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Topic 6 of 96: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!

Thu, Nov 27, 1997 (06:50) | Mike Griggs (mikeg)

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 Response 1 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Dec  8, 1997 (18:10) * 1 lines 
 
NOT! There's no need to ask again!


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 Response 2 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Mon, Dec  8, 1997 (19:06) * 3 lines 
 
Far be it for me to decide how many copies of a topic that Yapp
should open.....I've already suggested that terry delete this one :)



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 Response 3 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Dec  8, 1997 (23:36) * 2 lines 
 
Does this mean that you're just
an amateur, stacey?


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 Response 4 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Dec  9, 1997 (10:20) * 2 lines 
 
Hmmmm. Loaded question.
I prefer to view it as, I always like more practice!


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 Response 5 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Dec  9, 1997 (11:48) * 2 lines 
 
Always willing to further your education,
is that it?


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 Response 6 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Tue, Dec  9, 1997 (18:21) * 1 lines 
 
In the name of exploration... of course!


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 Response 7 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Dec  9, 1997 (23:09) * 1 lines 
 
Spelunking?


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 Response 8 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (09:47) * 1 lines 
 
screwing around inside a cave. Well, not exactly screwing around...


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 Response 9 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Dec 10, 1997 (11:44) * 2 lines 
 
More like exploring all the
nooks and crannies...


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 Response 10 of 108: Donnal Walter  (donnal) * Fri, Dec 12, 1997 (20:10) * 1 lines 
 
How does one scribble a posted response on the Spring?


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 Response 11 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Dec 13, 1997 (19:18) * 2 lines 
 
In telnet I think it's hide



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 Response 12 of 108: Donnal Walter  (donnal) * Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (08:56) * 1 lines 
 
Apparently I have no telnet access.


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 Response 13 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Sat, Feb 21, 1998 (05:33) * 2 lines 
 
OK, does anyone know who the host of the "drool" conference is? I opened a new topic there a couple of days ago, and it seems to have been deleted, with no reason given...I'm entirely unimpressed, as you may imagine :/



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 Response 14 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Feb 21, 1998 (21:40) * 2 lines 
 
Check with Nan.



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 Response 15 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (10:19) * 9 lines 
 
(Mike) OK, does anyone know who the host of the "drool" conference is?

That's me ;-)

I opened a new topic there a couple of days ago, and it seems to have been deleted, with no reason given...I'm entirely unimpressed, as you may imagine :/

Yes, I imagine so. Sorry, Mike--I haven't retired a topic since November. Though, I'm not the only one who can retire or kill topics ar drool. Also, we've been having some strange technical problems the last month or so. Who knows? I didn't even see your topic. What was it? Something juicy, I hope ;-)

BTW, I almost never get out of drool so if you need to find me you should post something there--the "Help" board is probably the best bet.


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 Response 16 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (10:34) * 4 lines 
 
Hehehe....nothing juicy, i'm afraid, it was just an announcement that I was going to ask you to instantly freeze :)

Other people can kill/retire topics in drool? Are you the only host or are there others?



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 Response 17 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (10:54) * 1 lines 
 
No new sex scandal? Nothing juicy? Too bad.


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 Response 18 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (10:56) * 2 lines 
 
Heee....request for bios, actually, but there you go :)



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 Response 19 of 108: Myretta   (mrobens) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (12:11) * 2 lines 
 
Mike,
I removed the request for bios topic on the Drool Conference as it seemed to me to be an excessively intrusive request, especially without checking first with the conference host. I hardly think you should be put out at having a topic removed without your knowledge as you seemed to feel free to add it without the knowledge of the host.


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 Response 20 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (13:18) * 5 lines 
 
Well, to be perfectly honest, I believe I am free to open a topic wherever I damn well like! If everyone here sought the agreement of the conference host
before they opened a topic then we'd be screwed, seeing as the name of the host is not shown anywhere in the Conference main page. The fact that the topic was opened also with the good of the entire Spring community in mind makes this doubly offensive.

The Spring is not run exclusively for the good of drool conference members.



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 Response 21 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (13:19) * 15 lines 
 
(Mike) Hehehe....nothing juicy, i'm afraid, it was just an announcement that I was going to ask you to instantly freeze :)

Hmmm...

Other people can kill/retire topics in drool? Are you the only host or are there others?

Technically, I'm the only host. However, I requested that my predecessors retain their host privileges. It never hurts to have an extra set of eyes helping you out and we are always of one mind. How many people can you say that about?

