Subject: Re: Creating a host help-pack
Here are the things that have been most successful at Drool:
1) I spend a good deal of time poking around and recruiting people. For
example, I'll do a search for a particular actor, say Kevin Costner. I
visit each of the pages dedicated to him and email its creator, telling her
about Spring, etc. More often than not, they come by...even if only to lurk.
2) I visit other, more general, discussion boards. If I see someone
mentions a particular actor, I'll invite her to participate at Spring.
However, I only do this at places where I know some people and feel
comfortable. I don't want to make it seem as though I'm hijacking people.
Just want to let them know they have a place to "play" in addition to the
ones they regularly visit.
I'm sure this would work with other Conferences (definitely would work with
Babes). For example, if we were talking about the Motorcycle Conference, I
would try some of the many Harley-Davidson and Kawasaki sites looking for
friendly, talkative, obsessed (;-p) people. Perhaps that's what makes Drool
so popular--most of us are obsessed (in a cheerfully harmless way, of
course). It makes each drooler visit the boards 4 and 5 times per day to
see what someone else posted.
3) Photos are a crucial part of Drool. If you post a really nice photo,
it's like dropping a bomb in the middle of the room. A whole influx of
messages show up in response to something beautiful (heaven bless the
creator of PhotoShop). I change the picture at the main page of the
Conference every 3-4 weeks (or sooner if the participants complain about
it) ;-p
4) If I can post some news about an actor (release date of his next film,
word on his next project, juicy gossip, etc.) it starts a conversation that
will last a week or more. Fortunately, many of the participants are even
more obsessed than I and they'll hunt for information and save me the
trouble ;-)
5) I try to get acquainted with the people who create pages dedicated to
specific actors. If they give me permission, I'll post a link to their page
at Drool. In return, they sometimes send their friends to Spring.
Of course, all these things take time. Who sleeps? ;-p
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Response 35 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (21:11) * 1 lines
Umm...how does one scribble an individual response in a topic?
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Response 36 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (21:12) * 1 lines
Umm...how does one scribble an individual response in a topic? i just killed an entire topic by accident by hoping that pressing the Kill button might give me some options. Nopee :)
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Response 37 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (21:54) * 1 lines
uh-oh!
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Response 38 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (22:40) * 7 lines
you have to turn it on in the appropriate templates...
it is currently disabled...
I am learning how to reconfigure the templates, and have figured
it out enough to prevent crashes when I change something...with
Terry's permission of course, what features would everyone like
to see available?
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Response 39 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:06) * 1 lines
what the heck is a template? (besides the obvious) what does it control and such? (hi wer)
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Response 40 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:12) * 4 lines
these pages are generated by a program...different parts (the templates)
are put together to make each page (which can also be a templates)...
for example, to turn scribble back on, I think it takes a definition,
and changes to one to three templates...
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Response 41 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:13) * 2 lines
how does one view the template for their conference? (i'm not quite sure i get
the whole thing, but i'm trying-know what a template is but not how they work)
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Response 42 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:14) * 2 lines
oh yeah, love the bit you put in poetry (where it talks about being the host)!
(and i know it was you)
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Response 43 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:19) * 9 lines
I wondered how long it would take you to find that...
that is an example of redefining something...
all conference templates are the same...
all topic templates are the same...
customizations are made in each conferences rc files...
I will have to go look up the name for the confs and topics...
I don't remember their names, just how to find them...
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Response 44 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:22) * 4 lines
(i noticed it the other day) then i went and looked at the rc file (because you
had mentioned it somewhere to someone) and saw the definition, but didn't
understand it at all--like, what does the fw mean and how did it know to fill
in the blanks?
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Response 45 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:29) * 7 lines
fw is short for fair witness...in the main rc files it is defined
as host, I was curious if you could redefine it for each conf, so
I tried it in genx first, then did it to your's in poetry...
how it knows? it is part of the program...each template is regular html
filled in with variables (for the web interface, anyway!) and/or commands,
each variable is either a definition or a sub-template...
