt, Two Killed

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (Reuters) - Two people were killed and 106 injured
when four charter buses carrying Pennsylvania State University students and
three passenger cars collided early on Sunday, a state police spokeswoman
said.

Six buses were ferrying students from a field trip in New York City back to the
Penn State campus at State College just after midnight when the accident
involving four of the buses occurred on Interstate 80 in Kidder Township,
Pennsylvania, said Pennsylvania State Police spokeswoman Shannon Yates.

Yates said a bus driver and one student were killed and 106 people were
injured. Five of the injured are in serious condition.

``Scores of students were taken to about a half dozen hospitals throughout
the northeast area of the state,'' said a statement released by Penn State
University.

Penn State spokesman Alan Janesch said most of the students have been
treated and released.

More than 100 students were taken to three area churches in White Haven,
Pennsylvania, near where the accident occurred, for emergency shelter.

The students had been out of state as part of a ``Spend a Day in New York''
trip. School officials said about 280 students were on the buses.

Yates said Interstate 80 has been closed while accident investigators at the
scene try to determine what caused the crash.

``It was very foggy. Whether that was a factor in the accident, I don't know,''
Yates said.

Janesch also cited the foggy conditions. ``The buses apparently hit a very
thick patch of fog and put on their emergency flashers,''

School officials said plans were under way for counselors and medical staff to
meet with students as they return to campus on Sunday.

``We offer our condolences to the families of the deceased and we want to do
everything possible to assist the other students who made this trip,'' said
Penn State University president Graham Spanier.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 156 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (14:23) * 4 lines 
 
And in my quest to bring more good news to the forefront...
check out THIS

warning you... I cried...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 157 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (15:18) * 1 lines 
 
I did as well, and I remember them from the event in Kona...incredible. Thanks for bringing this wonderful story to the attention of readers here.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 158 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec  3, 1999 (16:57) * 85 lines 
 
For those who like their news from WAY outside the Spring...this regarding the Mars landing today from the BBC Online:

Nasa engineers are searching for the Mars Polar
Lander (MPL). The spacecraft was supposed to
have touched down on the surface of the Red
Planet at 2015GMT.

Final data from the spacecraft suggested all
systems were working properly and the entry
procedure would go well. But there was no
signal from the MPL at 2039GMT, the first
opportunity it had to contact mission controllers
at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California,
US.

The delay began what could be a long and
anxious wait for scientists who have spent years
working on the $165m probe.

Nasa stressed the lack of a call did not mean the
spacecraft was lost.

"This is not entirely unexpected," said Richard
Cook, MPL's Project Manger. "Obviously we're a
little disappointed not to see a signal (right
away). But we were prepared for this, and we're
going to go ahead and execute our plan as we
described it."

One possibility was that
the lander's computer
slipped into protective
safe mode immediately
after landing, in which
case it would delay
sending its first signal.

Another scenario was
that the probe did not
correctly predict where
to point its antenna. As
it descended through
the atmosphere, the
lander had to keep track of every twist and turn
to keep its bearing.

The first data sent to Earth was supposed to
include information about MPL's health and a
black and white image of the landing site.

Scientists sent MPL to Mars to learn about the
planet's climate by studying layers of dust and
possibly ice during the 90-day mission. It
incorporated Instruments that would measure
vapour in the atmosphere and a claw that could
collect samples to be cooked and analysed for
water.

It even had a microphone on board to record the
first sounds form another world.

Loss of the lander would be a devastating blow
to Nasa. Only 10 weeks ago, the lander's sibling
spacecraft, the $125m Mars Climate Orbiter,
burned up in the planet's atmosphere because
of an embarrassing mix-up over English units
(pounds, feet and inches) and metric units.




















 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 159 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec  3, 1999 (22:22) * 20 lines 
 
Is this under the heading of "The Wages of Sin"???

Retiree Blows Pension on One-Night Stand

NAIROBI (Reuters) - A sugar company employee who took early retirement
lost his $3,600 pension in a one-night orgy of beer, women and song, Kenyan
newspapers reported Thursday.

The man, who was unnamed, cashed his 270,000 shilling pension check as
soon as he stopped work and headed for a bar.

``Feeling thoroughly liquid and hence unstoppable, he set to conquer a
woman from a neighboring country,'' the Kenya Times said. ``The retiree,
together with his newfound lover... proceeded to drown other revelers in free
beers for hours on end.''

When the bars ran out of beer the couple staggered to a hotel. ``I shall now
go for the real thing since the hours seem to be running away,'' the pensioner
declared. When he woke, the woman and the last of his pension were gone.
She was last seen boarding an early-morning long-distance bus.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 160 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (06:54) * 3 lines 
 
Yep, he blew it.




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 161 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (13:08) * 1 lines 
 
Probably not the first or last time that a guy will do something like that...Unfortuantely!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 162 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (20:42) * 3 lines 
 
stacey, thanks for the father-son story. that's a great thing to see!

and that guy deserved what he got. blowing away all that hard earned pension money. geez louise, he'd probably do it again too.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 163 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (21:09) * 1 lines 
 
...a fool and his money...and all that, no?! Could not resist posting it for all to enjoy (and / learn from)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 164 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (18:09) * 1 lines 
 
ok you guys, look up at the sky. you see that huge bright full moon? it's the closest the moon has been to the earth for a whole century! yup, which is why it looks so big. it's beautiful!!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 165 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (18:33) * 3 lines 
 
Yup...full story http://tvnight.org/yapp-bin/restricted/read/geo/24.27

Just before the moon set behind the snow-crowned Mauna Kea this morning I could have read newspapers by it. Very Bright, indeed!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 166 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (09:57) * 5 lines 
 
Wow, that's news outside the Spring for sure, I'll take a look out in
Cedar Creek tonight if possible, where it's usually clear skies unfettered
by too much city haze.




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 167 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (20:57) * 1 lines 
 
i tried to get a pic of the newly risen moon (when it appeared to be at it's largest). put fresh film in my rewind challenged camera and we'll see after about 22 more frames!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 168 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (22:18) * 1 lines 
 
I should get it setting over the snow tomorrow morning as it sinks slowly behind Mauna Kea...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 169 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (15:56) * 20 lines 
 

Send Page
Last updated: Thursday - 16:23
Judge Allows Wife to Fulfill Adultery Bet
LUSAKA (Reuters) - High court judges say a Zambian housewife is free to be
adulterous until February 22, 2000, in a bizarre bet to prove she can have a
baby, newspapers reported on Wednesday.
The marriage of 37-year-old Dorothy Mapani and her 56-year-old husband
Effas Ondya has been childless and the couple have accused each other of
being infertile, the Times of Zambia newspaper reported.
It said Ondya had asked his wife to have sex with other men and conceive by
February 22, 2000. He claimed his wife could not conceive and staked $200
that no child would show up within the agreed time.
``There is clear indication that you have allowed your wife to have sex with
other men. The bet remains a bet,'' judges Sainet Chiutambo and Joseph
Mumba said in a ruling.
The pair had approached Zambia's High Court to rule if their union should
continue or if they should separate.
The papers did not say how long they had been married.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 170 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (16:38) * 1 lines 
 
wow. so who are the lucky adultees? and then imagine the paternity suits to be filed after. *woohoo*, only in Zambia, i guess!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 171 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (17:44) * 2 lines 
 
