Topic 47 of 71: cricket
Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:53) |
Paul Terry Walhus (terry)
Mark and Marcia inspired this topic. Cricket is a mystgery to me. Maybe
we can learn about it in this topic and find out why it holds such
fascination in much of the world.
Go easy on us, start with the basics ok?
247 responses total.
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Response 1 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:58) * 1 lines
Mark, we're ready to learn!
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Response 2 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (15:02) * 2 lines
Go wasy. Make it simple at first please.
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Response 3 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (18:21) * 3 lines
Mark is so good at this stuff, but as I write, it is midnight for him. Thanks for creating this topic, Terry. I know there is interest out there for this. I shall send the URL to a Droolian lady who used to play cricket and whose whole family has done so. Perhaps Mark will even tell you of the Freudian slip I did in a letter to him as we discussed the sport...it was so funny!!! And, when it occurred to me that I had made the error, I was all giggles...you will see. Rught now, however, it is 2330 GMT
nd I hope he is abed and sleeping soundly!
I shall wish him a Hawaiian Good Morning Aloha Kakahiaka!
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Response 4 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (18:58) * 1 lines
First of all, Cricket has to be the most "couth" game in the universe. They break for tea, then for dinner. Also for drinks, but not as long as the previous two...How civilized!
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Response 5 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:24) * 1 lines
You should have been British, Marcia.
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Response 6 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:35) * 1 lines
I was until my grandfather came to America for his health (tuberculosis, supposedly) and married a local lady who was to become my grandmother...When I step onto England's green and pleasant land...I am HOME in the most visceral way. My genetic code relaxes, my bloodline is happy and my innards get all excited by the food. Yes, they have excellent food in Britain, and I will take on all comers who disagree!
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Response 7 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:45) * 1 lines
You are one of the few (Americans) I've heard defend British food. But since you consider yourself a Brit, that would only make sense. I always hear (and in all fairness, only know from hearsay) bland and tasteless (except for kidney pie, which seems to revolt some). I do like Shepherd's Pie, but I don't know if the American version is spicier. I do know that it at least has salt and pepper, which I find necessary in most food.
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Response 8 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:52) * 1 lines
The British (I consider myself American, btw!)have some of the best meat in the world...they do not need to hide it under obscuring sauces and spices. To me, meat is best when it tastes like what it is..just a little salt and pepper...that is really all it needs. Soups and stews are wonderful with Worcestershire Sauce...! There are things British I have not attempted - like jellied eels..! Yeesh!
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Response 9 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:55) * 1 lines
The only place on earth I can stomach stewed prunes and Brussles Sprouts is Britain. They turn them into things poetic. Clotted cream is to die for...You cannot imagine it because there is no way to describe it in words. Like making love, it must be experienced to understand how incredible it is.
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Response 10 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:55) * 1 lines
I like a good cut of meat with just salt and pepper (maybe a little onion and garlic doesn't hurt, as well). Worcestershire sauce is excellent--and spicy. Fair enough on the jellied eels...have you tried kidney pie?
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Response 11 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:57) * 1 lines
Somehow clotted cream would have to taste different than it sounds to be "to die for." It sounds like something "to die of."
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Response 12 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:58) * 1 lines
Cornish pasties (not pronounced the way the strippers do) and meat pies of all sorts - including Shepherd's pies are excellent and just the right thing to set you off for the fells to go climbing or moors for hiking. Lovely stuff, and not one indigestible one in the batch!
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Response 13 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:00) * 1 lines
re: clotted cream...you did note with what I compared it?! I do not minimize my favorable impression of the stuff, and this is from someone who throws away whipped cream as too greasy and tasteless...!
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Response 14 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:02) * 1 lines
yes...the name just sounds so unappetizing and unimaginative
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Response 15 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:04) * 1 lines
BTW, I love most melted cheeses, but there is not enough melted cheese in the universe to get me to eat a Brussels sprout...ugh....I went days without eating as a child because my mom insisted I eat those she gave me before I could have anything else.
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Response 16 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:05) * 2 lines
My mom. too. Bitter nasty little green cabbages, was how my Father called them.
They are buttery and mild in the tight little island...*sigh*
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Response 17 of 247: anne hale (ommin) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (21:53) * 0 lines
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Response 18 of 247: anne hale (ommin) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (21:54) * 1 lines
Brussel Sprouts - love em, very popular here in Oz, with roast beef or lamb, roast potatoes, carrots and mince sauce for the lamb and horseradish for the beef, with yorkshire pudding!!!!!!!!!
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Response 19 of 247: anne hale (ommin) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (21:55) * 1 lines
Brussel Sprouts - love em, very popular here in Oz, with roast beef or lamb, roast potatoes, carrots and mint sauce for the lamb and horseradish for the beef, with yorkshire pudding!!!!!!!!!
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Response 20 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (22:02) * 1 lines
Now, Anne, my lady cricketer and explainer...please give a brief resume' of the stuff of cricket...we were talking food until you and Mark arrived. He is in England, so we will not get his take on this for about 5 more hours...Please tell us about things cricket. Terry wants to know and he is totally in the dark about it. I wish to know more...and John is curious, too. We await your comments.
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Response 21 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (00:10) * 1 lines
Please explain "clotted cream" to me, also. All I have is a sexual metaphor. And Marcia, you seem to be avoiding the kidney pie question.
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Response 22 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:11) * 3 lines
never had kidney pie in Britain. In America had one which tasted like the kidneys were still functioning as God intended. It makes me think of that every time I see one...
Clotted cream comes from very special cows whose milk is so rich that this thick cream forms on top when left to sit and settle. It is almost like butter, but nothing like as greasy. Frank liked it enough that he had it on chocolate ice cream which I considered highly decadent. It is wonderful on fruit tarts and fresh fruit and on gym socks and on your tongue and anything else you can get it on. I think your sexual connotation might be highly likely as an enjoyable idea.
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Response 23 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:13) * 1 lines
Certainly sounds like it would beat Crisco...
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Response 24 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:27) * 1 lines
...but not for making pie crusts...
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Response 25 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:37) * 1 lines
To make that pie crust perfect and glossy, brush beaten egg white over it before baking.
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Response 26 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (03:57) * 19 lines
A cricket topic with 25 posts already! What's going on? First of all, British food is pitiful and defenceless - and the sad thing is, we all like it. Oddities like clotted cream, steak & kidney pie (or pudding), spotted dick, toad in the hole only appeal to some even here, but boy when they appeal...
Back to cricket.
The essence of the sport is to score more runs than the other team. Runs are achieved by hitting the ball away when it has been bowled and running to the other end of the "wicket" (22 yards away) while your batting partner runs the other way. However, you are out (i.e. your own innings is ended) if you are:
1 Bowled - the stumps behind you are hit by the ball
2 Caught - a fielder catches the ball before it bounces
3 Run out - the fielder hits the stumps with the ball before you have reached them in running
4 Leg before wicket - the umpire judges that your body saved you from being bowled
There are six other increasingly strange means of getting out.
To ensure that you do not get either caught or bowled, you spend a lot of time blocking or leaving deliveries, and the most traditionally elegant scoring shots are all along the ground (therefore cannot be caught). The field has boundaries which count as four runs (or six if you clear them).
Scores can get very high (at my level, 250 runs for the team - the highest score ever recorded was over 900, I think). Each team bats through its whole line-up (10 men get out, because the last one left in cannot go on without a partner) once - except in "first-class" cricket, which has two innings.
If the end of the game arrives and the side batting second has not reached the target score, but is not all out, the game is a draw. A form of cricket which ensures a winner has become enormously popular (limited-overs, or "one-day" cricket") and forms the basis for the World Cup, which happens every four years, and was won by Australia this year.
The ball is heavier than a baseball with a seam running round it, which helps bowlers to swing or spin it - because bowling requires a straight elbow, the only real method is to run in and whirl the arm over. However, as the ball can bounce on the way to the batsman, spinning it is an alternative to sheer speed.
The bat is, I think, 3.5 feet long (about as long as the 3 stumps), and as John says, its back is triangular looking.
That's cricket - I expect I missed something out that is crucial, but hey
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Response 27 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (10:07) * 7 lines
Now, I can take my first baby step toward understanding cricket, that's
good. This topic is like cricket, a long food break, then back to the
game, long, liesurely, like a Sunday afteroon cricket game. I'll have to
watch one sometime, there must be cricket in Austin somewhere, I've heard
that there is down in Zilker Park.
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Response 28 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:08) * 2 lines
OK, Terry, if you see this, you're in the right place. This is meant to show a wicket, i.e. a set of stumps with bails on top, the object that the batsman defends from the bowler. Of course being cricket, a word can mean several different things, so a wicket is also the term for an out, or a dismissal - "He took my wicket with a great ball", "That bowler's got five wickets today". And a wicket can be used to refer to the 22-yd strip o
grass between the stumps, e.g. a green wicket or a sticky (i.e. wet) wicket.
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Response 29 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:12) * 5 lines
Question of the day.
What's a googly?