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Response 46 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:41) * 3 lines
wow....used to know how to do basic programming involving variables, but this
new stuff, *whew* am learning a lot, though, and still fool around at my site
just to practice the applications...
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Response 47 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:44) * 1 lines
think of the templates as mad libs...the variables are blank but defined...
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Response 48 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:45) * 1 lines
btw, what username did you send Terry for your shell account?
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Response 49 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:46) * 1 lines
bayou (and, did ftp a gif, but can't seem to bring it up in poetry)
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Response 50 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:47) * 1 lines
(hey, i remember mad libs!)
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Response 51 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:49) * 1 lines
just a second...I'm gonna go see what you did, okay?
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Response 52 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:49) * 1 lines
ok, *waiting in agony*
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Response 53 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (23:53) * 4 lines
one, the url is wrong...
secondly, mine says that the directory bayou doesn't exist,
so number one doesn't matter yet...
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Response 54 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:06) * 1 lines
huh? it's bayou@tvnight.org (the ftp worked, anyway) so, now what?
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Response 55 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:07) * 1 lines
check your e-mail...
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Response 56 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:10) * 2 lines
t'anks, will do. hey, i took the mideival occupation test and guess what? my
analysis was the same as yours! great minds think alike, huh? scary or what?
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Response 57 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:12) * 1 lines
scary...and what!
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Response 58 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:13) * 1 lines
ok, now you check your email *grin*
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Response 59 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:15) * 2 lines
you should have two more...
and, already did...
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Response 60 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:18) * 1 lines
besides the two i read? alright, lemme go see....
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Response 61 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:20) * 2 lines
ok, whatever it is didn't make it there yet. hey, i'm sleepy, you? i'll chat with
you tomorrow (will wait for closing remarks)
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Response 62 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:22) * 2 lines
see you tomorrow, then...will see what I can find out
about bayou for you...sweet dreams!
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Response 63 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:23) * 1 lines
thanks, g'night!
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Response 64 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (00:55) * 7 lines
Wolf, do you have a public_html directory in bayou?
if not, you need one...put your picture in it and use
tvnight.org/~bayou/nameofpicture.* in your url...
not the actual path...sorry earlier, I was sippin'
Hennessy while trying to help...bad move, although I feel good...
so, ignore my e-mail I mentioned above...you'll know it when
you see it...
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Response 65 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (01:40) * 2 lines
SEE, Autumn?!?!?! Russian, all russian!!! Ftp, bayou, html - sounds like
a sick R.E.M. song!
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Response 66 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (06:00) * 6 lines
What wer said. Some time you can stick an index.html file in your
public_html directory and have a webpage which would resolve as
http://tvnight.org/~bayou
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Response 67 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (11:18) * 1 lines
ok. now how do i create that directory? (public_html)
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Response 68 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (13:45) * 1 lines
did it for ya...somehwere in your ftp program it should say create directory...
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Response 69 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (21:44) * 1 lines
dunno, it did have change directory. have to look again. thanks, wer....
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Response 70 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (01:45) * 3 lines
So, Wer, how am I going to get images into Art? I have no e-mail, I have no
idea about html, and I've got a homepage programme with ftp, but which
speaks English, not html.
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Response 71 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (11:49) * 1 lines
yoiu have no email? what happened to that?
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Response 72 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (12:40) * 3 lines
I managed to break it somehow. I am able to send mail, but only sometimes,
and I can't receive anything. And webshuttle seems totally uninterested in
fixing it. So I'm buggered, right?
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Response 73 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (12:59) * 7 lines
Riette, go get yourself an e-mail account at
http://www.hotmail.com/
it's free, you can send attachments, you just have
to check your e-mail over the web (and put up with all the ads...)
I'll keep working on your other difficulties and have
some more suggestions soon...
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Response 74 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:56) * 2 lines
Done it, Wer. Strange lay-out, I'll have to get used to it. I'll have a look tomorrow to see if I can work it - right now I can't make anything of it.
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Response 75 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:56) * 1 lines
Oh, my address is now riettewalton@hotmail.com.