(Terry)No new sex scandal? Nothing juicy? Too bad.

See? Terry knows me...;-)

(Mike) Heee....request for bios, actually, but there you go :)

Aaah, now I see why Myretta deleted it. I probably would have as well, had I seen it first. Truth is, Mike...drool is one of those places where half the contributors don't even use their real names. I don't think you'd have gotten a response from anyone.


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 Response 22 of 108: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (15:30) * 4 lines 
 
christ!
so what? no one compels anyone to respond to anything... and regardless, rudeness is rudeness... and to delete someone's topic- especially one as innocuous and well-meaning as this one- was manifestly rude...
(not to mention the fact that the request was entirely a matter of individual choice!)



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 Response 23 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (16:26) * 19 lines 
 
I'm going to liassez faire with this one, except to say that drool is
it's own little island universe on the spring, almost like another
country. And they basically promulgate their own groundrules and I try
and stay out of the way.

In general, in the mainstream conferences on the Spring, I work hard to
not delete topics, I might send someone a gentle urging to create it in
the right conference if it looks like it's not related to the overall
conference.

I appreciate Mike's effort to help us get to know each other and I
appreciate Nan's efforts to serve her little community of droolers.
Hopefully, the twain will meet somewhere or maybe it won't. I think we
can still all get along.

My gosh, we've almost got a real, down to earth "thrash" on the mild,
innocuous spring!




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 Response 24 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (16:50) * 9 lines 
 
Mike, my name and e-mail ability is in the food conference header,
as per your request...
Myretta, if a host doesn't want anyone to open new conferences,
they should change it with their hostly powers, not take it out on
posters, we need to keep the traffic around here, not run it off...
Nick, not as eloquent as usual, but nonetheless valid observantions...
Terry, I tried to keep out, also, seems I couldn't...Maybe if drool is its
own little island universe, it should have different access points so
those that are unwanted don't wander in by accident...


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 Response 25 of 108: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (18:04) * 2 lines 
 
(god forbid... might wind up firth-ed to death-
by accident, of course)


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 Response 26 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (18:43) * 7 lines 
 
WER - thanks. I've updated the header in the Farrawae conference too.

Terry, as for Drool being its own little island universe, perhaps they should shut themselves off if that's what they want? I for one have no interest in seeing the five previous posts on the Conference Main Page being taken up with Colin Firth. Perhaps, even, they should disappear to their own mailing list - that way they could even regulate who could read, let alone post!

Myretta, I'm rather saddened by the fact that you deleted the topic. The fact that you didn't feel the topic was worthwhile does not mean other members of Drool would have felt the same. In my opinion, the Host who does not encourage the development of new topics and ideas is no Host at all. Maybe you should take some time to think about it.




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 Response 27 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (20:11) * 7 lines 
 
I have to agree with you guys, it's a matter of choice whether or not to respond
to a new topic. No response means no interest. Myretta, really feel that you
owed Mike a warning or something. Besides, there is a button to help any of us
create a topic that we think would be interesting. And if Drool is it's own private
world, then it shouldn't be open to the rest of us to meddle in, seeing as how
we're unwanted there in the first place. Surprised my duchovny topic wasn't
taken off the air.


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 Response 28 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (20:38) * 38 lines 
 
(nick) christ! so what? no one compels anyone to respond to anything... and regardless, rudeness is rudeness...

Indeed it is. And at the risk of sounding as childish as the rest of you...Mike started it with his ďIím not impressedĒ remark.

(Terry) I'm going to liassez faire with this one, except to say that drool is it's own little island universe on the spring, almost like another country.

Actually, yes it is. I think you really have to understand that the ladies who participate at drool are here for that reason only. Itís nothing personal, thatís just the way it is. We rarely talk about our personal lives and most of us have no idea what the others do for a living or where they reside. Feeling that public boards are not the place to have private discussions, we save those conversations for email. Sorry if it offends you.

(Terry) My gosh, we've almost got a real, down to earth "thrash" on the mild, innocuous spring!

Oh this is nothing, Terry. You should see when the girls get going.

Myretta, if a host doesn't want anyone to open new conferences, they should change it with their hostly powers, not take it out on posters,

If you have a problem with the way the drool conference is being handled, please direct your comments to me. Also, I have repeatedly tried to change the option on my host board. However, the changes are never accepted. So, Terry, if you please--could you change the option to ďmust be a host of the conferenceĒ?
I wish to avoid similar problems in the future...if there is a future that is.

we need to keep the traffic around here, not run it off...