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Response 30 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:37) * 1 lines
A leg-spinner normally bowls a delivery that, when it hits the ground, turns away from a right-handed batsman. However, by twisting his wrist round further, he may be able to bowl a ball that looks similar, but turns the other way (in towards a right-hander). This is a googly. Where the name came from nobody knows.
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Response 31 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:59) * 1 lines
In the immortal words of Frank Zappa, "Great googly moogly!" Now I have a certain rudimentary understanding of what the Samoans I've been watching were doing. Thank you. The baseball equivalent of a googly is a screwball. Any sport which breaks for tea and bickies--and especially for dinner--is ok with me.
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Response 32 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:09) * 2 lines
I believe the screwball, like leg-spin, is a bit of a dying art? In fact though leg-spin is reviving, you don't see many googlies nowadays. The top leg-spinners like Shane Warne bowl a ball called a "flipper" instead!
Would you believe that at the end of the season one of the factors we've been known to discuss when deciding our fixture list for next year is which teams served the best (or worst) teas?
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Response 33 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:19) * 1 lines
The screwball is a dying art. It puts too much strain on pitchers' elbows and ultimately shortens their careers (case in point, Fernando Valenzuela). What does the flipper do? I know a few Brits and I am impressed what a serious business tea is to them. No bags, loose leaf, water boiled just so...
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Response 34 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:20) * 3 lines
Did I not tell you this was an esoteric sport of gentlemen interested in the purity of all phases of the game?! How bad can a tea get?! Just hot, flavored water and nothing solid to munch on, or was it tepid? How gauche! I'd imagine the best ones were the sort out of which you could make a good meal. Do let us know about this part of cricket they do not discuss on short wave radio!
John, where are you watching cricket locally?!
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Response 35 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (10:35) * 5 lines
Sorry, tea is not just the drink (yuck!) but also the whole "meal" that goes with it - so a bad cricket tea will consist of an egg sandwich, a tuna & cucumber sandwich, a sausage roll, a piece of sponge cake, and a plastic cup of tea. The minuscule size of all these items I just cannot describe to Americans.
I'm not sure that I know what a flipper actually is - I get the impression that despite a loopy trajectory, it skids fast at the batsman on hitting the pitch (this used to be called a plain old top-spinner, I'm sure)
Was that guy Joe Niekro (or was it Phil) a screwballer? Didn't he get caught throwing sandpaper away when he was frisked?
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Response 36 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (11:14) * 11 lines
He was actually a knuckleballer, and yes, he was hiding a piece of emory board.
Scuffing the ball causes it to defy the laws of physics, although a good knuckleball (a misnomer) can do that without scuffing. It is held quite tightly with all fingernails (you must have long, strong nails) and then pushed in a fashion towards the batter.
It is a slow pitch without any rotation on the ball, but seems to move in any unpredictable direction.
A good knuckleball makes hitters (and catchers as well) look stupid. A bad knuckleball (which has even one rotation) is just a batting practice lollipop and can become a home run pitch.
Joe Niekro's older brother. Phil is a baseball Hall-of-Famer. Joe Torre said of Phil Niekro: When I was his teammate, I couldn't catch him. When I was his opponent, I couldn't hit him. Later, I found out I couldn't manage him, either.
Baseball comedian Bob Uecker, who was once a Braves catcher said, "I figured out how to catch Phil Niekro. You just wait until the ball stops rolling, pick it up and throw it back to him. If there are people on base, you just shut your eyes and hope the ball hits you and stays in front.
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Response 37 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (20:46) * 8 lines
From AnneH in Australia:
My greatest cricketing memory was sitting on the grass at the Oval Cricket
Ground in 1958 with my brother. Fred Trueman was bowling wonderfully, he
was just off 3 for 300 wickets. He bowled and got two wickets - on a hat
trick for his three hundred and got it. I have never seen such excitement.
Wonderful day, wonderful weather, and it was just a week before I left
home to take up nursing so I have strong memories of it all.
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Response 38 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (20:52) * 1 lines
Is AnneH Anne Heche? I don't see any cricket locally...I used to see it at Ke'ehi Lagoon and Kapi'olani Park in Honolulu and when I visit, if I'm driving by and see them playing, I'll still stop and watch if I have time. I don't know the game, but I do know atheticism when I see it.
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Response 39 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (20:52) * 1 lines
Even if I can't spell it *SMILE*
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Response 40 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (21:25) * 2 lines
AnneH is Anne Hale who has played cricket her whole life - born and bred in England and currently living in Australia. She is a very good friend of mine
*smile* ( I have misspelled it on occasion, too)
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Response 41 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (21:26) * 1 lines
see post 19 this topic to see if she is real...she has problems posting and I leap to her aid when possible.
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Response 42 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (21:46) * 1 lines
Re: "Bad tea" (American style). Kool-Aid (any flavor), vanilla wafers, and bologna on chicken in a biscuit crackers.
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Response 43 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (22:44) * 2 lines
Ooop, time for a spot of tea again.
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Response 44 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (23:13) * 1 lines
I have spots where I stained my shirt with spilled Lipton...
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Response 45 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (09:50) * 18 lines
Googlie is a screwball, that figures. Hmm, should I search google for
googlie?
Well, I found this crickettalk:
Dave 'DT' Taylor, the 'genial guru of googlie', 'sensual sorcerer of
spin', 'titilating temptress of turn', 'ovulating overlord off
break'(eh?). 'DT' is to spin bowling what Grocer is to financial planning
(work that one out!). Without doubt one of Gowers entertainers. Comical
genius in any role. The Chaplin of the long walk, 'DT' provides the
lighter side of the game. Regularly inspiring chants from the pavilion of
"Coco! Coco! Coco!". Dave was successfully introduced to stud earlier this
year, resulting in the recent addition of Cameron to the Gower parish. We
can only hope that not everything is passed on genetically.
It was on http://home.ust.hk/~ttslack/Gower/profiles/CCCprofiles.html
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Response 46 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (09:52) * 5 lines
And there's a lot more information on "cricket clubs" here
http://home.ust.hk/~ttslack/Gower/
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Response 47 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (11:25) * 1 lines
I'll have to make "google" me default search engine.
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Response 48 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (00:06) * 7 lines
whilst we await Mark's return, Karen posted this in drool and I am borrowing it
For those losing sleep because they don't understand cricket, I found this website that looks incredibly comprehensive.
There is actually a diagram of a googley, among other strange things. Can't wait to study this one.
http://www.ozsports.com.au/cricket/cricket_exp.html
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Response 49 of 247: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (00:35) * 3 lines
Here you go, pictures:
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Response 50 of 247: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (00:38) * 1 lines
Mark, the equivalent in America is discussing which ballparks serve the *best* hotdogs, as if there were such things! Or maybe nachos!
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Response 51 of 247: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (00:43) * 5 lines
As regards British food, there are far better restaurants in London now than there were a number of years ago when I first visited.
Brussel sprouts are wonderful. Most people overcook them and that's why they have such a bad reputation - the smell.
Clotted cream is used like butter, spread on scones, etc. It's not at all like whipped cream. Can buy it here, and actually have some little gift packages with strawberry preserves in the fridge right now.
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Response 52 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (00:43) * 1 lines
That is Fantastic, Karen!!! Mahalo Nui Loa. I am about to import AnneHale's descritpions from 119 if she does not get home from the cricket match (where she actually is this weekend)and tell us all about it...We need all the help we can get. I understand just enough to follow the game on Short wave but not enough to tell anyone else much about it.
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Response 53 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (00:47) * 2 lines
Oooh Clotted Cream....*sigh* How incredibly delightful. You bet the Brussels Sprouts are splendid and buttery over there - fresh and cooked only till tender.
We have no idea here how to cook them!
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Response 54 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (02:03) * 2 lines
I can't even follow those diagrams myself, and I know what the actual deliveries look like! Good luck to anyone trying to learn from them.
True that London restaurants are improving - serving French & Italian food, Chinese, Indian, Tex-Mex, whatever. Haven't seen sprouts and clotted cream in a top restaurant in a while.
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Response 55 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (02:27) * 1 lines
At least it's comforting to know my lack of understanding of the diagrams is not just a byproduct of my own terminal ignorance.
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Response 56 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (16:12) * 1 lines
Better still, Mark's comments were reassuring to this cricket beginner...I thought I understood the rudimants of the game, but I could get nothing from the diagrams. Thanks...now, we need more information or I will have to paste the stuff from Drool - and I'd rather not. (Too bad about the dearth of sprouts and clotted cream in fine dining...!)
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Response 57 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (21:01) * 1 lines
If I ever see another Brussels sprout in this life, it will be too soon. Clotted cream I will reserve judgment on for if the day comes I actually have some.
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Response 58 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (21:05) * 1 lines
Maybe it is one of those thing, like Kona Coffee, that is best consumed in the land of its perfection.
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Response 59 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (21:08) * 1 lines
If you get real Kona coffee, fresh, it's great anywhere.
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Response 60 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (21:12) * 2 lines
...true...but our AD makes it too strong and it is bitter and nasty like that.