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Response 76 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:57) * 1 lines
Thank you.
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Response 77 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (19:29) * 2 lines
I email her at riette@tvnight.org and that forwards to
her hotmail address.
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Response 78 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (01:49) * 3 lines
You do? You did? I haven't received anything yet, Terry, but I shall be looking forward
(im)patiently.
°smile°
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Response 79 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (10:09) * 4 lines
It was just a general comment that your spring email worked, not that I
had sent a specific email to that address. It just easier for me to type
elm riette than remember your native email address.
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Response 80 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (15:05) * 3 lines
Don't worry, Terry, I wasn't being serious - is it that difficult to tell?
Oh, by the way, I've mailed Jeffk now.
And how have you been?
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Response 81 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (15:54) * 5 lines
Great, we had a wonderful time on the lake this weekend and a nice dinner
party at Sam Hills on the lake. We consumed massive quantities of
liquids. I took Kristin and she got a dinner prize for her ankle tatoo.
Fun weekend.
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Response 82 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (01:41) * 2 lines
Sounds good!
How does Kristin's tatoo look? Flower?
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Response 83 of 162: wer (wer) * Mon, Aug 10, 1998 (07:36) * 12 lines
you host types can now customize the horizontal rules in your confs, just
define hr in your rc file (change currently only affects the main(browse)
page in your conference...)
for an example of one way to do it, see the poetry conference...
it's rc line reads
define hr 'img src="url of the image file*"'
*in this case that url would be http://tvnight.org/~spew/art/11.gif
I wasn't sure what all the quotation marks would do to the link in here...
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Response 84 of 162: wer (wer) * Fri, Aug 28, 1998 (16:27) * 11 lines
redid the whole define hr thing...
for a plain horizontal rule,
define hr '
'
now, you can center, etcetera which you couldn't do before...
also, you can define sponsor now if you can find one...
see the food conference...
it's only up for the browse page now, but I will be adding it
to each topic, as well...
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Response 85 of 162: wer (wer) * Fri, Aug 28, 1998 (16:29) * 6 lines
duh, I should have said
define hr '<hr>'
sorry, web types!
(although the post above would be correct for telnetters...)
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Response 86 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Aug 28, 1998 (16:49) * 5 lines
A new resource on our site:
http://tvnight.org/help/sysop.html
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Response 87 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Fri, Sep 18, 1998 (05:32) * 7 lines
File Not Found
The requested URL /help/sysop.html was not found on this server.
help!
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Response 88 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Sep 18, 1998 (08:17) * 2 lines
try this instead, Mike, and navigate from there...
http://tvnight.org/help/
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Response 89 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Tue, Sep 22, 1998 (16:08) * 1 lines
found it
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Response 90 of 162: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Sep 23, 1998 (01:23) * 1 lines
Finally! I thought you'd never be able to reach...
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Response 91 of 162: Karen Rosenberg (KarenR) * Fri, Oct 23, 1998 (10:36) * 4 lines
Is this the place for host questions??? If not, let me know where?
Anyway, how do I delete specific messages without killing the entire topic? Nan used to go in and remove messages if people asked or if the material was deemed offensive. So where do I go and what do I do?
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Response 92 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Oct 23, 1998 (13:04) * 2 lines
Terry will have to give you the specifics on scribbling as I haven't
practied enough to know the command...
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Response 93 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Oct 23, 1998 (13:16) * 4 lines
actually, just went and played and figured it out...
if I was a host in this conference, and wanted to scribble this response,
the url would be
http://tvnight.org/yapp-bin/restricted/scribble/porch/32/93
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Response 94 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Oct 23, 1998 (14:53) * 1 lines
Thanks, I'll go check it out for Drool.
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Response 95 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Oct 23, 1998 (15:09) * 1 lines
Thank you, William. It worked and so eazzzzy!!
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Response 96 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Oct 24, 1998 (12:13) * 1 lines
Yeah!