Forgive me, but drool was dead until I got here and I have spent the better part of 4 months emailing everyone I could think of to get bodies in there. It is now one of the most popular conferences. The only people I drive away are those who shouldnít be there...children, etc.

Maybe if drool is its own little island universe, it should have different access points so those that are unwanted don't wander in by accident...

I want to be perfectly clear, itís not that Mike or you or anyone else is not wanted. If you guys want to come in and drool over Kevin Costner, well that works for me. Itís that the topic had nothing to do with drooling of any kind. I think it very unfair that those of you who donít know me are forming opinions about me (or Myretta) because of the way I choose to run a conference in which you do not participate. I deal with enough as is, I donít need it from you.

(Mike)Terry, as for Drool being its own little island universe, perhaps they should shut themselves off if that's what they want?

You know something Mike, thatís the first thing youíve said with which I agree. I was thinking that perhaps I should move drool somewhere else since it is not ďcontributing to the good of the SpringĒ. Letís forget the number of hits it generates. BTW Mike, I donít think that antagonizing other posters is doing anything good for the ďcommunityĒ either.

I for one have no interest in seeing the five previous posts on the Conference Main Page being taken up with Colin Firth.

This does not surprise me. The conference header very clearly states that itís a place for women. If you donít like it, donít look.

In my opinion, the Host who does not encourage the development of new topics and ideas is no Host at all.

And in my opinion, it is rude to start a topic without checking with the host. I am easy enough to find if you were really interesting in looking. I would never do it in your conference, especially if it had no relationship to anything else on the boards. I encourage the development of topics which are related to the conference in general--everything else goes. Thatís my rule. Terry has repeatedly told me that I should do whatever I feel is best. Out of respect for him, I have left topics that he
tarted which have not shown movement for almost a year, because I felt it was the right thing to do. Tell you what guys, Iíll take care of the ladies drool and you take care of everything else.



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 Response 29 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (20:58) * 3 lines 
 
(Wolf)And if Drool is it's own private world, then it shouldn't be open to the rest of us to meddle in, seeing as how we're unwanted there in the first place. Surprised my duchovny topic wasn't taken off the air.

Thanks for fanning the flames. You've been most helpful.


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 Response 30 of 108: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (21:49) * 29 lines 
 
(sigh)
certainly don't want to belabor this (already been
done, it seems)... but the fact is mike's harmless
comment about "not being impressed" (for which, if
i remember, you said you didn't blame him) after his
topic was summarily deleted was hardly justification
for the explanation (retort) he received in response...
objectively, you surely know he meant no harm whatsoever,
and if you've paid any attention at all you know he
worked damned hard getting the bio's thing together,
purely for the benefit of enhancing the spring (just,
apparently, as you have done by resuscitating drool...
so your interests should complement each other, after
all, right?)... c'mon, don't you think, especially under
these circumstances, that perhaps a little tact was in
order?
and i don't think anyone bears any ill will toward you
droolers... no need to initiate division of property
proceedings or anything... it's not like we wander in
to your conference, razing and burning (at least not on a
regular basis)... and it bears mentioning that mike made
his (innocent, i thought) comment in this conference, on
his own "turf", so to speak... and it certainly wasn't
made, i'm sure you'll concur, with the intention of starting
a civil war (and myretta started that, anyway... and what
ever happened to the idea of a history conference, incidentally?)...
anyway, like mlk posed... "where do we go from here- chaos or
community?"...
(promise, my mouth's shut now...)


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 Response 31 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (23:39) * 17 lines 
 
Nan, no offense to or with you, I was simply responding to the person
who made the comment...
and, yes, I formed an opinion on someone based on one post made in a very
public conference, my bad, just as the rest here have formed some that
are not necessarily correct...(or necessarily incorrect, for that matter...)
and, I compliment you on the traffic that you have generated, that does
serve to further the Spring, as would having them visit other conferences,
and just as on-line bios have historically helped other boards (and, yes,
I do realize that there is probably no proof that not having them is a
detriment...)
and, opinions are great, as is voicing them...that is the purpose of all
of this, right? As is some antagonizing, especially if it furthers the
discussion...
and this, btw, has furthered quite a bit...

(Nick and Wolf, maybe we should get the porch conference on the
War of Words webring, now...)