Of course, you are used to Navy coffee, and if it is anything like Marine coffee, it will eat the bowl out of your spoon! (my email is not working. Welcome home!)
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Response 61 of 247: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Oct 4, 1999 (21:34) * 1 lines
When did clotted cream and brussels sprouts become the hallmark of fine dining? Clotted cream gets served at tea, with the jam and biscuits. Had it in a little teashop somewhere in the Cotswolds.
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Response 62 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (02:40) * 2 lines
At the risk of getting verbally swatted by you again, Karen, I don't think anyone said it was. Marcia mentioned they were two of her favorite memories of British food. She's the only non-Brit I ever met who claimed to like English food (I've been to Ireland, but not to England). Here in Hawaii, a surprising number of top students go to England for a year or two to study, and they almost all come back thinner and complain about the food. Marcia, I never liked--nor did I get used to--Navy coffee. I've
been spoiled by drinking good coffee since my late teens. And you're right, BT makes lousy coffee, but I don't think he drinks the stuff.
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Response 63 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (02:44) * 4 lines
Clotted cream is delightful in its place (which is, ideally, a Cotswolds teahop), but like all English food is not haute cuisine. I was just saying that London restaurants may have improved, but English food has stayed the same.
I didn't want to comment on AnneH's Trueman memory until I'd researched it, but that afternoon was in 1964, Anne, not 1958 - you may be six years younger than you thought? Apparently all through the lunch interval the Oval was agog with the excitement of whether Trueman would achieve his 300th Test wicket with a hat-trick - though the book says that he actually became the first bowler to get there about 20 minutes later. When asked if he thought anyone would ever reach 300 again, he said "If they do, th
y'll be bloody tired!"
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Response 64 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (10:28) * 1 lines
Mark, that's funny even though I don't understand it. A hat trick in hockey is three goals in a game, a hat trick in baseball is striking out (as a batter) three times in a game. What is a hat trick in cricket?
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Response 65 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (10:38) * 2 lines
Oops, John, should have explained a hat-trick in cricket is three wickets taken in successive balls (even with a lunch interval in between). That concept could never really translate to soccer and hockey etc.
I guess there's no need for a term for striking out a batter with the first three pitches he receives (except maybe "useless")?
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Response 66 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (10:44) * 1 lines
I call it "whiff-o-rama"..that of course is not official baseball lingo. But the hat trick makes sense to me...it is always something thrice. In baseball, striking out four times in a game is the "big sombrero," five times is the "golden sombrero." The game certainly has a Spanish flavor now with the large influx of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Cubans into the major leagues.
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Response 67 of 247: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (11:33) * 7 lines
At the risk of getting verbally swatted by you again
There are worse things in life...
was in 1964, Anne, not 1958 - you may be six years younger than you thought?
LOL!! Oh, that it worked that way.
Did I not notice something in those cricket pages about something called a "Golden Duck"?
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Response 68 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (11:43) * 4 lines
A golden duck is a batsman's dismissal from his first ball received. In a sport in which you hope to bat for over an hour this can be very frustrating. Still there will always be a team-mate on hand to shout quack-quack or ask you why you played such a careless shot first ball.
I have heard losing your wicket to the first ball of the innings described as a platinum duck, but my team ran out of metals when someone was bowled out by the first ball of a new season.
(Etymology: a duck is a score of nought, probably from comparison of the figure with a duck's egg; so a more special version (out first ball) is a golden duck)
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Response 69 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (11:52) * 8 lines
Other unusual cricket terminology:
Maidens: an over (six balls) bowled without conceding any runs is described as a maiden - cue endless jokes about "bowling a maiden over" - a bona fide cricket term or very stiltedromantic metaphor. Note: Marcia remembered this term as "virgins", which is funnier.
Silly point: The fielding positions of point, mid-off and mid-on can all move closer to the batsman, to the point at which they are described as "silly", principally because of the risk of injury. Many other fielding positions have daft names, e.g. extra cover, short square leg, third man, fine leg, fly slip.
Chinaman: normal delivery of a left-arm wrist-spinner. Beginning to fall foul of the politically correct lobby, but enough of a rarity that it doesn't matter yet.
More on request
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 70 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (12:02) * 4 lines
At the risk of getting verbally swatted by you again
"There are worse things in life..."
If you're not kidding, you're appallingly arrogant.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 71 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (12:17) * 3 lines
Wow! I don't get this .. what was appallingly arrogant? Karen misinterpreted a throwaway of Marcia's, was corrected, smiled back : end of story. No?
Actually, on second thoughts, scrub that. When this girl gets at it with the rapier, there's usually a body count. Swat away!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 72 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (12:21) * 2 lines
To put things in their proper perspective, there are worse things in life than root canals (such as subdural hematoma, massive coronaries which leave you still breathing, and metastasized malignant tumors). That doesn't mean I am praying for a massive coronary any more than I am a cheap shot such as (Mr. Mariah Carey...or was that Jennifer Lopez?) It was not being corrected on a point where I was clearly wrong that I object to. I actually appreciate it if it's done with some sense of tact rather than d
gnity-stripping disdain. If it was my assessment of Costner as a mediocre actor which got your dander up originally, it is just an opinion and I have a right to it. I also conceded that he has been in some excellent films. I am impressed with your brains. I understand that you have been on Jeopardy...even passing the test to get on is quite the accomplishment. But that doesn't mean that being kicked by you is a privilege.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 73 of 247: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (13:22) * 1 lines
I'm outta here.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 74 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (14:04) * 1 lines
Ok, children, back to cricket and the terminology. More Please, Mark? I love the term "worm Burner" for a keenly hit grounder. For the real feel of cricket and its history try http://www.lords.org/ecb/coaching/index.html from the home of cricket, Lords Cricket Ground. Will get more, but I am recovering from a Root canal and my brain is on the 'numb' setting.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 75 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (21:23) * 3 lines
Mark...
This is something that started somewhere else and has been festering in me for quite some time. Sorry. But she won't see me in "Drool" again, either. That was MY mistake.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 76 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (21:59) * 11 lines
I am reposting AnneH's comments on Cricket from Drool 119 since most of you do not go there:
I used to play cricket years ago. My favourite game, I spend hours in the summer watching it. The pitch is between two
wickets - 22yds long. The aim to bowl out the batsmen any way possible by hitting the wicket, by lege before wicket or by a
catch. The batsman's aim is to score as many runs as possible. A ball running to the boundary is a four, a ball going high
over the boundary is a six. All the other runs are scored by two batsman running between the wickets and score as many
runs as possible wi
hout being run out by the ball being thrown at the wicket. In a test match they play for five days, two innings each. The other
is a one day match with 50 overs bowled - they hopefully the bowlers that is try to bowl maidens!!!!! I will carry on if any one
is interested. Average scores can go from 400 to 100 or until all batsmen are out or at least 10 of them. Anne H
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 77 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Oct 5, 1999 (22:20) * 7 lines
Mark posted this on Drool 72
The reason more balls aren't caught in cricket is that the batsman doesn't have to run when he hits it. So they
normally hit it downwards. This way they can stay in for ages while amassing big scores (a 5-day "test match" is thirty hours
of play (for a maximum forty outs!). Incidentally in Flashman's Lady the umpire doesn't reverse his call, an appeal is a
request rather than a complaint. But don't get me started, I'm a major cricket bore.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 78 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Wed, Oct 6, 1999 (01:32) * 1 lines
I'm a major boxing bore (maybe you cold even drop the adjective--in this case--boxing), but we're here because we want to find out about something related to us, yet quite mysterious to most Americans. I probably won't post again because of my innate gift of pissing people off (which doesn't mean drunk in the American vernacular), but I will read, so by all means, "Bore away!!!"
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 79 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Wed, Oct 6, 1999 (01:34) * 5 lines
Further to "worm-burner", which I like, a delivery that shoots along the ground on landing is known in cricket as a daisy-cutter (I have heard other terms and forgotten them). A South African professional recently got fined and banned for using the traditional SA term for such a ball: "coolie-creeper".
A dolly is an easy catch - is that a deliberate pun, I wonder?
A rabbit is a poor batsman, and consequently a ferret is an appalling batsman (because he "goes in after the rabbits")
Cow corner is the derisive name for the fielding position placed when an "agricultural" batsman comes in - one who swipes at the ball.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 80 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Oct 6, 1999 (08:21) * 8 lines
Stick around John, you ain't pissin' me off. You can go a few more
rounds!
I am going to have to actually see a cricket match one of these days to
really grasp it. How many folks here have seen a match at least once?
How many actually play it?