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Response 97 of 162: Heide (heide) * Sun, Oct 25, 1998 (18:53) * 1 lines
Something I'd love to do or see be done - making those February 7, 2036-dated responses go away - anywhere, I don't care. I think they're just jamming things up and making it hard for new people to load. William's directions for deleting responses work great but in this case, I want the whole thing - response and header - to go away. Any suggestions?
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Response 98 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Oct 26, 1998 (06:20) * 2 lines
Kaylene has a program we can run that cures the 2036 problem.
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Response 99 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Oct 27, 1998 (12:06) * 5 lines
But Heide, you are only referring to the posts that comment about the 2036 problem? There are good messages out there with good dates.
Guys, any progress with setting up a subdirectory or account for me to upload pictures? Is that what is referred to as a public HTML file or is that something else? BTW, William I sent you a password. What is that for?
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Response 100 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Oct 27, 1998 (15:07) * 1 lines
i'm 100!! woohoo!!!!
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Response 101 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Tue, Oct 27, 1998 (16:02) * 1 lines
hehe...well done :-)
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Response 102 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Oct 27, 1998 (23:02) * 4 lines
Still got it Karen...the adduser routine is not functioning,
and I don't know how to do it on access...I'll e-mail Jeff
and hopefully talk to Terry in the next couple of days, so
keep your fingers crossed for the weekend...
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Response 103 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 28, 1998 (07:32) * 3 lines
Adduser works, you just have to find the right path to it. And the new
users need to be manually put in the same group. Group creation is a bit
of a mystery.
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Response 104 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 28, 1998 (07:33) * 3 lines
$ which adduser
/usr/sbin/adduser
$
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Response 105 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Oct 28, 1998 (12:13) * 2 lines
okay, next time I'm at work, I'll see if'n I
can set it all up...
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Response 106 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Thu, Oct 29, 1998 (13:52) * 1 lines
Thanks, Heide and I would appreciate it muchly. Besides, our den mom Evelyn has returned and has said she's gonna holler out the window at you, Terry!! ;-D
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Response 107 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Oct 29, 1998 (15:08) * 5 lines
It's done. User
KarenR
with the password you sent me
now has telnet access.
I even went ahead and set up your public_html directory...
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Response 108 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Oct 30, 1998 (10:43) * 3 lines
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
But what do I do with a public_html directory?
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Response 109 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Oct 30, 1998 (10:57) * 1 lines
whatever you want...
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Response 110 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 30, 1998 (16:02) * 2 lines
All kinds of fun things. Imagine the possibilities!
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Response 111 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Oct 30, 1998 (16:04) * 1 lines
and then do 'em...
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Response 112 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Oct 30, 1998 (16:18) * 1 lines
Argh!! Gimme a hint. What does it control?
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Response 113 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Oct 30, 1998 (17:31) * 2 lines
control? As in world domination?
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Response 114 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Oct 31, 1998 (02:15) * 4 lines
Hey, now, that's my speciality...
If you know how to ftp, you can put your pictures for drool in there,
or make your own home pages, etcetera...
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Response 115 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Sat, Oct 31, 1998 (10:34) * 3 lines
FTP, is that like the limbo?
No, I know what it is, but will have to figure out how to use it. Have one or two Dummy books checked out from the lib and will study the relevant sections.
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Response 116 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Oct 31, 1998 (10:55) * 3 lines
Get a copy of WS-FTP from http://www.stroud.com and set it up for you
public_html directory.
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Response 117 of 162: Heide (heide) * Sat, Oct 31, 1998 (13:00) * 3 lines
Thanks for setting Karen up for world domination. I'm sure she'll use her new powers for the betterment of mankind.
In the meantime, still having trouble with the Feb 7, 2036 messages. I know they don't show up for everyone but they do for some on Topics 80, 97 and 98. How can I get in touch with Kaylene to send them out into limboland with the other messages?
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Response 118 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Oct 31, 1998 (14:29) * 3 lines
Go to http://www.armidalesoftware.com and email her at
kaylene@armidalesoftware.com
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Response 119 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Oct 31, 1998 (21:17) * 1 lines
do you really want to kill messages just for the fact that they've got the wrong date on???