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 Response 32 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (12:08) * 4 lines 
 
I'll try and fix the problem you mentioned about hosts opening topics.
That's how you want and I want to facilitate. And I surely like it that
you're here in your own happy little island world, drooling over the
greatest hunks of the world.


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 Response 33 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (12:23) * 21 lines 
 
Let me try to explain some things about myself and drool so that we may move on:

I feel quite certain that Mike only meant to do what was best for Spring. I can appreciate the time heís devoted to the bios. In fact, Iím rather surprised that we havenít met before. I would not have seen Mikeís first message here, had I not been directed to it by Terry. Poor thing, he was only trying to get some communication going. Sorry, Terry---donít worry this too, shall pass.

And the truth is Nick, I donít pay attention to whatís going on at the rest of Spring. Itís not that I wish us to be segregated or that I have no interest. My problem is lack of time. I can just keep up with the boards I have, let alone visit others. This is why there are other people who have host privileges in my conference.

Now, to understand the ladies...I donít know how it is in other conferences, but droolers are a rather...er, volatile bunch. Little arguments (for lack of a better word) are commonplace there. Nothing like a bunch of opinionated women all drooling over the same man to cause a stir. I spend a good portion of my time putting out little fires, smoothing over differences and emailing the women who are still pouting over their bruised feelings. Come to think of it, drool would probably be a very interesting su
ject for someone doing a psychological study of cyber communities.

Weíve also had a series of strange technical difficulties--boards vanishing (no mention in the logs, nothing), posting problems, boards not showing new messages, etc.

I tend to be very protective of the ladies--because there is a certain stigma attached to spending your off-hours talking about pretty men. I agree, itís not rocket science, but itís not intended to be either. Drool is about sheer nonsense...silliness for the sake of it. This is why we tend to stay to ourselves, because (right or wrong) many of us feel our discussions are looked down upon by the more serious people in other communities (not necessarily those in Spring). Many use pseudonyms and many never
ell their ďreal lifeĒ friends about it. While I have no shame about drooling, some consider it a dirty little secret.

In terms of all the things said here in the last 24 hours, yes...Iíd be very happy to come to a mutual understanding. This rather verbose post will, hopefully, allow you to understand something about me and the rest of the ladies who drool.

Myretta is a very dear friend of mine, as Mike clearly is to you. After reading Mikeís first post and knowing I never visit this conference, I imagine Myretta felt that he was talking about me behind my back...so she was defending me. After Myrettaís reply, all of you attacked her, hence my last reply. So now, weíre just going around in circles, wasting time and space.

Despite any problems, I enjoy the drool conference and want to continue it as long as thereís someone to drool over. Itís a great stress reliever and the ladies really are quite terrific. If you really want to get to know them better, thatís great. If you can get them to visit other conferences, more power to you. The truth is, I donít think most of them realize there is anything else at Spring except drool, thatís how single minded they are. Iím not trying to be difficult here, just realistic...I
eally donít think that a bios board would be successful there. It makes me wild when a topic is started, then dies quickly--one of my pet peeves. So, rather than a bio board, I propose that I start a general Spring topic. Where you (or anyone else) can post about whatís going on in the rest of the community, try to get people involved, get their bios if you can, etc. Will that help you at all?



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 Response 34 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (12:32) * 7 lines 
 
(Terry) I'll try and fix the problem you mentioned about hosts opening topics.That's how you want and I want to facilitate.

Thanks Terry. While you're at it, perhaps you can figure out why I can't change anything on the host's page. None of the changes is ever accepted. As you know, I change the main page photo every so often, but I can't do it by changing the header at the host's page. Right now we have it set up in a rather clunky, but usable, fashion.

And I surely like it that you're here in your own happy little island world, drooling over the greatest hunks of the world.

You and me both, m'dear.


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 Response 35 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (19:37) * 20 lines 
 
Well, that's certainly generated a goodly number of posts. I can't reply to every point because scrolling up and down the screen at 1a.m. is doing my eyes in :)

A few things that pop up, though: I am actually intrigued by the popularity of Drool, and had considered opening a topic in Drool, in here, or on The WELL about the social implications of a "safe-place" for women to air (for want of a better term) "drooling".