I did not know whether to put that under Ree's topic in Travel or not, so I put a really nasty one in there and this out here where more people would see it.
Interesting, no?!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 172 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (21:35) * 1 lines 
 
indeed! what happened to going to the sperm bank, you know? well, she'd be getting the stuff fresh, no? *snicker*


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 173 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (21:55) * 1 lines 
 
Hey, a deal is a deal. *snicker* indeed! No frozen stuff for me - I'd wanna stare the owner straight in the eyes first, and the very least...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 174 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (21:58) * 1 lines 
 
Could also be that the Sperm Bank is what is being carried around by each man over there where refrigeration is scarce. You know, those....(do I gotta draw you a .....?!)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 175 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (15:55) * 1 lines 
 
please do, if you ask AM, you'd think i forgot all about that stuff!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 176 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (16:10) * 1 lines 
 
Cannot be as bad as all that *lol* I am holding up my etch-a-sketch so you can see what I mean...I am better at the actuality than the drawing, but I remember where everything is and what each likes the best...*sigh* Wolfie, it will come swarming back into your conscious mind just as soon as all of those little ears and eyes grow up and vacate the premises. (Yeah, I know...a difficult trade-off and all that.)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 177 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (16:34) * 1 lines 
 
hmmm....


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 178 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (16:43) * 1 lines 
 
Of course, AM can give you an private show-and-tell session starting with champagne and candle light...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 179 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (23:39) * 18 lines 
 
Under the Category of Bah! Humbug!

Children Stone Santa Claus Who Ignored Them
SANTIAGO, Chile (Reuters) - A group of children in northern Chile stoned
and robbed Santa Claus after he ignored their pleas to toss them candies
from his truck as he drove past them, local press reported on Thursday.
Santa-suited Cristian Parenti, 28 was pelted with rocks by the children as
they ran alongside his truck after he refused to share his load of candies,
daily Las Ultimas Noticias reported. Some of the youngsters climbed aboard
the moving truck and stole toys out of his sack before running away.
The 300-pound Parenti was heading to a neighborhood in Tocopilla, 960 miles
north of Santiago, to deliver boxes of candies that the local government
planned to give out later.
The unemployed father, hired by the city to don the Santa outfit, was hit twice
in the head, in his chest and in his eye, forcing him to seek medical attention
at which time him learned that the glue he used to attach his beard had
burned his skin, the paper said.
``They left me full of goose eggs,'' he said.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 180 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (09:11) * 1 lines 
 
well, did he have candy in his sack? (don't go there marcia *grin*) next time he'll keep extra to deliver on his way to the real destination.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 181 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (11:37) * 2 lines 
 
Don't BS with little kids. They knew he was a bogus santa and was being mean.
Still, I never have stoned Santa (and I would never have taken candy from a stranger - like my Momma said!)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 182 of 251: Alexander  (aschuth) * Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (04:41) * 1 lines 
 
I think I knew somebody who was a stoned Santa, too...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 183 of 251: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (20:52) * 1 lines 
 
In the 60's probably most were! *lol*


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 184 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jan 14, 2000 (16:39) * 4 lines 
 
News from W a y outside the Spring:
The next total lunar eclipse is coming on January 21, 2000
a Lunar Calculator is located on the site so you can calculate when and how to see it:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/AA/data/docs/LunarEclipse.html


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 185 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Jan 14, 2000 (16:44) * 3 lines 
 
btw, Thanksm Maggie, for alerting me to this coming astronomical event *grin* It'll be raining here that night...*sigh*

Is Austin really having terrible drought conditions?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 186 of 251: Alexander  (aschuth) * Mon, Jan 17, 2000 (15:23) * 1 lines 
 
Currently, the sky is overcast 24/7, so I don't expect it to be visible by then - no change in weather expected for Central Europe.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 187 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan 17, 2000 (18:19) * 1 lines 
 
Sounds like Hilo weather. It has absolutely deluged since the relatives arrived and looks not to clear till they all leave! Kinda curious, isn't it!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 188 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Wed, Feb  2, 2000 (12:41) * 1 lines 
 
the lunar eclipse was groovy here... not as red as in some of the pictures but reddish and intriguing.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 189 of 251: terry (sprin5) * Thu, Feb  3, 2000 (08:31) * 1 lines 
 
What relies Marci? Austin has had a bit of rain lately, but not enough to cure this drought. It's not "terrible" but it's pretty bad, I'd say. Where did you watch the eclipse, Stace?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 190 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb  3, 2000 (15:52) * 7 lines 
 
According to weather stats, you are in the 4th (or is it 5th?) year of drought.

(Terry)What relies Marci?
I wish I knew to what this refers...I could tell you, perhaps!





 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 191 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb  5, 2000 (17:50) * 22 lines 
 
What Was He Thinking Dept:

Man Kills Policeman to Avoid Traffic Penalty

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - A German who killed a traffic policeman after he
was caught speeding said the killing was a bid to avoid penalty points on his
licence.

The 45-year-old unnamed assailant, who was arrested earlier this week, said
he was worried that penalty points from previous speeding offences would
mean he would be stripped altogether of his licence.

The attack happened last month on a highway 60 miles northeast of Frankfurt
after the policeman used a radar gun to record the speed of the attacker's
vehicle.

The driver stopped, approached the police car on foot and fired once, hitting
the 41-year-old father-of-two in the chest and killing him instantly. The bullet
then hit a second policeman in the arm.

The radar measurement showed the attacker's vehicle to be travelling at 80
miles per hour in a 63 miles per hour zone.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 192 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Mon, Feb  7, 2000 (18:16) * 3 lines 
 
in my driveway Paul... REALLY clear night!

bad news Marcia.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 193 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb  7, 2000 (19:04) * 1 lines 
 
There is an even better on in Travel/England (but it does not show up on the unread list on main)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 194 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Tue, Feb  8, 2000 (10:54) * 11 lines 
 
MIAMI (CNNSI.com) -- Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Thomas died Tuesday morning at Jackson Memorial Hospital where he was recovering from a car crash that left him paralyzed from the chest down, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Details of his death were not immediately available, said spokeswoman Lorraine Nelson.

Thomas, 33, was injured last month when he and two companions were heading to the Kansas City airport to fly to St. Louis for the NFC Championship game. Their car flipped on an icy road.