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Response 120 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Nov 1, 1998 (18:04) * 3 lines
It's easy enough to run her program and it will automatically change these
dates.
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Response 121 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Nov 2, 1998 (11:16) * 7 lines
Well, I think I have blown up Drool and should resign from being host.
OK, here's the problem. I attempted to post something to #68 and then it said the post was too large (an image link). I think it overwrote most of the topic and I attempted to get rid of it. Right now Topic 68 has a big gap from 1997 to 1998 and only 12 comments. I think this also affected Topic 67 which shrunk in size. Also, the Drool Conference Menu only shows up to Topic 40 something.
Can anything be done to fix this? Like restore it from yesterday? Topics 67 and 68 had no activity lately, so if a previous version has been stored...
*am sitting here, tears streaming down my cheeks, truly penitent*
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Response 122 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Nov 2, 1998 (11:30) * 1 lines
*hugs*
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Response 123 of 162: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Nov 2, 1998 (16:04) * 2 lines
*grin*
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Response 124 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Nov 2, 1998 (16:08) * 3 lines
OK, so I'm a bit melodramatic....
Grinning????? Are we jealous of Drool? ;-D
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Response 125 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Nov 2, 1998 (16:29) * 1 lines
BTW, need the FTP address to upload to? Help!!
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Response 126 of 162: Heide (heide) * Mon, Nov 2, 1998 (21:45) * 3 lines
Help Karen!! Come on, guys, we're a'beggin'. Topic 68 was just heating up again. And you know we can generate some heat.
By the by, the February 7, 2036 problem has abated. Thanks to who(m)ever ran the program. Kaylene wrote me but I know I didn't do it.
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Response 127 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Nov 4, 1998 (00:04) * 17 lines
ftp to
tvnight.org
and your program should take you to
tvnight.org/usr/home/KarenR
where you'll want to find your public_html directory
to put stuff in you want to post on the web...
your web address is
http://tvnight.org/~KarenR
so just add
/nameoffile
to anything you're gonna link to in there...
everything you want to link to needs to be in your public_html directory...
I'll see what I can see about the rest,
but I got a feeling all of that is outside o'
my realm of good guessing...
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Response 128 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Thu, Nov 5, 1998 (11:15) * 7 lines
Thanks William for the instructions. Was attempting to use Voyager and no one could figure it out!!
Terry,
About the Drool problem: it extends to topics 53, 67 and 68 and maybe more??? And now we find out that if new messages are posted they don't show up as New.
Can any of this be fixed (restoration of old messages and showing up as new) or should we just start new topics?
We await w/baited breath...
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Response 129 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Nov 5, 1998 (14:09) * 4 lines
It may be the result of running Kaylene's program. Email her with the
specifics at kaylene@armidalesoftware.com and ask her if this could be the
cause. We'll start doing more regular backups soon.
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Response 130 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Nov 6, 1998 (11:58) * 6 lines
Are there any backup tapes? If so, from what date?
The problem stemmed from me trying to link to an image at another site. It turned out to be huge (see message at top of Topic 68, which I think overlaid a lot of space, not only in 68, but in 67 and 53. Maybe others. Haven't checked.
In the meantime, could Topics 53 and 68 be "Unretired" oh great wise, cdadmin?? Perhaps that would get them to show up as "new" when messages are posted.
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Response 131 of 162: Heide (heide) * Fri, Nov 6, 1998 (11:58) * 5 lines
Oh dear, not much activity here so I hope someone is reading. Things have been running so smoothly the past couple of weeks and then the dreaded February 7, 2036 dated topics started reappearing. I know they're in topics 80, 97, 112 and from the list of recent posters, I see the date is infecting other topics as well.
Can we stop this dreaded menace? And once it's stopped, can the bad dates be changed again? I'm quite sure running Kaylene's program was not the cause of posts from topics 53 and 68 disappearing.
Anxiously awaiting...Thank you.