Also, Nancy, I feel that perhaps your speaking for the collectively for all members of Drool is a little off the mark. I accept, of course, that you know them all much better than I am ever likely to, but to simply cut off a topic because you don't think it is interesting is (how shall I phrase this..?) "not quite in the spirit of things" (there :) However, I would like to re-open the topic again, simply because on-line bios are a Spring-wide phenomenon and I would like to share this fact with ar
uably the biggest conference on Spring at present.

As for opening topics without asking the host, I suggest that you make this VERY CLEAR in the conference header (along with your name and e-mail contact etc.). It is obvious that different conferences develop different social contracts within themselves, but to keep these contracts entirely "unwritten" and then castigate publicly those who accidentally transgress them is (and again...) "not quite in the spirit of things".

nan: and knowing I never visit this conference
well, with Porch being the starting point for the Spring, and you being a conference host, perhaps you should drop in a little more often...?

Finally, (in what has pretty much become a response so far just to Nan :) bios are eventually going to be much more integrated into Spring, so there won't be any need for me to go out and trawl conferences to tell people about it (kind of like being an evangelist, but that's another story...:)

Now a little history of what is quickly becoming a famous Spring topic :)
Popping up the conference index and selecting Drool was (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) a physically nerve-wracking experience. I pondered long and hard over whether to enter the topic, and scrolled up and down the list of topics many times trying to work out the host. I had thought it might be Amy, since she had many, many topics opened with her name. "But what the hey,", I thought, it's only a topic after all, so I entered it - KABLOOM!

Sorry about the length of that one :)




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 Response 36 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (22:12) * 37 lines 
 
Also, Nancy, I feel that perhaps your speaking for the collectively for all members of Drool is a little off the mark.

Canít say I agree with that.

I accept, of course, that you know them all much better than I am ever likely to, but to simply cut off a topic because you don't think it is interesting is (how shall I phrase this..?) "not quite in the spirit of things" (there :)

Very diplomatic, Michael. Well done. However, I didnít say the topic wasnít interesting, just that it had nothing to do with drool. I think Iím missing something here so, perhaps you can explain it. What exactly is ďthe spirit of thingsĒ? When I first became host of drool (last Summer) I was sort of...plopped in the middle of things. I had no idea how to get people in there, no clue how the software worked...nada. Therefore, I spent all my time just trying to get it to float...then flourish. I really did
ít concern myself with the rest of Spring, because I really believed that my ďjobĒ was to get the traffic in drool. Please explain, because Iím clearly unaware of whatís going on at the rest of this site.

However, I would like to re-open the topic again, simply because on-line bios are a Spring-wide phenomenon and I would like to share this fact with aruably the biggest conference on Spring at present.

I will start the general Spring topic, feel free to post whatever you want about bios there. But I would like to hear about the "spirit of things" first, if you don't mind.

As for opening topics without asking the host, I suggest that you make this VERY CLEAR in the conference header (along with your name and e-mail contact etc.).

Will do.

(Mike) well, with Porch being the starting point for the Spring, and you being a conference host, perhaps you should drop in a little more often...?

Iím not opposed to that idea and will drop by from time to time. Please understand that my main responsibility is to drool and those who participate in it. I am most concerned with getting and keeping the bodies in there--something which is best served at the conference itself.

Popping up the conference index and selecting Drool was (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) a physically nerve-wracking experience.

I guess if youíre not driven to enter (by overwhelming lust for some unattainable man) then it very well might be.

I pondered long and hard over whether to enter the topic, and scrolled up and down the list of topics many times trying to work out the host. I had thought it might be Amy,

Actually, Amy would have been a good choice as she would have forwarded the message, but no matter.

since she had many, many topics opened with her name. "But what the hey,", I thought, it's only a topic after all, so I entered it - KABLOOM!

Thatís a good point, itís not that important in the whole grand scheme of things. Myretta killed the topic, not your dog ;-) If I may ask...why didnít you just ask Terry who the host was? It appears that you and I are working from a similar viewpoint: You think it was presumptuous of us to remove a topic without telling you and I think it was presumptuous of you to start an unrelated topic in a conference that Iíve worked very hard to build. So there, weíre even ;-)

Sorry about the length of that one :)

Geez, you thought that was long? Youíd lose your mind at drool...the girls can talk.



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 Response 37 of 108: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (23:07) * 2 lines 
 
(whew!)
(and we did it without the u.n.)...


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 Response 38 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (23:08) * 2 lines 
 
Hey, if it's too physically nerve wracking, you can always check into the
'babes' conference. It's a guy type thing.