Team president Carl Peterson, who will fly to Miami early this afternoon, offered this statement upon hearing news of Thomas' death:

"It's a devastating tragedy to the Kansas City Chiefs family, the people of Kansas City, the fans of the National Football League and to me personally. Derrick Thomas has been such an important part of the Chiefs family for the past 11 years.

He has done so much for this team and our city during his time with us. He had so much love for the game, for his teammates and for our town. Our prayers go out to Derrick's family, to his fellow teammates and to our fans who knew Derrick. A light has gone out."


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 195 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Tue, Feb  8, 2000 (10:54) * 1 lines 
 
... I thought he was doing well... ???


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 196 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb  8, 2000 (13:53) * 1 lines 
 
The last any of us heard he was doing ok. Apparently that broken neck was not all that was wrong with him. Being thrown from a crash is not a good thing!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 197 of 251: Stacey Tinianov  (stacey) * Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (12:16) * 3 lines 
 
no, it was just crash injuries...
he had a heart attack and they could not bring him back.
Possible suspects include a massive blood clot...


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 198 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (12:50) * 1 lines 
 
As I suspect as well. Internal injuries do that.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 199 of 251: Alexander  (aschuth) * Sat, Feb 19, 2000 (17:04) * 5 lines 
 
That guy who attacked police? He snug up to their van, and fired into the windows, killing one, injuring a second. Within the next two weeks, there were many more police officers injured on duty, a unusual high rate for Germany.

I believe that there is a certain copy cat effect at play, like with the teenage violence... After the Columbine event, we had some pretty heavy things ourselves, too - on much smaller scale, but still... Knifes or one rifle suffice, as does one victim to qualify for total horror.

I just wish the gun control stuff would get through US American congress. You perhaps don't think so, but people in other countries look to what happens around y'all - courtesy of all the news and entertainment companies that sell the coverage to the world - and not few think that some weird crap were rather cool.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 200 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 19, 2000 (17:21) * 1 lines 
 
You will not get an arguement from me on gun control of some sort here. I also wish the media (and I am part of that august tradition) would do their part by not making such a publicity thing out of it. Here, in Hilo, they are finally convicting murderers for running over, bludgeoning and raping a young woman and leaving her to die on Christmas Eve a few years ago. While the verdict was being read, movie deals were being made and script writers were being hired. This is definitely a movie I will avoid at all costs. I dread the thought of copy cat incidents.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 201 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (13:05) * 59 lines 
 
Arrivederci, Italy! New Zealand Wins America's Cup
AUCKLAND, New Zealand (Reuters) - The black-hulled Team New Zealand
completed a historic 5-0 America's Cup ``blackwash'' of Italian challengers
Prada Thursday to become the first non-American boat to defend the trophy
successfully in its 149-year history.
New Zealand's boat and its crew beat Prada by 48 seconds in race five of the
first-to-five series to ensure the America's Cup would remain at the Royal New
Zealand Yacht Squadron.
No non-American team had ever before mounted a successful defense of the
Cup since it was first sailed in 1851.
The jubilant New Zealand crew members pumped their fists and hugged after
crossing the finish line. Support staff spilled on to the multi-million dollar
yacht from tender boats.
Their disappointed Prada opponents sprayed them with champagne as the
two boats docked after the race.
Local television estimated that 70,000 people lined the waterfront of
Auckland's Viaduct Basin to greet the Team New Zealand sailors.
The crowd cheered wildly and boat horns sounded around the city as skipper
Russell Coutts and back-up helmsman Dean Barker held the Cup aloft.
``We're looking to hang on to the Cup for a very, very long time,'' Coutts told
Television New Zealand.
Barker took the helm for race five and outsailed the hapless Italians in
pre-start maneuvers.
After winning the start in fresh southeasterly winds of 15 knots, the New
Zealanders sailed smoothly to protect their lead for the rest of the six-leg,
18.5 nautical mile race in the Hauraki Gulf off Auckland.
``What an amazing feeling to finish this off in five races,'' Barker said.
``For me to have the opportunity is just fantastic,'' said Barker, a former world
youth champion who sailed the team's second yacht in training for the past
two years.
IMPRESSIVE RACE
Coutts handed the helm to Barker after taking his team to a commanding 4-0
lead Wednesday to equal U.S. sailor Charlie Barr's record of nine successive
America's Cup race wins set between 1899 and 1903.
Barker sailed an impressive race in choppy seas and increased his boat's
lead to one minute, 13 seconds by the fifth mark as the wind strengthened to
more than 20 knots.
New Zealand became only the second non-American boat to win the Cup
when they beat Young America 5-0 off San Diego in 1995.
John Bertrand's Australia II won the Cup away from the United States for the
first time when it beat Dennis Conner's Liberty 4-3 in 1983.
Prada had been attempting to become the first European team to win the Cup
after winning the challengers' series, but were outclassed by a faster boat
sailed by a superior crew.
New Zealand led at every mark during each of the five races. The clean sweep
meant a full nine races will not be needed.
In the Louis Vuitton Cup challengers' series final, the Italians had fought back
from the brink of defeat to beat Paul Cayard's AmericaOne and ensure that no
American boat would contest the America's Cup for the first time.
Italian skipper Francesco de Angelis appeared downcast on the final run to
the finish line Wednesday and his boat flew a large flag with the words
``Arrivederci New Zealand'' from its mast as it was being towed back to its
compound.
The $55 million Italian challenge, backed by fashion tycoon Patrizio Bertelli,
began to unravel Wednesday after a bad tactical error by de Angelis and
tactician Torben Grael handed New Zealand race four.
Bertelli later issued an extraordinary statement attacking de Angelis and
Grael for their ``suicidal tactics.''



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 202 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (19:36) * 27 lines 
 

Send Page
Last updated: Saturday - 19:59
03/04/2000, EST
'Shocked' Man Sues Bars That Served Him
TAMPA, Fla. (Reuters) - A Florida man who said he was shocked by 13,000
volts of electricity after climbing up a transformer in a ``drunken stupor'' has
sued six bars and stores that allegedly sold him alcohol.
Ed O'Rourke also named Tampa Electric Co. as a defendant in the lawsuit
filed on Thursday in Hillsborough County Circuit Court in Tampa. He said the
utility did not do enough to prevent him from slipping into a fenced, gated and
locked substation and scaling the electrical transformer late one night in May
1996.
O'Rourke said he was thrown more than 40 feet from the transformer and
burned over 60 percent of his body, leaving him with permanent immobility in
his right arm and severe scarring. He is seeking unspecified compensation for
emotional and other damages.
The lawsuit said O'Rourke is ``unable to control his urge to drink alcoholic
beverages'' and that the bars and stores negligently served or sold him
alcohol despite his ``continual consumption.''
The owner of The Waterhole Sports Bar, one of those O'Rourke sued, said he
remembers the transformer incident but denied that O'Rourke drank at his bar
the night it happened.
``Because he was previously thrown out of here because he was writing on
the bathroom walls,'' bar owner Bruce Martin told the Tampa Tribune.
``I think it's frivolous. I think it's ridiculous,'' he said of the lawsuit.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 203 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (22:42) * 1 lines 
 
i suppose if robbers can sue you for getting hurt in your house while they're trying to rob you , than a drunk person can sue the bar he got hurt at. it's a shame!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 204 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (22:53) * 1 lines 
 