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Response 132 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Nov 21, 1998 (21:56) * 4 lines
I just ran the fixit program Kaylene wrote for us, I first noticed this when
Tim's posts were reading the year 2036, and I knew he hasn't been a "Back
to the Future Machine", or not that I know about.
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Response 133 of 162: Heide (heide) * Sun, Nov 22, 1998 (13:39) * 1 lines
Darling Terry, thank you, thank you. Everything is running perfectly agian. What can I do to thank you? You never cash my checks.
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Response 134 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Sun, Nov 22, 1998 (16:12) * 1 lines
Is everything running perfectly? There were lots of posts at various Drool topics today, but none showed up as "new." Terry could you take a gander and see if some bizarro command has taken over.
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Response 135 of 162: Heide (heide) * Tue, Nov 24, 1998 (19:48) * 3 lines
Another alert, Terry. Sorry to be such a nag. I noticed Feb 7, 2036 popped up again today but it was quickly fixed. Thanks, but now I see the topics that were affected (the ones I checked were 97, 98 and 113) are not accepting new posts. Unless I've overstayed my welcome and it just won't accept me anymore. As you know, 97 especially has become very active.
As far as "new" messages, I find it annoying so I forget to check if it's working.
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Response 136 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (05:23) * 6 lines
Send an email about this to Kaylene@armidalesoftware.com and let her know.
I did run the fix_bad_dates program she wrote last night as soon as I
noticed the problem.
If anyone sees 2036 dates, please email me right away terry@spring.net.
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Response 137 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (12:59) * 3 lines
Kaylene's fix causes the "wrong" dates to be the date of the previous post,
thereby causing some "new" responses to not show up as new until that topic
has been re-read...
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Response 138 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (13:01) * 3 lines
or responded to after the fix, in which case the corrected date responses
do not show either, just the posts since the fix was run...you do sometimes
have to back up a bit to catch what is currently going on...
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Response 139 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (13:06) * 54 lines
Here's the script:
$ cd /usr/bbs/bin
$ ls
bbs cfdelete date_sub.perl sum_update2
bbs.old cflistdelete fix_bad_dates webuser
cfcreate cppart sum_update webuser.c
$ cat fix_bad_dates
#!/bin/csh
# This script doesn't take any arguments
# It determines which items have "bad dates"
# in them (see date_sub.perl for definition of bad date)
# and calls date_sub.perl to update the files to put in a
# valid date. It then deletes and recreates the summary
# of conferences that have been changed, and logs a
# message to the error log that things have been changed
# find the files to update
set F = "/usr/bbs/baddate.files"
set C = "/usr/bbs/baddate.confs"
if ( -f $F ) then
mv $F ${F}.bak
endif
if ( -f $C ) then
mv $C ${C}.bak
endif
echo "Finding files to update ...."
find /usr/bbs/confs -name '_*' -exec grep -l "^,D7C5" {} >> $F \;
# update the files
echo "Updating corrupted conference files"
/usr/bbs/bin/date_sub.perl `cat $F`
# update the conference-specific sum file if any files were changed
# The find command returns info like /usr/bbs/confs/yapp/_1
# so the 5th field is the conference name
echo "Creating list of conferences with updated files"
cat $F | cut -d '/' -f 5 | sort | uniq > $C
echo "Updating conference summary files"
foreach conf ( `cat $C` )
echo "$conf"
/usr/local/bin/bbs -u -x sum_update2 -j $conf
set date=`date`
echo "$date Updated $conf to remove bad dates" >> /usr/bbs/errorlog
end
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Response 140 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (14:01) * 1 lines
Terry, have tried posting to Topic 97 and doesn't accept anything.
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Response 141 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (16:03) * 1 lines
Is acting like a topic that's been *retired*, but I checked and it that isn't the case. Perhaps if you do an *unretire* they may come back from the dead. Wouldn't hurt to try...or would it. Shoot and I had something funny to post at 97 (well, at least I thought so)
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Response 142 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Nov 25, 1998 (18:54) * 4 lines
Topic 97 is working. I posted there earlier. When I ran the fix program
I was logged in as root so it changed the ownership of this topic to root
instead of cfadm. So I chowned it back to cfadm earlier today. Next time
this happens email me to do this again.