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 Response 39 of 108: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (23:12) * 2 lines 
 
hmmmm...
sounds like it needs a "natalie" topic...


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 Response 40 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (12:17) * 1 lines 
 
talking and smiling!



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 Response 41 of 108: Nan  (nan) * Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (13:01) * 3 lines 
 
(Terry) you can always check into the 'babes' conference. It's a guy type thing.

Aah, so you did start the "babes" conference. Do you want to move Bullock and Hooks over there? While I'm at it, would you like me to say something in the Drool header about Babes--a link or something, so that men who are lost won't run away? (After discovering the big scary Colin photo, that is ;-p)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 42 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (13:06) * 2 lines 
 
Hey, I loved your conference header...
in fact, it has inspired me to enhance the food conference...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 43 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (13:48) * 3 lines 
 
Sure, we could do that. I'll move those over and email you when it's done.
That way the guys coming to drool can have their outlet too.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 44 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (19:48) * 16 lines 
 
My opinion follows:

The "spirit of things", Nan, is to build up, not put down. To encourage, rather than discourage. To work to produce something better, rather than simply culling what is not perfect. Also, the "spirit of things" is that we are all a part of "it", whatever "it" happens to be. If "it" happens to be the Spring, then I, you and we collectively are all part of "it", whichever conference(s) we hang out in. Co-operation, complementation, agreement and forward-looking actions are all part of the "spirit". Ha
I been e-mailed by you or Myretta or whoever about the topic, mentioning that perhaps it was not quite right, but perhaps including suggestions on how to make it right (like the suggestion you have put forward yourself now), then this somehow would have been "in the spirit". The "spirit" is not to cut down but to build up.

Also, the "spirit" is that here we are all equal. We are removed from a normal heirachy by the fact that our only medium of exchange is textual, in the same font, with the same headers. And in that equality, we are all free to make our own decisions as to what is worthy and what is not - there is no place for over-bearing authority, and decisions for the many decided by the few; neither here, nor on the net in general.

A very obvious example is ARPANet, the earliest form of the internet that both you and I now use. It was developed as an academic/military system for nuclear scenarios etc., but alongside it grew the message list "SF LOVERS". And from that very list grew what you and I are using now. Without the foresight (or oversight, delete relevant to your cynicism :) of those in charge to leave a completely irrelevant use of America's most advanced tool in place, we would now have a militarised/commercialised/auth
ritarian net, rather than the anarchic freedom which we still enjoy. This freedom is being encroached left, right and centre by Capitol Hill, and the last thing we need is for a replication of that sort of thing here. A simple fact, that I am not willing to concede under any circumstances whatsoever, is that you are not qualified to speak for everyone in Drool, just as the Senate isn't qualified to speak for American/Worldwide netizens. Period.

...end of opinion.

One thing I'm concerned about, Nan, is your view that because you built Drool up from nothing/very little, that in some way you "own" it. Did you not build Drool up for the good of the Spring in general, or was it a tool for building up self-esteem? If it was the latter, then there is no room for that kind of attitude to do anything but go rotten. There are only two ways to gain recognition in a virtual community: 1) do something totally amazing, preferably in a non-virtual context; 2) abuse one's powe
. Otherwise one may as well just forget recognition for anything but one's way with words.




 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 45 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (22:13) * 4 lines 
 
enough, the "thrash" is over, compromises were made,
that's it...
(and, yes, I may very well be overbearing and "outside"
my authority but, whatcha gonna do, fire me?)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 46 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (08:57) * 4 lines 
 
true enough, WER, the thrash is over (and I do *love* that word :), but Nan asked me what
"the spirit" was, so I thought I'd let her know.
But, as you say, enough. Back to a silent porch conf.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 47 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (13:38) * 2 lines 
 
Nope, not silent, just other stuff...
Okay, how do I get/put images in the yapp-icons directory?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 48 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (14:59) * 3 lines 
 
Just put 'em in your own user directory and link to them there. If you
need anymore help on linking, let me know.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 49 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (17:13) * 1 lines 
 
wow! I was only gone for a week (or two?) and I missed all the good stuff!!


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 50 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (18:06) * 9 lines 
 
fifteen days, Stacey...
(not that I was counting...)