Crazy! Like Shakespeare said, "first, kill all the lawyers" (or something to that effect.)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 205 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (22:59) * 1 lines 
 
people are so sue-happy now-a-days....and the "hurting yourself on purpose while in the grocery aisle at a supermarket" is craziness! who would want to hurt themselves so they could sue?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 206 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (23:08) * 1 lines 
 
Lazy! This is the age of "Not my fault" and no responsibility for actions. Check your insurance rates if you think it just affects those who are in the law suit.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 207 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (16:48) * 1 lines 
 
no we all pay one way or another!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 208 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (17:06) * 1 lines 
 
I love the way students take extra stuff and claiming it is paid for by the government as though the government made magic and summoned up money. Well, they do - out of my pocket and yours! We do, indeed, pay for it one way or the other!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 209 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (20:11) * 18 lines 
 
Freak Sleigh Accident Kills One
SPITZINGSEE, Germany (Reuters) - One person was killed when a giant
sleigh built in the shape of a Bavarian beer garden smashed into a cabin at
the bottom of a ski slope during a show race in southern Germany Sunday,
police said.
Fourteen men were riding in the sleigh one of 17 competing for prizes for
speed and the most elaborate decorations. The driver apparently lost control
at high speed and the sleigh broke apart before crashing into the cabin.
``The sleigh ran off the ski run and we don't know why yet,'' said Horst
Hornfeck, head of the mountain police patrol.
``We have one dead, he was killed on the spot, two seriously injured, who
were tended to by the emergency doctors and who are probably no longer in
critical condition, and four more injured who were transported to hospital,''
Hornfeck said.
Police said it was not clear whether the dead man had been a rider or a
spectator.
The event, which draws about 5,000 people to the Spitzingsee region south of
Munich, was cancelled after accident.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 210 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (21:35) * 1 lines 
 
i've never heard of this event! wow, let's hope they weren't drinking....


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 211 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (21:53) * 1 lines 
 
I am trying to picture a sleigh which looks like a beer garden. Boggles the mind and you can bet the kids' allowance that they were drinking!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 212 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Tue, Mar  7, 2000 (18:27) * 1 lines 
 
this is true, but i was hoping!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 213 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar  7, 2000 (20:27) * 1 lines 
 
...just wish they had included a picture... If they were drinking they were probably less likely to get injured as they just flop down in the snow full of anti-freeze (this is my burying my head in the sand technique so I do not think of reality.)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 214 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (16:26) * 64 lines 
 
Hams Help Get Wounded Boy from High Seas to Hospital

In a dramatic situation that is still unfolding in Central America,
Amateur Radio operators on the 20-meter Maritime Net have helped get
a wounded boy to safety following an attack by what are being called
''pirates.''

The nightmare began the afternoon of March 28 for the family of
Jacco van Tuyl, KH2TD, as he and his 13-year-old son Willem, were in
inflatable dinghy, not far from their 44-foot sailing sloop. Wife
and mother Jannie van Tuyl, KH2TE, remained aboard the sailboat.

Jacco van Tuyl said the family had left the San Blas Islands a
couple of days ago and was anchored behind a reef with a couple of
other sailboats in the vicinity--one at anchor--some 50 miles off
the coast of Honduras.

The father and son were visiting with acquaintances the other
anchored sailboat when Jacco van Tuyl saw four or five men in an
open wooden boat come alongside his vessel and board.

van Tuyl and his son headed back toward their vessel, but one of the
pirates brandished a machine gun when they were about 20 yards away.
In ensuing gunfire, the boy was wounded in the abdomen and the
dinghy was damaged and flipped over. van Tuyl said the marauders
''got nervous'' and left the scene after taking the damaged dinghy and
outboard motor aboard.

van Tuyl hauled his injured son, bleeding badly, back to his
sailboat and got him aboard. van Tuyl checked into the Maritime Net
on 14.300 MHz, seeking urgent assistance. The other two vessels in
the vicinity and the van Tuyl's then pulled anchor and headed for
Honduras.

In the meantime, the family rendered first aid to Willem. Two
Amateur Radio-physicians--one believed to be Jim Hirschman,
K4TCV--in Florida provided the family with valuable medical advice
that van Tuyl thinks helped to keep the youth alive overnight until
they could rendezvous with a Honduran Navy vessel that had been
alerted by another amateur on the Net. In the US, Clark Lowry,
N7AAC, in Arizona, was among those on the Net who contacted the US
Coast Guard to render possible assistance.

The van Tuyl's vessel arrived this morning off Honduras.

After mother and son were taken aboard the Honduran Naval vessel at
around 9 AM Wednesday (ET), they were helicoptered to a hospital
facility on shore. The boy was reported to be in stable condition
but headed for surgery Wednesday afternoon. Ed Petzolt, K1LNC, in
Florida was able to phone patch the van Tuyls via Amateur Radio so
they could discuss their son's current condition. He was able to
call the hospital with the help of information from the US Embassy
in Tegucigalpa, Honduras.

Jacco van Tuyl remains aboard his boat, awaiting further word on his
son's condition.

The van Tuyls are from the Netherlands and have been sailing all
over the world for the past five years, logging some 40,000 miles of
travel. Jacco van Tuyl said he and his wife decided to get their
Amateur Radio tickets during an extended stay in Guam. Both hold
General class licenses. van Tuyl agreed that the decision to get
licensed turned out to be a good one.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 215 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (18:15) * 24 lines 
 
************************************
Usu eruption on TV
************************************
From: James Mori
We just finishing watching the eruption (or maybe just the first part) on
TV for the last couple of hours. NHK and the other TV stations had the area
covered like a sports event, so there were multiple angles of the eruption.
Today's show began at 1:10 (local time) and produced a moderate ash
eruption with a column that went up about 3000m. The wind was blowing from
the west and pushed all the ash to the east. The eruption lasted about 2
hours. It came from a new vent about 1.5 km to the northwest of the summit
of Usu in a small valley. This is the area that new cracks had been
observed over the last couple of days and was identified as a possible site
for an eruption. There were cameras that had a good close view of the vent
area so you could see the ash streaming out of the ground and rocks being
thrown out to the side. There did not seem to be any immediate seismic
precursor to today's eruption. The overall seismic activity was down from
yesterday when the eruption began today. There were no audible explosions
or felt earthquakes that accompanied the beginning of the eruption. The
eruption waxed and waned over the 2 hours and finally seem to end around
3:00 pm. By that time there was only white vapor coming from the vent.
There were not any large pyroclastic flows. There were no reported
injuries. Over 10,000 people had been evacuated from the immediate area of
the volcano.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 216 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Apr  2, 2000 (14:31) * 34 lines 
 