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 81 of 247: John Burnett (mrchips) * Wed, Oct 6, 1999 (10:48) * 2 lines
I used to watch Samoans play cricket at a couple of places in Honolulu. Kapi`olani Park in Waikiki, and Ke`ehi Lagoon Park, near the Honolulu Airport. I was always fascinated by it although I wouldn't have known when something was happening except to hear the cheering. I kept my distance and never asked questions as Samoans in Hawaii are very clannish and wary of Caucasians and most other outsiders as well (unfortunately, in their history, they've had good reason to be). I know it's a stereotype, but a
large percentage of Samoan people are also large, muscular, and excellent athletes. Reading Mark's posts has helped me to gain some insight, in retrospect, to what was actually happening there. I'm sure their teas and lunches were quite different from those in England, though.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 82 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Wed, Oct 6, 1999 (12:29) * 5 lines
Very little cricket is played in the US, I believe, although there are odd pockets of English (and other) ex-pats in NY and Philly.
A Hollywood eleven used to receive some press and play sides on tour, I heard, and just recently someone used cricket to help convert L.A. street-gang kids from violence to sport.
(At least that's what the publicity for the volunteers would have us believe - needless to say the British press swallowed the story whole without finding out if the kids knew one end of a bat from the other).
On Samoan size and clannishness: all testified to by supporters following teams from Samoa, Tonga and Fiji during the current Rugby World Cup currently. Tiny nations, but they sure can play rugby!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 83 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Oct 6, 1999 (13:02) * 4 lines
Oooh! Goody...Cricket being discussed. (John, don't you dare leave me all alone in here! You are anything but a bore...anyone who can judge boxing matches and write poetry is a wonderful thing. I promise to give you back rubs or whatever if you'd like!)
Mark, I love the terms (including the SA one) for what we call grounders in baseball. Another thing about Samoans; we had a girl on the volleyball team who had just played her last game for us (the UHHilo Vulcans) before graduating. A goodly contingent of Samoans were there to applaud her efforts. As the teams were preparing to leave, the Samoans broke into an impromptu song and dance that made your hair stand on end. It was magnificent...and no one left while they were performing. Incredible stuff!
BTW, the New Zealand announcers used the term "worm-burner" if I am remembering correctly!)
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 84 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct 9, 1999 (17:48) * 2 lines
Here is a really complete Cricket site with lots of hot links to wherever you need to go - and it is from Cricket USA...!
http://www-usa.cricket.org/
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 85 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sat, Oct 9, 1999 (18:14) * 11 lines
For cricket coverage and more From Wisden Cricket Monthly (Thanks MarkG !)
http://www.wisden.com
Radio Australia coverage and frequencies for shortwave and internet broadcasts
http://www.abc.net.au/ra/sport/sptransmit.htm#ra
Radio New Zealand International coverage and frequencies for same:
http://www.rnzi.com/pages/sports.htm
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 86 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 5, 1999 (11:25) * 5 lines
Australia vs Pakistan is in the second day of 5 days of test match Cricket. You can listen on the internet at http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/
Or on short wave at 17.580 MHz (lots of QRM last night!)
Check the score card from the first day of play
http://www.abc.net.au/news/cricket/scorecard.htm
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 87 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 5, 1999 (11:27) * 1 lines
check http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/test/#timezone to see what time it will be played for your area of the world.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 88 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Nov 5, 1999 (17:47) * 3 lines
Wow I'll try it on my mobile shortwave rig, the Yaesu FT-100.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 89 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 5, 1999 (18:04) * 1 lines
And you sitting inside of the best conductor around...How can you miss?! I not the frequency is very noisy here but it should be getting dark in Austin about now. It should begin around this time, if my calculations are correct. Off to check the internet connection. (2pm HST or 6pm Austin)
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 90 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 5, 1999 (18:10) * 2 lines
Terry the match has just begun and the internet connection is crystal clear!!!
Whoopee!!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 91 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 5, 1999 (19:52) * 1 lines
'Tis almost lunch time. Is everything clear? Understand what all those terms like maidens, overs, no-balls and none-for-12, and all that mean? It seems incredible that one side scores 367 runs before the other side gets their innings. Stay tuned, fans, we have some experts waiting to help us understand.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 92 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 5, 1999 (20:59) * 1 lines
If you are using Real Player and it goes silent on you, hit the pause button on your player (the 2 parallel lines) then hit the arrowhead on the left (play button) . That sould kick it back into action.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 93 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sat, Nov 6, 1999 (18:00) * 4 lines
The day's match is about to begin...tune in Radio Aussie either on the internet or on short wave 17.580
http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 94 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Nov 6, 1999 (18:29) * 3 lines
Will it go on for a couple of days?
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 95 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sat, Nov 6, 1999 (18:45) * 1 lines
This is the third of 5 days of play, unless one team concedes defeat. And, you carry your score with you. If you dig yourslf a hole, you are stuck in it for the duration!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 96 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sat, Nov 6, 1999 (18:46) * 1 lines
Oh, and the Test Match against India will be broadcast the same way, as well.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 97 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Nov 7, 1999 (08:53) * 3 lines
It was a very, very faint signal on my FT-100 last night on the way in to
Austin. Is it still playing?
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 98 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 7, 1999 (13:25) * 1 lines
It usually goes till 10pm HST which would be 2am for you in Austin. The QRM was really bad later on in the day. They will be playing today again beginning the usual 6pm for you and 2 pm for me. Do try listening on the Internet. It was spectacular!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 99 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Mon, Nov 8, 1999 (12:07) * 3 lines
I think this Test is a sure-fire draw - unless Pakistan have an early collapse on Day 5. The great thing about almost all cricket games is that the commentators can say "I think this session coming up is probably going to be the most important of the entire match" before every session, and mean it!
Partly because they're kidding themselves, and partly because the match can go through big shifts of dominance relatively quickly.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 100 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Nov 8, 1999 (13:12) * 2 lines
As they say in the US, "It ain't over till it's OVER" (Yogi Berra?!) Last day of this test match today commencing at 2pm Hawaiian time, 6pm Austin time.
0000 Zulu.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 101 of 247: anne hale (ommin) * Mon, Nov 8, 1999 (23:38) * 0 lines
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 102 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Nov 9, 1999 (03:35) * 3 lines
Score one to Yogi Berra and the next-session-could-be-crucial people.
Pakistan collapse and Australia go one up, which I'm sure was Anne's point.
(And that's why a Test match takes five days).
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 103 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov 9, 1999 (10:58) * 1 lines
Thanks Mark (wish Anne's posts would not self-destruct.) I was pretty amazed that it was so easy for OZ after 367 runs for Pakistan the first day, then Shane Warne batting so poorly the second day. Next test match - India.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 104 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Nov 10, 1999 (13:09) * 10 lines
Anne's and my conversation re the cricket matches upcoming:
M: How do you think OZ will do against India???
A: depends on how well Tendulkar bats - it really does depend on him. He
plays well Oz is in trouble.
M: this is going to be a tougher cricket match than the last one, do you think?
A: India is tougher than Pakistan - Pakistan are apt to make silly mistakes.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 105 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Thu, Nov 11, 1999 (04:17) * 1 lines
But I think Australia have two more tests against Pakistan in November before India arrive in December.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 106 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 11, 1999 (12:35) * 1 lines
This is true. I consulted your Wisden pullout calendar and note that the Second Test Match agains Pakistan begins 18 November and the Third begins the 26 November. I would imagine for those of us in the US, that is the day prior to the dates shown above. More about that as the time draws nearer - same method of listending to the matches as last time.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 107 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (23:23) * 2 lines
Cricket is on Radio Australia again. The second test match between Australia and Pakistan is in day 1. Tune in http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/
daily at 6pm Austin time. 0000 GMT.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 108 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (23:26) * 1 lines
Short wave 17.580 Mhz
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 109 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (05:55) * 1 lines
This is a bit of a thriller now. Pakistan have moved ahead with only one wicket down in the second innings, and it looks certain to be a win inside the distance for one team or the other.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 110 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (11:46) * 1 lines
It looks to be a better test match than the last series. Which, if Pakistan wins with make it dead level even (as they say). Question: If OZ wins this test match that would put them up 2 - 0. Would the third test match be played anyway?
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 111 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (12:45) * 3 lines
Third test would be played. I guess a five day match is too long (& lucrative)to junk because of the series being dead. Although winning the series is always the most important thing, a final "dead" Test will always be strongly contested, with the beaten side hoping to regain some pride and get on an upswing, and the superior side trying to keep their run of good form going.
In the mid-80s, England suffered two consecutive 5-0 "blackwash" defeats at the hands of the West Indies. How we wished that the series would be stopped after 3 each time!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 112 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (12:52) * 1 lines
My sympathies on the "blackwash" defeats for England. The Windys have always been a formidible team - at least as long as I have actively been pursuing the game around the "British Empire." I am happy to know that not just greed determines the play of the "dead" Test, and that it is played for pride more than anything else. Great stuff. Thanks, Mark!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 113 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (20:42) * 1 lines
Cricket is on again but please use the right hand option. Windows media player is booming in without problems and RealPlayer cannot get connected at all.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 114 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (21:50) * 2 lines
Well, it is three days down and Australia is way ahead. Did Pakistan concede?
What happens next?
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 115 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (22:43) * 6 lines
Anne Hale reports
Marcia - we won and how. Two West Australians won the match for them.