That will work with the background gifs?
Do I need to replicate the navigation buttons
in order to define the new gif directory?
Sorry, I should've been more explicit.
(ooh, a new first for me here, I wasn't
explicit enough...)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 51 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (20:13) * 1 lines 
 
oooo, you're using explicit (twice), rather dangerous there, wer! *giggle*


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 52 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:24) * 2 lines 
 
maybe there should be a philosophy topic
for Using vs. Being...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 53 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:27) * 1 lines 
 
now that would be interesting! (hi wer)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 54 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:29) * 2 lines 
 
hey, sweetie! how ya been?
Where ya wanna go?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 55 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:32) * 3 lines 
 
am doin'...you?

dunno, where ya wanna take us?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 56 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:34) * 3 lines 
 
same, I guess?

trust me to drive, do you?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 57 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:37) * 1 lines 
 
aw, maybe we oughta just walk


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 58 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:39) * 1 lines 
 
can we skip?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 59 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:42) * 1 lines 
 
sure! where'd ya feel like goin'?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 60 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:45) * 4 lines 
 
don't care...
can we sing the smurf song, too?
(you decide while I step outside
for a cigarette...)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 61 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:46) * 1 lines 
 
la la lalalala la lalala


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 62 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:47) * 1 lines 
 
la (forgot that last note)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 63 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:51) * 6 lines 
 
actually, wolfsie, gotta run--
lotsa lightning in the area,
looks like we're getting your storm...
thanks for hanging around for a bit,
and e-mail me if'n ya wants,
I'll "talk" to you somehow tomorrow


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 64 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:54) * 1 lines 
 
k! we just found out the storms is on its way. hope it doesn't hit too bad.....


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 65 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:56) * 2 lines 
 
me, too...
sweet dreams!


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 66 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (01:38) * 2 lines 
 
March comin' in like a lambie pie.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 67 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (17:14) * 1 lines 
 
not in Colorado (the new windy city... without all the politicians!)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 68 of 108: Wolf  (Wolf) * Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (20:22) * 1 lines 
 
same here, windy as all get out....


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 69 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (22:34) * 62 lines 
 
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this massive piece of drift, ya.


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 70 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (07:48) * 2 lines 
 
hahahahhahah :))))) *amusement* :)



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 71 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (08:15) * 1 lines 
 
Mike, did you ever get hooked up with the guy who wants to trade scripts?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 72 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (19:35) * 2 lines 
 
I got the e-mail, and to be honest I haven't had time. However, I was thinking about it today, so I will dig the e-mail out and get in touch with him.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 73 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (05:51) * 2 lines 
 
More from him last night, to be forwarded to you.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 74 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (06:39) * 41 lines 
 

Sounds like a good trade to me. I am doing a CGI project for the
Exploratorium in San Francisco on a volunteer basis and that is why I
need the test space. I don't have years of experience doing this, but
there are some prewritten CGI libraries available that allow a developer
to write a CGI script that will put up the HTML form and collect the
data. At this point I would have to say that I could probably write the
part that put up the HTML and collected the data. So, in that regard,
let me take a stab at what I think you might mean.

Name:
Email:
What you do in real life:
Favorite sites on the web:
Other interests, and miscellaneous biographical information:

Other or different fields that you have in mind:

A couple of areas that I am going to have to do some research on, or get
ideas about:

If there are variables that I can access for the visitor's email
address, or am I going to
have to make them enter it by hand.

How to link the information I collect to the visitor's alias. Maybe
the people at the Well
would be willing to part with some secrets in that regard.

Anyway, I think it would be fun to be involved in writing the CGI script
for this, and if the library I mentioned is loaded, or could be loaded,
on the server, I don't think it would be too
much work to get to the point of having the form displayed and
collecting the information.

Let me know what fields and other form elements you think should be in
there. I will follow up with some questions for Terry.

Regards,
Bill



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 75 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (17:33) * 4 lines 
 
yup, got that and replied.

Looks like it shouldn't be too long before we have something working in beta!



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 76 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr  2, 1998 (14:56) * 3 lines 
 
Hey, Terry/Paul, or should that be Paul/Terry?
Anyway, can different conferences use different templates?
Gotta idea ands I need to know...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 77 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Apr  2, 1998 (19:12) * 2 lines 
 
Yep, two different conferences can have their own customizations.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 78 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Fri, Apr  3, 1998 (16:16) * 2 lines 
 
explain further...as Babes host it would be cool to know what's possible etc.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 79 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Apr  3, 1998 (21:25) * 6 lines 
 
Have you played around with the text entry boxes for hosts on the web.
And there's a whole host manual waiting for you on

http://www.armidalesoftware.com




 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 80 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Apr  4, 1998 (00:26) * 2 lines 
 
Sorry, Terry, but none of the links on the documentation page work,
or at least not from my house on AOL...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 81 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Apr  4, 1998 (00:30) * 2 lines 
 
their Yapp system is down at the moment, also...
you oughta tell them to change your link to spring.net, too...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 82 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Apr  4, 1998 (06:03) * 1 lines 
 
Them and 2500 other websites!