Thief Lifts Nazi Code Machine From UK Spy Center
LONDON (Reuters) - A thief out-foxed a former British spy center by walking
off with a rare Enigma machine used by the Nazis to send coded messages
during World War Two, police said on Sunday.
The typewriter-like device, one of only three in the world, was lifted during an
open day on Saturday at the once top-secret Bletchley Park estate where the
code was broken.
``At some point during yesterday afternoon, the machine was stolen from a
display cabinet,'' a police spokesman said.
``There does appear to be quite a large market for World War Two
memorabilia and if you are a collector then an Enigma machine and they're
very rare in this country -- would be something you would want in your
collection.''
Police said the machine, which used revolving drums to encrypt messages,
was worth several thousand pounds (dollars) but its historical value is
impossible to estimate.
``This is a devastating theft,'' Bletchley Park Trust director Christine Large
said. ``Very many people are deeply upset and we are just hoping for its safe
return.''
Historians believe the success of the cryptographers at Bletchley Park north
of London code-named ``Station X'' during the war in breaking a code that the
Germans believed was unbreakable hastened the Allied victory by several
years.
At its peak, the center employed thousands of people an eclectic mix of
mathematicians, linguists and crossword experts who handled millions of
German military messages every year.
The code-busters included Alan Turing, a mathematician hose
groundbreaking work is seen as having paved the way for the modern
computer.
Bletchley Park's work was so secret that its existence was not revealed until
the late 1960s, more than two decades after the war ended.
The center was scheduled for demolition but interest in the wartime exploits
related by former staff during a reunion in 1991 helped lead to its restoration.
($1-.6271 Pound)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 217 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (15:38) * 36 lines 
 
American Men to Sweep First Sporting Oscars
LONDON (Reuters) - American men are set to sweep the first sporting
Oscars at next month's ceremony in Monaco.
Tennis ace Andre Agassi, sprint king Maurice Greene and golfer Tiger Woods
are the three nominees for the World Sportsman of the Year title.
The winner is to be announced in Monaco on May 25 during a glitzy
sport-cum-showbiz ceremony for the first annual Laureus Sports Awards
celebrating sporting excellence covering all disciplines and all continents.
The presentations will be made at an Oscars type ceremony with Hollywood
actors Sylvester Stallone, Samuel L. Jackson, Goldie Hawn and Jeff Bridges
among the hosts.
The nominations were made by 230 leading sports journalists in more than 75
countries and the final choice will be made by the newly formed World Sports
Academy.
The Academy includes sporting greats of the past such as American hurdler
Ed Moses, German figure skating queen Katarina Witt and British decathlete
Daley Thompson.
The three Olympic stars attended a launch for the Laureus Sports Awards in
London Tuesday.
Witt said: ``I find it a great idea that past athletes will select the best current
athletes. We are impressed by sporting achievements in other disciplines as
we understand best just what goes into creating those achievements.''
Nine awards will be made in Monaco on May 25. The others include a World
Sportswoman of the Year title for which tennis player Lindsay Davenport and
athletes Marion Jones and Gabriela Szabo are nominated.
The Australian rugby union team, Manchester United and the U.S. women's
soccer side are the three candidates for World Team of the Year.
World Newcomer of the Year will be contested by Spanish golfer Sergio
Garcia, American footballer Kurt Warner and tennis player Serena Williams.
Agassi, American Tour de France cycle race champion Lance Armstrong and
Swedish hurdler Ludmila Engqvist are nominated for the World Comeback of
the Year crown.
There are also awards for World Sportsperson of the Year with a Disability,
World Alternative Sportsperson of the Year, Lifetime Achievement and Sport
for Good which will go to an individual who has made an outstanding
contribution to society through sport.


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 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 219 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (19:51) * 12 lines 
 
NASA Science News for April 18, 2000

April's Lyrid Meteor Shower: The oldest known meteor shower peaks
on the morning of April 22. Bright moonlight will reduce the
number of shooting stars that are easy to see, but many meteor
enthusiasts will be watching anyway because it's been over 3 months
since the last major meteor display.
FULL STORY at

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast18apr_1m.htm




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 220 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (21:08) * 1 lines 
 
april 22? cool. so who's time zone is that?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 221 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (15:50) * 1 lines 
 
I imagine the rest of the story told the rest of the story, but it is usually the same time for all places. It is not until after midnight that the leading side of the earth heads into space and the sunny side is on the lee side. Therefore, after midnight and around 2am local time is the general rule for looking at meteorites. Anyone see anything? We had baseball last night and overcast skies. (I got misted upon!)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 222 of 251: terry (sprin5) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (16:22) * 1 lines 
 
Little Elian was grabbed at gunpoint by INS agents this morning. Chilling pictures. Clinton comes out victorious(?). Comments? Observations?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 223 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (19:09) * 1 lines 
 
That poor little kid. It would have terrified me in the middle of the night. What is wrong with these people playing politics with a little boy?! It angers me more than you want to know!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 224 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (21:04) * 3 lines 
 
there really shouldn't have been any discussions or fights. the little boy belongs with his father.

when i went to work on the 21st, i looked in the sky and saw nothing but dawn. probably too late to see anything....


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 225 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (21:23) * 1 lines 
 
thanks for thinking to look, though....I looked and saw grey quilt batting. Nary a star of any sort up there.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 226 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (21:29) * 1 lines 
 
*haha* i'm familiar with the grey quilt batting effect!!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 227 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (21:35) * 1 lines 
 
Got that same effect for the total solar eclipse John broadcast from up Mauna Loa for those of us who were so close but yet so far...*sob*


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 228 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (21:37) * 1 lines 
 
oh dear, we're gonna have to ask the man upstairs to give you a break through the quilt so you can see some of His marvelous works!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 229 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (21:45) * 2 lines 
 
He was very good to me for a very long time - saw a 3/4 total solar eclipse
from West Virginia, and more lunar eclipses than I can remember (but I have notes on all of them) since moving to Hawaii. Oh, and volcanic fountains, hills formed before my eyes which are now on maps (and were previously holes in the ground or flat land)...acres of new dry land, meteor showers and bollides memorably brilliant. I have been blessed with that...I just wanted to experience a total solar eclipse. But...it was not to be...but I am not giving up yet. There is much more to see and rejoice over, I am sure of that!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 230 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (21:51) * 1 lines 
 
oh yes, am glad you have been blessed in such a way. He knows you appreciate the beauty. i'm overwhelmed sometimes with the beauty i see around me. makes me well right up!


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 231 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (23:26) * 1 lines 
 
Indeed! Are ever so inspired that you create something so you remember it more clearly? I sketch and write about it. David will get those field notes eventually. The best writing was to my Dad, and I have no idea where those letters are.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 232 of 251: Spring's Scribe  (MarciaH) * Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (10:21) * 51 lines 
 
Copyright © 2000 Ananova Ltd

Beer may be better for heart than red wine

Beer may be better for your heart than red wine or
spirits, according to new research.