Hurrah. Richie Benaud the commentator mentioned the fact that Americans
were listening to the match. So you are noted. Anne
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 116 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (22:52) * 17 lines
She also clarified what was "A Silly Point" to which the announcers kept alluding:
The fielder stands so near the wicket that he is liable to get his head
knocked off by the batsman as he tries for a boundary. Thus silly point,
mid off and mid on. Anne
There! Got it?!
I also asked if they played tomorrow (there was still a day scheduled for play:
No, thats it until Perth on the 26th. It should be fine and hot, fast
wicket - good for fast bowlers and hopefully Langer and Gilchrist knowing
the wicket so well will shine again. Shane Warne does well in Perth too.
I shall be listening to the radio because it is not onT.V, until 3 o'clock
in the afternoon.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 117 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (23:23) * 11 lines
Then she teased me with this email, so I asked her for a tutorial, please!
Cricket is a wonderful game - its so intriguing for the unitiated and it is
great fun explaining some of the rules. What about bowling, wrong uns,
googlies, right arm over the wicket, left arm around the wicket, bumpers,
etc. Getting out - Stumping, leg before, knocking bat on wicket, even if
the cap hits the wicket and the batsmen is not in the crease - what's the
crease that little line a yard or so in front of the wickets and if your
foot is not over that line you are out!!!! Anne
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 118 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (11:33) * 21 lines
Anne Hale responded with Lesson 1
Well, visualise the space between the two wickets - 22 yards, about a yard
out from both wickets is a line - which is called the crease. If the ball
is missed and goes to the wicketkeeper and the batsman's feet are outside
the crease - he will be stumped by the wicketkeeper who whips the bails off
- the two little sticks, poles whatever put on top of the three wickets.
Leg before wicket is again when the batsman misses the ball and it hits the
batsman's pad's - those big padded things on each batsman's legs and the
umpire is sure if his leg had not been in front it would hit the wicket and
knock the bails off - then he is out. It is quite hard to discern leg
before and the umpire's have to have exceptional eyesight.
Another innovation recently installed is the third umpire - the match is
videoed then slo moed in the pavilion and outside are two lights green and
red, green for not out and red for out. This is used mainly for a run out
- i.e. one of the batsman does not reach the crease in time and the wicket
and bails are either hit by throwing by a fieldsman or again whipped off by
the wicketkeeper. To avoid being out the batsman has to have his bat over
the crease and touching the ground. Enough for one lesson I think. Anne
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 119 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (05:31) * 2 lines
Well, Pakistan got trounced in the 3rd test by almost exactly the same margin as England were rolled over in South Africa (an innings & 20 runs, versus an innings & 21 runs). Meanwhile, in Harare, Nuwan Zoysa, a late replacement for Sri Lanka, took a hat-trick with his first 3 balls of the match, the 1st time this has ever happened in 1st-class cricket. An unbelievable feat for a Test Match, and barely reported because Sri Lanka & Zimbabwe are thought to be the weakest Test nations.
The Zim/SL test could actually finish with the same margin too.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 120 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (12:00) * 1 lines
Incredible stuff, Mark. Thanks for posting it. So, Oz, per usual, is the team to beat season year?! I am sorry I had to miss the fun, but my commitments to the Basketball tournament took me away for 14 hours a day. Today I crash!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 121 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (06:53) * 3 lines
You been truckin' it girl.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 122 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (12:55) * 2 lines
Always! I never knew how to do things by halves... Our usual schedule is to setup before anyone gets there and put away after they have all left. As a result, armed with only old t-shirt for the local school (UHHilo) I managed to turn in sales of $686.50 for just 3 days. Gimme the good stuff (tournament shirts and the like) and I can make you thousands. I seem to be the friendly helpful type who attracts people to ask questions...then they stay and buy something - all for the benefit of the Athletic
cholarship program.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 123 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (19:36) * 3 lines
Ok, Cricket Fans, Australia is playing another test match. The url to download your Internet listening source is http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/
I am finding short wave is better than the interent this afternoon/evening at
17.580 MHz
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 124 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (20:11) * 1 lines
Australia vs India in Aiustralia
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 125 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (20:12) * 1 lines
oh bugger...Australia...but you knew, didn't you?!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 126 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (02:36) * 1 lines
Meanwhile England concede a brief advantage back to SA in their second Test of a 5-game series
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 127 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (12:11) * 44 lines
Is it being broadcast by the BBC via the Internet? Check for additional informatin : http://www-usa.cricket.org/
match to continue at 0830 GMT tomorrow. tune in then to see how
much further England can go to achieving their long cherished
dream of taking a match into the 5th day
Match State: Stumps - Day 2
End of over 44 (1 run) England 139/1 (trail by 311 runs)
M Hayward 8-1-31-0 (1nb) - Duckpond End
N Hussain 70* (125b 7x4 2x6) MA Atherton 58* (133b 9x4)
43.6 Hayward to Atherton, no run, and to the keeper, England finish
their day with a decent batting effort, almost up to Test
standards
43.5 Hayward to Atherton, no run, just the one ball to go now, comatose
has almost set in
builds the dramatic tension by tying his shoelace
43.4 Hayward to Atherton, no run
43.3 Hayward to Hussain, one run, aborting a pull shot, ball goes
anywhere, or long leg to be precise
fastest ball of the day too, 151 km/hr
43.2 Hayward to Hussain, no run, top ball, seaming in, perhaps a faint
inside edge, Boucher drops it diving a distance to his left
43.1 Hayward to Hussain, no run, knocked into the ground, the Eastern
Province Express (excuse the banality) had built up a head of
steam
End of over 43 (1 run) England 138/1 (trail by 312 runs)
SM Pollock 15-5-41-1 (4nb) - Park Drive End
N Hussain 69* (122b 7x4 2x6) MA Atherton 58* (130b 9x4)
42.6 Pollock to Atherton, no run, very wide of the off stump, Atherton
would've needed a second bat and a lot of sticky tape to reach
that one
42.5 Pollock to Atherton, no run, defended awya outside the off stump
42.4 Pollock to Atherton, no run, a mere 8 balls remaining now, no
chance for England to be dismissed today then
42.3 Pollock to Hussain, one run, dragged around, pull shot, gathered by
the long leg
42.2 Pollock to Hussain, no run, again, nothing doing
42.1 Pollock to Hussain, no run
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 128 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (19:54) * 2 lines
Cricket on again...I have heard them mention a "windy woof" - is that like fanning the ball in baseball? Hitting at it and missing it altogether???
Internet broadcast is working well. 17.580 MHz is not good lately as they have another frequency on top of Radio OZ ... and they are louder - in Chinese!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 129 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:57) * 1 lines
Correct about a windy woof. Eng v SA is not on a live Webcast, I believe, as the rights have been bought by Talk Radio, who don't webcast. Every other England Test series for the last two years has been on Radio5live. But it looks like this one has nearly petered out into a draw as I write.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 130 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (13:53) * 1 lines
...is that like "kissing your sister" as they imply in the USA with such contest outcomes? Disappointing, to say the least! Thanks, Mark. It appears that we must be content to listen to OZ test matches if the English ones are being kept insular. I am all disappointment!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 131 of 247: anne hale (ommin) * Fri, Feb 4, 2000 (00:32) * 1 lines
Hey. hey hey - big match today - 2nd final Oz - Pakistan.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 132 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Fri, Feb 4, 2000 (02:47) * 5 lines
Big match, but the expected outcome - Australia take an unassailable 2-0 lead. A massive score of 337 (well over a run a ball) deflates Pakistan.
At home, Australia are utterly unbeatable, and even when away, are normally favourites.
Meanwhile England won the last Test in South Africa after the captains contrived to play for a result following three days of rain ("3DOR"?), and are now embroiled in a less predictable triangular tournament with South Africa and Zimbabwe. All square with one more match each to play in the group stage, where one team will be eliminated before the one-match final.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 133 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 4, 2000 (11:40) * 1 lines
Thanks! I'll be listening. MArk, I have your baseball score book here ready to send. Please let me know via email where you would like to have it sent. I also got some lineup sheets from the last softball games which teams exchange (They also give a copy to the scorer) to send with it.