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 83 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Sat, Apr  4, 1998 (15:11) * 1 lines 
 
yep...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 84 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (01:33) * 2 lines 
 
Finally got onto their message boards,
but the documentation links still no worky...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 85 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (01:35) * 2 lines 
 
And, did you know, the latest responses links on main here
all take you back to spring.com instead of staying on spring.net?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 86 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (10:13) * 2 lines 
 
I'm going to have to do a massive grep and replace soon.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 87 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (10:21) * 6 lines 
 
Soon as in today or tomorrow. We're just going to go in and grep and
replace *very* instance of spring.com to spring.net. So if you read this
in a couple of days spring.com should read spring.net. It won't make
sense in posts where there are references to spring.com as the old system.
But it's a small sacrifice to make in saving all our links and absolute
references.


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 88 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (12:27) * 2 lines 
 
got it.
(like a bunch of our old posts make sense anyway...)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 89 of 108: Mike Griggs  (mikeg) * Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (18:12) * 4 lines 
 
*lol* :)))

It's mainly you and someone else flirting, WER :)



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 90 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Apr 10, 1998 (00:32) * 5 lines 
 
nonono...
others did their fair share, also...
besides, near as I can tell, Stacey and I
have been pretty much equal opportunity,
it is just, um, well, we play good together...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 91 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Apr 13, 1998 (09:00) * 4 lines 
 
speaking of others doing 'their fair share'...
where's Wolf?

and yes, WER, I like to play!


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 92 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Apr 13, 1998 (09:29) * 2 lines 
 
She's back, actually, e-mailed me yesterday...
(I know, and I usually either play to win or forget that I'm playing...)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 93 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Apr 13, 1998 (23:58) * 1 lines 
 
(or just spectate if I know I'm really, really bad at that game)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 94 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Apr 16, 1998 (08:41) * 1 lines 
 
I'd rather jump in with both feet and keep working til I get good at the game than admit I have no skills in that area.


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 95 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 16, 1998 (11:13) * 1 lines 
 
Bet you don't...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 96 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Apr 17, 1998 (15:18) * 1 lines 
 
have skills in that area???


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 97 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Fri, Apr 17, 1998 (16:17) * 1 lines 
 
no, always jump right in...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 98 of 108: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (00:10) * 1 lines 
 
(pass)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 99 of 108: wer  (KitchenManager) * Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (23:58) * 1 lines 
 
thought so...


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 100 of 108: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (22:37) * 11 lines 
 

hey austin folks.....

anyone know of a place around where we can buy some really big electric
fans?

my church (the san fernando cathedral) in san antonio is looking to
buy some to augment the AC during these very hot summer days. we are looking
for the ones that are big and round and stand up on a pedestal.

thanks for any info!


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 101 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (09:18) * 3 lines 
 
Call John Hoberman at Tejas Restaurant Equipment. John's a rich, old
hippie with a lot of "stuff" around. An ex Farmie.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 102 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (09:24) * 1 lines 
 
444-3669 in Austin 2413 Thornton Rd (near S Lamar and Oltorf).


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 103 of 108: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (12:02) * 2 lines 
 

thanks terry!


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 104 of 108: nick a'hannay  (pmnh) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (12:02) * 2 lines 
 
john hoberman's a hippie- farmie type?
(my god)


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 105 of 108: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (12:02) * 2 lines 
 
And very successful.



 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 106 of 108: Riette Walton  (riette) * Wed, Jul 29, 1998 (05:21) * 1 lines 
 
Probably BECAUSE he's a hippie-farmie type. That's like a liberal farmer, right? And how often does one get to meet one of those?


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 107 of 108: Wolf  (wolf) * Mon, Aug 24, 1998 (20:12) * 1 lines 
 
ok, who's john hoberman?????


 Topic 6 of 96 [news]: Experts (or not!) on The Spring!
 Response 108 of 108: Riette Walton  (riette) * Tue, Aug 25, 1998 (01:07) * 1 lines 
 
beats me too

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