Vitamin B6 levels in the blood rise after beer
consumption and may prevent the build-up of an amino
acid connected to cardiovascular disease.

But the Dutch team of scientists who carried out the
research found increases in blood vitamin B6 levels
after drinking red wine and spirits did not have the
same effects.

The studies in Utrecht monitored the drinking of 11
healthy men aged 44-59 and measured their levels of
homocysteine, an amino acid which is affected by diet
and found to increase the risk of heart disease.

Drinking beer increased levels of vitamin B6 in the
blood by 30% with no increase in homocysteine, the
research, published in The Lancet, suggested.

But homocysteine levels rose by nearly 10% after three
weeks of consuming red wine and spirits - an increase
linked to a 10-20% increased chance of cardiovascular
disease.

Dr Henk Hendriks, of the TNO Nutrition and Food
Research Institute, said: "We know that moderate
alcohol consumption protects against coronary heart
disease and other studies show this may be an effect
of the alcohol.

"But other smaller moderating effects on heart disease
by alcohol can be observed which may vary between
different beverages."

Mike Benner, head of campaigns for the Campaign
For Real Ale, said: "Most of the recent research into
the health effects of alcohol suggest that moderate
consumption - moderate being the key word - can have
health benefits.

"Most of this research since the mid-90s has
concentrated on wine. If there are benefits from
drinking beer in moderation then this is good news."




 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 233 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 10, 2000 (20:34) * 41 lines 
 
New Mexico amateurs assisting in evacuation

Hams in the Los Alamos, New Mexico, area are assisting local
authorities and relief agencies in a mass evacuation as a result of
wind-driven wildfires. ARRL New Mexico Section Manager Joe Knight,
W5PDY, in Albuquerque reports the National Forest Service advised
the City of Los Alamos and Los Alamos National Lab on May 10 to
evacuate Los Alamos city limits by 5 PM Mountain Time. Knight was
not sure how many hams were directly involved in the fire emergency
response at this point.

''This affects approximately 12,000 to 15,000 people who will
require immediate shelter,'' Knight said. The Red Cross is
requesting additional medical personnel, as the evacuation includes
hospital patients and staff.

Amateur Radio Emergency Service and Radio Amateur Civil Emergency
Service personnel in Los Alamos have been activated for the past
three days as a result of the ongoing fire situation. Knight said
three repeaters in the fire zone have been put into use to handle
emergency traffic, although the W5PDO Los Alamos Amateur Radio Club
repeater at the fire station apparently has been shut down. ARES and
RACES teams elsewhere in New Mexico are on standby to assist if
needed.

Knight reports that winds in the vicinity are currently gusting to
40 MPH and the flames are jumping treetop-to-treetop. ''It's a
firestorm,'' Knight said. ''It's a bad situation.''

Standby emergency personnel from the Albuquerque Fire Department
have been called to immediate duty, Knight reports, to assist in Los
Alamos some 80 miles away.

Meanwhile, Knight says the City of Alto, northeast of Ruidoso,
already has been evacuated, and a number of houses east of Alto
reportedly have been consumed by flames. The fire is spreading
rapidly northeast of Ruidoso and already has consumed more than 6000
acres of forest.
Citizens have been placed on alert in the Ruidoso area.
ARRL Amateur Radio emergency and section personnel will continue to
monitor the fire situation in New Mexico.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 234 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Wed, May 10, 2000 (23:11) * 28 lines 
 
Fire Sweeps Whiskey Warehouse
LAWRENCEBURG, Ky. (Reuters) - A distillery fire fueled by thousands of
gallons of Wild Turkey whiskey destroyed a warehouse and contaminated
this central Kentucky city's water supply, authorities said on Tuesday.
Three hours after it caught fire, the collapsed warehouse was still spouting
flames that were fed by a sea of year-old bourbon contained in between
15,000 and 20,000 55-gallon casks, still operator Keith Phillips told Reuters.
``It was amazing how quickly it burned,'' Phillips said. ''You could hear barrels
exploding like gunshots.''
``The warehouse is gone,'' an Anderson County Sheriff's dispatcher said, who
said no one was seriously injured.
Phillips said he saw a couple of firefighters helped from the scene after they
were overcome by the intense heat.
The fire, spread by the blazing alcohol, torched trees and grasslands along
the adjacent Kentucky River and damaged a section of Lawrenceburg's water
plant, Phillips said.
Lawrenceburg officials ordered unnecessary water usage in restaurants and
car washes halted temporarily after whiskey run-off poured into the river and
forced authorities to stop drawing water through an intake pipe.
The cause of the fire was not yet known, but work was being done on the
warehouse's electrical system as the distillery prepared to shore up the
sagging building.
Phillips said there were numerous other warehouses at the facility where the
sweet-tasting whiskey was being aged, some as long as 12 years. He said
the whiskey that burned up was distilled only last year.
In any case, the distillery, the only one where Wild Turkey is made, was still
operating and Phillips predicted no shortage of the product.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 235 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, May 14, 2000 (14:40) * 87 lines 
 