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Response 134 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (10:50) * 7 lines
The Queen honours the RUC by presenting the force with the George Cross
for its role in policing the Troubles. In the growing world cricket
scandal, former England supremo Ray Illingworth reveals he was offered
cash to throw a match.
http://www.pa.press.net/sport/cricket/CRICKET_Illingworth_5801s.html?pab153
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Response 135 of 247: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (14:07) * 83 lines
Cricket Headlines from http://www.pa.press.net/sport/cricket/main.html
LEWIS TO FACE ECB PROBE
Chris Lewis has been ordered to meet the
England and Wales Cricket Board on Tuesday
to discuss his revelations that three Test
players took cash for fixing matches. FULL
STORY
ICC CALLS SUMMIT OVER MATCH FIXING
The International Cricket Council has
responded to calls for action over corruption in
the game by announcing an emergency
meeting at Lord's. FULL STORY
FOUR INDIAN TEST STARS NAMED IN
'MATCH-FIX' SCANDAL
Four top Indian Test players have been named
as the latest suspects in the 'match-fixing'
scandal which will form the basis of the
emergency International Cricket Council
meeting at Lord's next month. FULL STORY
SOUTH AFRICA AIM TO TEMPT DONALD
WITH CONTRACT
Allan Donald will be offered a specially
shortened contract by South Africa after he
completes his season with
Warwickshire. FULL STORY
KABIR IS PEARS' SURPRISE PACKAGE
Worcestershire bowling prodigy Kabir Ali is out
to give Benson and Hedges Super Cup holders
Gloucestershire the shock of their lives when
the sides face up in a regional clash at New
Road on Tuesday. FULL STORY
ACB - WE'RE NOT TO BLAME FOR CRISIS
The Australian Cricket Board have dismissed
claims by an Indian government minister they
are partly to blame for cricket's current
gambling crisis. FULL STORY
WINDIES WIN AGAIN
West Indies produced a fine all-round display
to beat Pakistan by 17 runs in the sixth and
final preliminary match of the tri-nation 2000
Trophy limited-overs series in St
George's. FULL STORY
BRAVE BLAKEY TO THE RESCUE FOR
YORKSHIRE
Richard Blakey overcame a painful finger injury
to guide Yorkshire to an unlikely Benson and
Hedges Cup victory over Roses rivals
Lancashire at Headingley. FULL STORY
WORCESTERSHIRE EASE PAST
GLAMORGAN
Rookie Seamer Kabir Ali and opening batsman
Paul Pollard helped power Worcestershire to a
comfortable nine-wicket win over Glamorgan in
the Benson and Hedges Cup at New
Road. FULL STORY
DURHAM CRUMBLE TO ORMOND AND
KUMBLE
Pace bowler James Ormond and leg-spinner
Anil Kumble came good to help Leicestershire
to victory against Durham in their Benson &
Hedges Cup group game at Grace Road. FULL
STORY
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Response 136 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Tue, Jul 4, 2000 (16:25) * 10 lines
--- Nude Cricket Players Warned For Showing Off Wickets ----
LONDON, England - A West Yorkshire police officer broke up
a four-man game of nude Cricket at the Scholes Cricket club
near Huddersfield after receiving complaint from residents.
According to a spokesman for the West Yorkshire police,
"Nobody was arrested, it was just a matter of giving them
some advice regarding their conduct." Perhaps it was about
what direction their foul balls were going.
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Response 137 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (04:48) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand bet Bangladesh in the first test in Hamilton fairly comfortably today having restricted them to an innings defeat. When they were sent back in yesterday to bat again, New Zealand had them 11 runs shy of the follow on. For those who do not understand cricket. In a test you must score X number of runs to force the other team to bat again. Bangladesh failed to do that and it sounds like they still could not do after going back through the batting order for a second time.
Rob
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Response 138 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (04:57) * 5 lines
Me again
My favourite memory of Cricket was when we A L M O S T bet the World No.1 in a test series a couple weeks ago. Ian Robinson, the umpire , denied us what I think would have been Steve Waugh's worst nightmare - A New Zealand series win - unthinkable in Australia.
Rob
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Response 139 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (05:02) * 3 lines
And another thing, Kiwi's don't take very kindly to being bowled underarm deliveries (Anne knows what I am talking about, and so does Marcia). Typical Chappells (grrr).
Rob
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Response 140 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (10:06) * 5 lines
Rob, you Dear person. Finally I have a cricket fan here again! Well done, Kiwis. Pakistan is not the easiest team in the world to beat. Since you seem to have started up in earnest, I'll be checking the cricket links to live broadcasts.
You're right about the "underhanded" deliveries. Too bad the men in stripes have to decide games which mean so much and are so close. However, that often is the rallying point for the next game's win. Let me go see if I can find a schedule and url for listening to live matches to post.
Thanks and *Hugs* for finding this languishing topic!
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Response 141 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Dec 22, 2001 (23:43) * 5 lines
Hi all
Marcia, I said Bangladesh not Pakistan. Bangladesh along with Scotland and Kenya are the minnows of world test cricket.
Rob
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Response 142 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Mon, Jan 14, 2002 (18:04) * 11 lines
Hi all
New Zealand and South Africa are destined to fight for the top spot in the cricket tri series with Australia, both having defeated Australia in their opening games.
New Zealand was reeling at 92/6 and not expected to pass 150, but Chris Harris scored 63 and Daniel Vettori 30 in a bout of tail end resistance. They reached 199/8 and then had the Australians 3/1 after just a few balls. We eventually bowled them out for about 175.
See here for tonights game with South Africa
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1069837a1823,FF.html
Rob
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Response 143 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan 14, 2002 (19:49) * 4 lines
I just did a Google search for the frequency of short wave coverage. Internet coverage is also available. Thanks loads, Rob, for alerting us to this!! I keep missing it because I cannot find it on my little receiver beside my bed!
The frequencies, hours and schedule for the upcoming cricket matches for Radio New Zealand International:
http://www.rnzi.com/pages/sports.htm
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Response 144 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan 14, 2002 (19:51) * 1 lines
They are on as I write this on 17.675 MHz and are loud and clear in Hawaii.
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Response 145 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Jan 14, 2002 (20:08) * 2 lines
I can't seem to find internet play-by-play commentary, but the BBC has live updating scoring
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/static/cricket/international_triangular_tournament_new_zealand_v_south_africa/scorecards/4840/scorecard_hi.stm
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Response 146 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Jan 16, 2002 (00:43) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand was defeated by South Africa after the top order batsmen failed to fire when required. Stephen Fleming was the sole exception with 85. South Africa now heads the points table having won all it's games to date.
Rob
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Response 147 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jan 16, 2002 (04:16) * 1 lines
I'm scratching my head in wonder at all these arcane terms.
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Response 148 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Jan 16, 2002 (22:40) * 5 lines
Hi all
Marcia and I can help out. What are you stuck on??
Rob
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Response 149 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 17, 2002 (00:43) * 1 lines
I missed this last day's cricket. The reception was so full of static that I could not follow the commentary. How many overs? How many not our? Who was the losing bowler? (I could look this up.....!)
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Response 150 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 17, 2002 (00:47) * 3 lines
Rob, have you found a place on the internet to listen to Kiwi Cricket? Radio Australia is a close as I can get on the internet unless you are playing the UK (listen to BBC) or you are in OZ. Suggestions?
What's a "duck"????
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Response 151 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Jan 17, 2002 (00:51) * 1 lines
A virgin is a no-hitter? Pitcher bowls an over (6 balls) and is not hit upon? I am a little rusty in my cricket, but eager to learn again now that I have someone to talk about it with!
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Response 152 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Jan 17, 2002 (17:09) * 25 lines
Hi all
New Zealand defeated Australia again last night with a 23 run win at the Sydney Cricket Ground. New Zealand went into bat first and made 235 after a shaky start. In reply Australia was started well but after Michael Bevan was dismissed for 66, the collapse began. One of the batsmen hit the ball onto his mates stumps while he was out of the crease.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0201/18/sport/sport7.html
A duck is when someone is out without scoring. Stumpings occur when the batsman is out of the crease and upon receipt of the ball the wicketkeeper dislodges the bails before the batsman can get himself or his bat back into the crease.
Top order batsmen are the specialist batsmen whose strong point is batting(Nathan Astle, Mark Richardson). Middle order batsmen are all rounders (Chris Harris and Chris Cairns), who have both bowling and batting ability, and the lower order batsmen are the bowlers (Jason Gillespie, Glenn McGrath - Australian medium/fast bowlers).
So my dream NZ one day team would look like this (shown according to batting order):
(Bat)Nathan Astle
(Bat)Matthew Sinclair
(Bat)Lou Vincent
(Bat)Stephen Fleming (c)
(Bat)Craig McMillan
(Bat/Bowl)Chris Cairns (a.r)
(Bat/Bowl)Chris Harris (a.r)
(Bat/Wicket)Adam Parore
(Bowl)Daniel Vettori
(Bowl)James Franklin
(Bowl)Shane Bond
12th Man (Bowl)Scott Styris
Rob
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Response 153 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Jan 20, 2002 (02:38) * 7 lines
Hi all
KING CAIRNS!!!! He slammed a 4 and a 6 of the last over to help New Zealand beat South Africa in our fourth game in the tri series.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1074407a1823,FF.html
Rob
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Response 154 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jan 20, 2002 (04:41) * 3 lines
This is a great sports topic, it's just hard for me to visualize because cricket is never on tv and I haven't seen many live games. I'll be on the look out for a game locally or on tv as you've stirred my interest.
You say he "slammed a 4 and a 6", translation please.
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Response 155 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Jan 20, 2002 (17:16) * 11 lines
Hi all
Sure. When you play cricket there are six score you can get when you hit a shot.
1 (team score goes up by one - 241/7 becomes 242/7)and so on through to 6 (241/7 becomes 247/7).