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Response 143 of 162: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (10:24) * 1 lines
I didn't understand a word you said ;-) but thanks, all that matters is that it works again. Guess this is why we have Thanksgiving!!
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Response 144 of 162: Heide (heide) * Fri, Nov 27, 1998 (10:24) * 1 lines
Oh heavens, Terry. February 7, 2036 is back. I'll e-mail you too but remember, change the ownership from root back to cfadmin. Thank you, dear.
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Response 145 of 162: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Dec 1, 1998 (00:27) * 4 lines
I logged in as cfadm and ran /usr/bbs/bin/fix_bad_dates again. Thanks for
emailing me, I got the message on my cellphone as I was cruising down
Lamar Boulevard earlier this evening.
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Response 146 of 162: Heide (heide) * Tue, Dec 1, 1998 (00:27) * 1 lines
Well if you're cruising down Lamar Boulevard again, perhaps you'll get the message that the date is back again. It's been mighty persistent. Are you hinting that we can fix it with this program too? Duh!
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Response 147 of 162: Tim Guenther (TIM) * Tue, Dec 1, 1998 (00:27) * 1 lines
?
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Response 148 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Dec 7, 1998 (07:58) * 1 lines
? is right, tim!
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Response 149 of 162: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Dec 7, 1998 (15:33) * 2 lines
Hmmm...
nope. I don't get it either.
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Response 150 of 162: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Wed, Dec 9, 1998 (17:10) * 7 lines
The Art of Hosting Good Conversations Online
By Howard Rheingold
http://www.rheingold.com/texts/artonlinehost.html
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Response 151 of 162: wer (wer) * Sun, Jan 17, 1999 (23:42) * 1 lines
you know, I should probably get around to reading that...
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Response 152 of 162: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Mon, Apr 12, 1999 (10:59) * 3 lines
So, when do you guys finally shiop me that host help-pack, hmh?
Boy, that'll be cool! I can't wait for it, especially the car decals, the security-ID-style membership card and the tee shirt and mousepad to match! I bet your stuff is way cooler than the stuff from the Batman- or the Backstreet Boys-Fanclub!
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Response 153 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Apr 12, 1999 (23:05) * 1 lines
if we had stuff, I would certainly hope so...
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Response 154 of 162: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, Apr 13, 1999 (11:01) * 3 lines
So, what's this topic all about? It says "Host Help-Pack" at the top, right? What's the problem, mate?
TERRY! Tell them to send me those boxer shorts and beach towels with the Spring logo! NOW! I am a host! I MUST be pleased! And obeyed! (If that stuff is out, I'd be happy to receive a nice Leatherman tool!)
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Response 155 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Sat, Apr 17, 1999 (10:50) * 1 lines
*lol*
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Response 156 of 162: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sun, Apr 18, 1999 (18:03) * 1 lines
Wolf, the boys let me down. What does a host do (besides mouthing off, etc.) and how? Is there a document?
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Response 157 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Apr 18, 1999 (20:12) * 1 lines
http://tvnight.org/help/host.html
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Response 158 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Apr 26, 1999 (20:30) * 1 lines
basically, alex, you run around blabbing to everyone until you get the help you need. (right, wer?) well, it worked for me. the yapp help thing didn't help me one bit and i still don't know what i'm doing-wer uploads any graphics backgrounds and stuff i come up with. (and i appreciate it so much, wer)
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Response 159 of 162: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Apr 26, 1999 (20:32) * 1 lines
hey, i went to that website wer posted. cool, where was that when i signed on?
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Response 160 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 27, 1999 (01:05) * 1 lines
at armidale software...Terry has since mirrored it on here...
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Response 161 of 162: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Tue, Apr 27, 1999 (07:09) * 1 lines
I still wished there were some manual and guidelines. Wer's link does tell me what to do, etc. but not how!
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Response 162 of 162: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 27, 1999 (20:43) * 1 lines
practice, practice, practice
porch conference 
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