At Least 20 Dead, 562 Hurt in Dutch Explosion
ENSCHEDE, Netherlands (Reuters) - Rescuers gave up searching a
devastated area of a Dutch city for survivors on Sunday after a massive
explosion at a fireworks warehouse that killed at least 20 people and injured
562.
``If there's anyone in there now, they would be dead,'' Menno Wagnaar, a
police officer in Enschede, told Reuters, referring to wreckage left by
Saturday's blast.
Police Chief Aart Meijboom told a news conference he could not confirm
rumors of tapping being heard from beneath the smoking rubble.
``Last evening at 10 p.m. (2000 GMT) we found someone, but that was the
last one,'' he said.
Officials said 14 bodies had been recovered and six people were still
unaccounted for. Police said they expected the death toll to be at least 20.
Four of the dead were firefighters.
About 59 people remained in regional hospitals, 10 in intensive care.
Around 400 residents of the area had yet to be located. While authorities
hoped they were staying with friends or relatives, they appealed for them to
come forward and register.
City authorities said they still feared for the safety of several thousand people
evacuated from the disaster area and were keeping the most severely affected
areas cordoned off.
Asbestos from the roof of a Grolsch brewery set ablaze next to the fireworks
warehouse might be contaminating the area and some roofs of homes were in
danger of collapsing, Mayor Jan Mans said.
Officials were advising people living in cities north of Enschede, where smoke
from the smoldering beer factory was headed, to take precautions against
asbestos poisoning by washing clothes carefully and cleaning away dust.
However the spread of pollution was not as wide as originally feared, and
many of those evacuated from the outer areas may be able to return to their
homes as early as Sunday evening, city authorities said.
SEARCH FOR CLUES BEGINS
Teams of special investigators sought clues as to what triggered the huge
detonation, examining blackened, twisted hulks of cars and sifting through
the rubble of houses with their bare hands as firefighters extinguished
persistent flames.
``The work they are doing is difficult. There are a lot of areas that are still (so)
hot that they cannot enter,'' Enschede Deputy Mayor Rinus Althof told
reporters.
Queen Beatrix and Prime Minister Wim Kok entered the sealed-off disaster
area to survey the damage. A Reuters photographer saw the Queen
comforting a policewoman on the verge of tears.
``It gets you by the throat... It's breathtaking, being there, as if bombs had
fallen on roofs,'' the prime minister told a news conference.
Kok said a full investigation would be conducted into the tragedy and pledged
virtually unlimited government resources to help rebuild the shattered city. A
bank in Enschede opened its doors, offering victims, left only with the clothes
they were wearing, an emergency 100 guilders ($41.17) per person.
A huge red fireball sent a blast wave across the city of 145,000 people on
Saturday afternoon, completely destroying around 400 homes and damaging
several hundred more.
It was the second of two explosions. An small earlier blast set off hundreds of
fireworks and drew people out of their homes to watch them shooting through
the sky.
After the second blast, people covered in blood sat dazed in the streets.
A fire had started earlier outside a warehouse owned by S.E. Fireworks
company and spread to the storage area, which held an estimated 100
tonnes of fireworks.
HUNDREDS EVACUATED
About 2,000 people were evacuated from the area it was not known when
many of those living nearest to the fire would be allowed to return.
Some 800 people slept overnight in a temporary shelters, but officials said
many people were being shifted to other facilities or homes.
In a letter to Kok, European Commission President Romano Prodi said he
was ``profoundly shocked by the tragic loss of lives in Enschede last night.''
Britain's Queen Elizabeth also wrote to Queen Beatrix expressing sympathy
for the tragedy.
Fire crews, ambulances and helicopters had sped to Enschede from around
the Netherlands and from across the border in Germany, five kms (three
miles) away.
It was still unclear if the fire and subsequent explosions were linked to other
recent blazes in Enschede which officials suspect might have been caused
by arson.
The warehouse, in the north of Enschede, was a smoldering heap on Sunday
and surrounding streets looked like a bombed war zone. Most houses were
gutted while fragments of wall or roof survived on others. Smoking hulks of
cars lined the streets.
Firemen directed water hoses at charred remains of family homes while grey
smoke wafted in the air.
Television reports said Enschede residents were asking how authorities had
allowed the fireworks warehouse to be located in the middle of a residential
area housing hundreds of people.
A Dutch public prosecutor, identified on German TV as Roelof Manscoc, said
the warehouse had been inspected only a few months ago and was thought
to have operated in line with its permits.
(additional reporting by Jerry Lampen and Otti Thomas)
($1-2.429 Guilder)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 236 of 251: Nan Williams  (moonbeam) * Wed, May 17, 2000 (02:10) * 9 lines 
 
Forgive me if this isn't the right place to put this -- it seemed like the best one.

I just wanted my friends at the Spring to know that I grew up in Los Alamos, New Mexico -- it is still my family's home and has been for 51 years.

My father died there on May 7, and last Wednesday I flew down for his funeral, scheduled for Friday morning... as I was in the air the town was being evacuated, my brother helping my grieving mother pack family pictures and important papers and her cat into the car for a 35-mile trip off "the hill" that took 3 hours in bumper-to-bumper traffic as 11,000 people fled for their lives.

I'm still pretty shell-shocked from watching so much of what I am go up in flames -- the TV stations covered it 24/7, and we sat glued to the screen in my brother's Albuquerque home as the helicopters sent video back of our old neighborhood burning. I grew up on 36th Street, one of the hardest-hit areas. The fire burned so hot there it looks like a moonscape. Foundations, chimneys, ashes. That's all that's left. And 405 families, many of them people I've known all my life, now homeless.

The Albuquerque Journal, http://abqjournal.com/firepage.htm, is doing an incredible job reporting this tragedy.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 237 of 251: What's happenin' in the news? (sprin5) * Wed, May 17, 2000 (10:49) * 1 lines 
 
What an experience you're going through Nan! My heart goes out to you for going through these two tragedies in such a short time span. Are you in New Mexico now?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 238 of 251: Nan Williams  (moonbeam) * Wed, May 17, 2000 (13:35) * 1 lines 
 
I flew back to Utah Sunday night but I'm just here long enough to pack, turn in my grades, and drive back down to NM to spend the summer.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 239 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, May  3, 2001 (23:48) * 1 lines 
 
Are you summering in NM again, Nan?


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 240 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Aug 12, 2001 (20:45) * 7 lines 
 
This week, in a decision that the Mouthpiece Media hyped would "define" his Presidency, His Fraudulency played to the Right again, nearly banning federal support for stem cell research by restricting it to only those lines already in use. Too few for any significant scientific break-throughs, most analysts believe. But then we knew he was basically another typical Republican conservative; everybody's still waiting for the "compassionate" twin to show up. But like Bush I, II is illin'.


from http://www.g21.net/

What are your views on stem cell research?



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 241 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Sep  3, 2001 (22:14) * 98 lines 
 
Subject: [Syndicate] WTO applauded for insulting Gandhi (and
epistolaris@freemail
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:16 AM
From: Anna Balint
To: This message is not commercial August 30,
2001
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WTO INTRODUCES NEW MEMBER

Gold and one meter long, phallus is brand-new technology to
control distant workers

Anti-WTO impostors have struck again, delivering a lecture about the
rights of slavery, the stupidity of Gandhi, and the supremacy of free
trade to an enthusiastic crowd of scientists, engineers, and marketing
professionals--all of whom thought they were watching an official WTO
representative.

The 150 experts at the "Textiles of the Future" conference in Tampere,
Finland heard one Hank Hardy Unruh explain that Gandhi's "self-
sufficiency" movement was entirely misguided, because it centered
around protectionism, and that Lincoln, by outlawing slavery, had
criminally interfered with the trade freedom of the South, as well as
with slavery's own freedom to develop naturally. Had slavery never been
abolished, Unruh said, today's much cheaper system of sweatshops would
have eventually replaced
it anyhow; following this free-market logic to the end, Unruh declared
the Civil War just a big waste of money.

Finally, to applause from the highly educated audience, Unruh's
business suit was ripped off to reveal a golden leotard with a
three-foot-long phallus. The purpose of the "Management Leisure Suit",
he explained, was to allow managers, no matter where they were, to
monitor their distant, impoverished workforces and to administer shocks
to encourage productivity--assuring that no "Gandhi-type situation"
develop again.

"If a group of Ph.D.s cheers at such crudely crazy things, just
because it's the WTO saying them, what else can the WTO get away with?"
said Andy Bichlbaum of the Yes Men, the impostors' umbrella group.
(The entire PowerPoint lecture is available at
www.theyesmen.org/finland/, along with some shots captured by a video
crew preparing a film on the Yes Men's activities.)