A four is hit across the boundary rope on the field perimeter, a six must be hit OVER the boundary on the full. A five can only be scored if you hit a single and the fielder who throws the ball in throws it too far and it goes to the boundary.
There are ways to get people out. Bowled out is the bowler bowls the ball and it hits the wicket to dislodge the bails (cross pieces on top of the wickets). Caught and bowled is when the bowler bowls, and the batsman hits the ball back to the bowler who catches it. Caught is the bowler bowls, the batsman hits the ball and another fielder or the wicketkeeper catches it. Run out is the batsmen hits the ball and he and his partner start running but the fielder who gets the ball throws it to either end and the ball hits the wicket, dislodging the bails before the batsman gets into his crease. Stumpings are where the bowler bowls and the wicketkeeper gets the ball and dislodges the bails while the batsman is out of the crease (differs from run outs because the batsman is not running).
Rob
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Response 156 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Fri, Jan 25, 2002 (11:08) * 16 lines
Hi
I'm new to this thread but not to Spring. Have been lurking here waiting for this thread to come alive. I'm glad it did. Am an Aussie and like cricket - so am glad that there is enough interest from our US friends to know more.
Tomorrow (Sat) is battle of the titans. Aus v NZ. Finally - Aus seems to be waking up from a deep sleep.
Hope everyone gets a chance to hear/read/listen. I'll certainly be watching. If there is interest here - I will try and post highlights.
Marcia - are you still out there? Used to see your posts (and your leis) over at Drool. Miss your posts over there. Glad to know you're interested in cricket. And to you too Terry.
(Marcia) A virgin is a no-hitter? Pitcher bowls an over (6 balls) and is not hit upon? I am a little rusty in my cricket, but eager to learn again now that I have someone to talk about it with!
If that is the definition of a "virgin" - then that is as close as you can get to a "duck". When a batsman (= what you call a "hitter") gets "out" before he can score, it is said that he got "out for a duck" - ie big fat zero. When a batsmand get "out" trying to hit the first ball of the over (over= 6 bowls or "pitches") then that is referred to as "golden duck".
For ways to get "out" - see Rob post above #155.
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Response 157 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jan 25, 2002 (14:49) * 2 lines
Is this like the Superbowl of cricket?
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Response 158 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Sat, Jan 26, 2002 (00:59) * 19 lines
Terry, not really but close. Every year, every cricket-playing nation who fields a team with the Int'l Cricket Board goes on tour.
The fixture always includes a "test" series - a number of the traditional 5-day version of the game - and is played between a host country and a visiting country. In Aus this summer, we played e test matches between New Zealand (which, if I recall correctly, ended in a draw because none of the matches were completed due to rain) and then another series against South Africa.
While this series is happening in Aus, there are also similar series happening elsewhere. I think England is touring India, for example.
After the test match series is completed, a "triangular" one-day series is held. This is a series of the modern version of the game...played in one day with each team limited to 50 overs. The goal is to bowl out the opposition within 50 overs or hit as many runs as possible which will then have to be defended when the other team take their turn of their 50 overs.
So - this year - the triangular series in Aus is a round-robin of 1-day matches with Australia, NZ and Sth Africa competing. (There will be a similar one in India to be played after the test match series between India and England - I think!. I do not know who the 3rd team is in that triangle.)
In the games that have been played so far in Aus - Aus lost their first 2 1-day matches - one a-piece against NZ and Sth Africa. Since we are the reigning World Champions (of 1 day games - determined in a World Cup tournament held in England 2 years ago and held once every 4 years) this is a big embarrassment. I said in my post that Aus has finally woken up because we managed to win our next 2 games. So we are now only 1 win behind the leader - NZ. And today, NZ and Aust are playing.
The match is going on now. Australia went to bowl first. We've just finished our 50 overs and we managed to bowl out 5 NZ batsmen for a NZ score of 242 runs.
We will soon take our turn at batting. NZ has to try and bowl out the Aussies before we get 242 runs OR prevent us from reaching 242 by the last ball of the 50th over.
Phew!! That's a tutorial and a half! I am but a casual (though keen) watcher of the game - so there might be a sprinkling of errors there.
Hey Terry - can your video player run PAL? If it can - I will tape the next 1-day game for you, if you like.
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Response 159 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jan 26, 2002 (01:53) * 10 lines
I can't run PAL on my video player.
Maybe Superbowl was the wrong analogy. World series?
overs?
bowl out?
Is this on BBC or anything?
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Response 160 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jan 26, 2002 (02:01) * 1 lines
I went to Tivo and told to create a "wishlist" entry for tivo, there is actually a sports category for "cricket" and I told it if there's ever a match on tv to record it and save it until I delete it. But no programs are scheduled for the next two weeks or within the horizon of what tivo knows about. But if there's ever a televised cricket match, I'll get it now for sure. Maybe some day I'll see a match and get a better idea of what you're talking about.
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Response 161 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Sat, Jan 26, 2002 (19:04) * 7 lines
Aus lost v NZ - without much fight
Terry - if you go to the early posts on this thread there were some excellent tutorials submitted by anneh and MarG - from about post #26.
What's tivo?
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Response 162 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jan 27, 2002 (05:52) * 1 lines
I'll reread the topic. Tivo is a digital vcr, it's a wonderful device that let's you save programs and pause programs you're watching, see http://www.tivo.com for more details.
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Response 163 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Feb 3, 2002 (22:14) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand and South Africa will contest the finals in a best of three format. South Africa denied Australia the bonus point that they needed and now the Australians are out.
Rob
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Response 164 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sun, Feb 3, 2002 (22:32) * 3 lines
Hi Minkee, drag MarkG over from Drool - the man actually PLAY cricket! I'm delighted you are here. I have fallen behind on posts and am delighted to see so many of them.
Question: When the batsman hits into the field (sweeping the ball away to keep the bale on the wicket), he and his "runner" (?) dash back and forth between "bases"(?) as fast as they can scoring one point each time. so you can score one point, 4 or 6 points depending on where you hit it. If you get tagged out.. it is just like baseball - You're OUT! (Do I have this correct?)
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Response 165 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Mon, Feb 4, 2002 (01:02) * 25 lines
Marcia...aaaahhh....mmmmm. I probably need more time to analyse your question - you've lost me totally. I feel for all of you trying to understand us then when we try and explain cricket.
he and his "runner" (?) You call them "partners". The Partner who is batting collects the score everytime he and his partner cross each other on the strip of grass between the wickets. The score they build is a "partnership".
so you can score one point, 4 or 6 points depending on where you hit it.
When they cross each other and reach the other end of the wicket (the strip of grass - yes, you can also call the three stumps of wood holding the bale- the "wicket") that is counted as "1" run.
When the batsman hits the ball and the ball lands on the "boundary" or the fences of the ground - that gets 4 runs.
When the ball hits OVER the boundary or fence - that gets 6 runs.
A batsman can get "out" a number of ways :
1 He hits the ball in the air and one of the fieldsmen (of the opposition team) catches the ball;
2 leg before wicket or LBW - we need MarkG to explain this - it's too much for me to explain - but review the earlier posts on this board - MarkG wrote up a very good intro
3 "run out" - a fieldsman throws the ball and hits the "stumps" and dislodges the bale from the top of the stumps before the batsman can reach the end of the wicket to that he is running.
4 there are other "weird" ways - a batsman hits the ball in such a way that the ball lands on the stumps behind him (this happened in yesterday's game between Aust and Sth Africa) OR I have seen a game where the batsman accidentally hits the stumps with his hand.
Ok - that's it. I better give MarkG a call to help me out here. AnneH of West Aust - yoohooo - I need some help here .-)
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Response 166 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Mon, Feb 4, 2002 (01:20) * 8 lines
Hi all
A couple terms to get right. When you hit the ball and both you and your partner (other end)run to the crease at the opposite end, it is called a RUN. When you hit a ball over the boundary rope on the full it is 6, meaning you scored 6 runs. When a ball is hit to the boundary and goes over on one or more bounces BEFORE the rope, it is 4. A 1, 2, or 3 are scored by hitting the ball and managing to run between the crease at the other end one two or three times.
Mid wicket is somewhere near the pitch mid way between the wickets at either end. Slips are the players near the wicket keeper (fieldsman behind wickets with gloves and pads)and they are there to block any ball that might get past the wicket keeper. Catches are often taken by slips because they are fairly close to the batsman.
Rob
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Response 167 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Mon, Feb 4, 2002 (01:25) * 5 lines
Hi all
The game between New Zealand and Australia to which Maryw refers ended in a New Zealand victory. New Zealand scored 242/5 (i.e batsmen were got out)and bowled the Australians out for just 166. That means New Zealand won by 76 runs, a big victory against a team like Australia.
Rob
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Response 168 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 4, 2002 (16:41) * 1 lines
Be patient with me. I can follow the games on Short Wave, and I just watched the end of the Windies beating Pakistan on the first day of play for a test match.
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Response 169 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Wed, Feb 6, 2002 (01:28) * 3 lines
(Marcia)Be patient with me.