The Yes Men had a similar experience last October with a group of
international trade lawyers (www.theyesmen.org/wto/). And in July, a
member of the group, again passing as a representative of the WTO,
appeared on a major television network show about protest's
effect on the market (www.theyesmen.org/tv.html); among other things,
he spoke about how the privatization of education will naturally
eliminate "unproductive" thinkers from the high-school classroom, a
long-term solution to the problem of protest. (Because the imposture
was not noticed and the Yes Men hope for further appearances, the
show's name is being withheld.)

In other quarterly developments:

A conference session on techniques to counter anti-corporate activism,
normally available for $225 to corporate clients, is available to
activists for free at rtmark.com/prsa/, thanks to an anonymous donor.

At the G8 protests in Genoa, activists distributed one thousand vanity
mirrors, which were then used to reflect the sun into the eyes of
attacking policemen; this fulfilled RTMark project MIRR, and those who
carried it out received a $1,000 anonymous investment.

The "Archimedes Project" comes on the heels of the medieval
catapult attack on the FTAA fortress in Quebec City, for which the
workers were awarded $200.

For the upcoming IMF protests in Washington, D.C., on September 29, an
RTMark investor has offered $500 to any Lacrosse team that harnesses
their skills and equipment to throw tear gas
canisters back to the police (rtmark.com/fundhigh.html#LACR).

A software development kit and book from hactivist.com, entitled
"Child as Audience", allows anyone to reverse-engineer the Nintendo
Gameboy. Because of content that many will find objectionable, RTMark
has lent its corporate veil to the project, meaning that any legal flak
will be absorbed by the RTMark corporate body rather than by those
responsible.

The same label that enraged Geffen Records with "Deconstructing Beck"
is issuing its fourth RTMark-sponsored release, "A Mutated Christmas,"
a paean to musical sharing illegally assembled from copyrighted holiday
music. Promotional copies will be available in late September; press
and radio requests should be directed to
illegalart@detritus.net. RTMark's primary goal is to publicize
corporate subversion of the democratic process. To this end it acts as
a clearinghouse for anti-corporate projects. A list of just-
added projects is maintained at rtmark.com/new.html.

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 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 242 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Dec  3, 2001 (13:22) * 31 lines 
 
What is 'IT'? This mysterious invention, reportedly created by National
Medal of Technology Award winner, Dean Kamen, is on everyone's lips and
has captured everyone's imaginations. According to published reports, IT
has caught the undivided attentions of tech revolutionaries like Apple's
Steve Jobs and Amazon.com entrepreneur Jeff Bezos. Dean Kamen Photo
Courtesy of US Department of Commerce

Alledgedly, these progressive minds are stunned; praise and sheer
amazement flow from the lucky few who have seen IT (code name: Ginger). A
book deal is already in the works, news magazines are clamoring for
information, and the Internet is a flurry of IT chatter. What is IT?
Reportedly, we know IT is not medicinal in nature, will be mass produced,
will affect cities and the environment, as well as conventions and
old-money institutions, and will, (according to the handful of people who
have seen it) change lives and trains of thought.

IT Speculation naturally shifts to a mode of modern personal
transportation, due to Kamen's latest invention, the iBot: A wheelchair
that can traverse sand, go upstairs and stand on two wheels with the
balance of a ballerina. But that is only speculation. The public does not
know what IT is, and won't know until its planned 2002 release.

http://www.theitquestion.com/

The curtain in front of IT is up: A two-wheeled, intuitive personal
transportation device that won't fall. This super-smart, computer
chip-laden machine won't topple with a driver's clumsiness. Instead, it
responds to a driver's slight moves and runs on pennies worth of
electricity a day. It's called the Segway, travels about three times the
speed of walking and is intended for sidewalks and inner-city jaunts.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 243 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Dec  3, 2001 (13:22) * 1 lines 
 



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 244 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar  3, 2002 (18:26) * 3 lines 
 
and some classic irony for you:

http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=612dab9ed4aadeebaef903a6b57c8732&lat=1015205298&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ereuters%2ecom%2fnews_article%2ejhtml%3bjsessionid%3dWJHQTYKISVWXQCRBAE0CFFA


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 245 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar  3, 2002 (18:27) * 1 lines 
 
ne-vuh mind....here's the story--you know that gigantic train wreck in africa (believe it was africa)? well, this guy survived and went on with his travel. on the way home, he took the train. guess what? this one crashed and he died in it.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 246 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar  3, 2002 (18:29) * 11 lines 
 
from reuters:

CAIRO (Reuters) - A survivor of Egypt's biggest train disaster who escaped with light injuries after jumping off one of the rear carriages died on his return journey Thursday by falling under another train, security sources said.

Abdel-Rahim Qenawi, a 22-year-old laborer from the town of el-Maragha about 360 km (225 miles) south of Cairo, escaped from a fire eight days ago which killed about 360 people when it swept through seven carriages of a crowded passenger train.

After spending the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha with his family over the past week, he was waiting at Maragha train station to return to Cairo when he slipped under a passing train and was killed, the sources said.






 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 247 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Sun, Mar  3, 2002 (18:29) * 1 lines 
 
(sorry, the train didn't crash, he was ran over--how very sad)


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 248 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  3, 2002 (20:48) * 1 lines 
 
HHis number was up no matter what. This is truly sad. I had not heard of this. Only about the terrible tran burning in India.


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 249 of 251: Marcia  (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar  3, 2002 (20:50) * 3 lines 
 
On a happier note, they are doing their first Spacewalk to work on the Hubble. You can watch on your computer and listen, too

http://www.unitedspacealliance.com/live/nasatv.htm


 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 250 of 251: Wolf  (wolf) * Wed, Mar  6, 2002 (16:58) * 16 lines 
 
here's another weird one.

Coincidence? I think not.....

From Reuters today:

HELSINKI (Reuters) - Finnish twin brothers, aged 71, were killed in identical bicycle accidents along the same road two hours apart, police said Wednesday.

"This is simply a historic coincidence. Although the road is a busy one, accidents don't occur every day," police officer Marja-Leena Huhtala told Reuters.

"It made my hair stand on end when I heard the two were brothers, and identical twins at that. It came to mind that perhaps someone from upstairs had a say in this," she said.

One twin was hit by a truck and killed while out cycling early Tuesday on the west coast of Finland.

Before police had identified the body and informed family members, his brother was killed on his bicycle by a second truck a half-mile down the road.



 Topic 10 of 96 [news]: News from outside the Spring
 Response 251 of 251: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jun 13, 2004 (04:27) * 3 lines 
 
Reagan entombed

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Ronald Reagan's body was sealed inside a tomb Saturday at his hilltop presidential library following a week of mourning and remembrance by world leaders and regular Americans.

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