We will! We'll even cheer for you. You're doing great!
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Response 170 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 6, 2002 (23:26) * 3 lines
Oooh, Minkee! Thanks! Oh, off topic but definitly wanted you to know I cannot post on Drool for some reason. I have loads of leis standing by! Most of the time I hang around this part of Spring http://tvnight.org/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/geo/all/new
please look - we have as much fun in there as you do in drool without the disputes. Hey, it is, if nothing else, a place to drag out your pearls and an excuse to see The Anerica's Cup done in Nephrite Jade.
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Response 171 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Fri, Feb 8, 2002 (03:09) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand is playing South Africa in Sydney tonight in a game that has been disrupted by a hailstorm and cast in doubt by heavy rain before the game. New Zealand stumbled to 172 in 41 of a allowed 46 overs and at the last check South Africa was 83/3.
Rob
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Response 172 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 12, 2002 (20:17) * 1 lines
Terry and all others who want to listen to live cricket. The New Zealand vs England match has just begun on 17.675 MHz.
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Response 173 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 12, 2002 (20:54) * 91 lines
CRICKET FOR NOVICES - FIELD PLACING MADE EASY
"How can you stay up all night listening to that?" a friend asked me once. "What is gully and slips and
backward and silly?" she wanted to know. This was as I listened to Test Cricket against Pakistan.
I did my best to explain and thought it was a lost cause. You can imagine my surprise and delight when I
heard her say, during the South African tour, that Lara should not attempt to hook those high bouncers
because he could be caught at midwicket.
Double take! Midwicket, where is that? I asked and, she blithely explained, half way between square leg
and mid on. I nearly dropped dead laughing.
This was the same person who thought cricket was silly. But she looked and listened, with despair, all
through the South African tour and, with delight, through the continuing Australian series.
She thinks that if more people knew the positions and could follow the game easily there would be greater
interest.
Cricket is an old game started by farmers more than 800 years ago. The game now bears little resemblance
to what it was then but much of the nomenclature remains.
The pitch, running from north to south, is a prepared strip of turf or sometimes clay, overlaid by matting,
22 yards long. It is in the centre of a field, which measures not less than 75 yards from the batsman to the
boundary in first-class grounds.
At the ends of the pitch are the wickets. Each wicket is comprised of three stumps, cylindrical pieces of
wood, 28 inches high and nine across.
The batting crease is 40 inches from the stumps and field placings can be decided and named from two
lines drawn, one down the pitch and a second across the field from the batting crease.
The first is a line drawn down the pitch, a north/south line, from middle stump to middle stump and
extended to the boundaries. The side of the field that the batsman faces when he takes his stance, is the
off-side. The other side is the on- or leg-side.
If a line is drawn east/west along the batting crease and continued to the boundaries, everything in front of
the batsman and towards the bowler is forward. Everything behind the batsman and away from the bowler
is backward. So you have backward pint and forward square leg but we will deal with that later.
The wicketkeeper is the man with the gauntlets, and short pads, standing behind the batsman. Next to him
on the off-side, in an arc of about 60 degrees are the slips and gully. They are aggressive fieldsmen, and are
usually there to take catches expected when the batsman only succeeds in edging the ball.
There may be four or five slips depending on the speed of the bowler, the liveliness of the pitch and the
competence of the batsman.
The slips are numbered first, second, third etc. The first is the one nearest the wicketkeeper. Next to them
and slightly closer is gully, seldom are there two gullies.
Behind the slips and gully, there is third-man. He is more often than not on the boundary to intercept balls
that might have eluded the slips or gully, or shots (cuts) played by the batsmen. He saves many runs by
preventing boundaries. There may also be short third-man, a position employed when a batsman shows
either a technical fault or had a particular shot that calls for short third-man to counter it.
At about 90 degrees from the pitch is point. The fieldsman here is often one of the better ones in any team
and he covers a lot of territory. To the left of point when a right hand batsman is facing is backward point
and he merges with short third-man as none of the positions is stuck on a blade of grass.
To the right of point is coverpoint and that merges into extra-cover and that goes into mid-off.
Each of these is usually a run-saving position just about 35-45 yards away from the bat. Even that is
dependent on the speed of the outfield and of the batsmen involved.
Mid-off is just about 35 yards away from the batsman but occasionally, especially when slow bowlers are
operating and batsmen are on the prowl, mid-off is pushed back to the boundary and he then becomes
long-off.
On the other side of the pitch, there is mid-on, which corresponds to mid-off and long-on to long-off.
Square leg is the same as point, except that it is on the leg-side and mid-wicket is similar to extra cover.
Just as there is a backward point there is backward square leg and round from that position, towards the
wicketkeeper, is fine leg. These are the run-saving, legside positions and as on the off side, the continuation
of the position to the boundary turns square-leg to deep square-leg, fine-leg becomes long leg.
There are then the silly positions, life-threatening one might say and some people believe the fieldsman that
occupies any of those is really silly.
At about ten yards from the bat in the direction of mid-of or mid-on are silly mid-off or silly mid-on. There
is also silly point. There are too, forward or backward short-leg, positions about five or eight yards from the
bat, either just in front of behind square.
Usually these fieldsmen wear helmets and shin-guards under their trousers.
This has been done assuming the batsman to be a right-hander. All that needs be done if he is left-handed
would be to switch the positions so that off becomes leg and vice versa.
Once you get the hang of the basic positions, the game becomes easier to listen to because it is more
understandable.
The positions are all designed to counter strokes that the batsmen make and errors that the bowlers
encourage him to make. But that would take another little chapter.
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Response 174 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 12, 2002 (20:56) * 1 lines
The above is from http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Sport%5CCRICKET_FOR_NOVICES.html
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Response 175 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 12, 2002 (21:11) * 5 lines
from http://www.abcofcricket.com/cfb1/cfb2/cfb3/cfb3.htm
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Response 176 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 12, 2002 (22:18) * 1 lines
I am listening to a live Cricket match with Rob and he is answering my questions as it progresses. This has been the best cricket match ever, even if New Zealand is getting hit upon in a really big way by England. Sill, it is the best way to learn. I look at the above graph, the cricket instructions I will post soon, and I am in Cricket heaven. Thanks Rob! *Hugs* for being so patient!
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Response 177 of 247: anne hale (ommin) * Wed, Feb 13, 2002 (02:29) * 1 lines
Hey, hey, hey have you not been listening to the cricket in OZ. South Africa trounced New Zealand in a one day match final.
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Response 178 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Wed, Feb 13, 2002 (12:03) * 7 lines
Hi Anne!!! I'm delighted you are here. I miss talking to you!
I finished last night's one-day match between England and New Zealand by listening to the game on a little loud speaker under my pillow. It was past 11 PM when it was over and the Kiwis were victorious!
I have all frequencies written down., The next NZ match is on the 16th (their time) broadcast on 11.675 MHz. The game will be played in Wellington. Time to be announced when UI find it or Rob or one of you other Cricket-wise people posts it.
About the field positions, I aske Rob about the "silly" positions. He said it was called that because anyone who took that position without a helmet was just plain silly (or would be knocked silly, I suppose!)
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Response 179 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Feb 14, 2002 (00:12) * 5 lines
Hi all
Hi Anne. I admit that SA hammered us, and I also admit that we were down on key players during the final. I admit to a third thing as well, our batting was not good enough and we did not seem to contain the awesome stroke power of the SA team. Now, would you admit that New Zealand should have won the third test against Australia in Perth?
Rob
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Response 180 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 16, 2002 (22:31) * 19 lines
ECC Indoor Championships 2002 - Tournament Report
ECC Media Release - 11 February 2002
Greece yesterday secured their first European indoor cricket title, beating Ireland with 8 balls to spare in the final
of the European Cricket Council's 12-team Indoor Championships in Mechelen, Belgium.
This event, the ICC World Development Programme's only indoor tournament, is open to both Associate and
Affiliate members, with some parity in playing standards ensured by the enforcement of 3 age categories (U17 for
the leading Associates, U21 for the remaining Associates and U26 for the Affiliates). The first phase of the
tournament was played in two groups, drawn according to the rankings established at last year's event in Portugal,
followed by an exciting knock-out stage.
After last year's exceptionally close finish, Group A saw reigning champions, Portugal, pitted against Holland,
Spain, Greece, hosts Belgium and Austria. The Greeks quickly established themselves as the form team, with
commanding performances in the group matches including an impressive 174-1 against Austria, whilst the Dutch
team's ability to defend smaller targets proved the strength of their bowling. The group was decided by the final
match between these two, with the Greeks setting an imposing target before bowling out the Dutch.
more... http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2002/FEB/095539_ECC_11FEB2002.html
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Response 181 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 16, 2002 (22:32) * 1 lines
INDOOR CRICKET?????!!!!!!! GREECE?????!!!!!!!!
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Response 182 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 16, 2002 (22:42) * 4 lines
Greece won the European indoor cricket championship! Cheers!!!
The Greeks managed to restrict their young opponents to 78-3, and, despite some tight bowling from the Irish
early on, came through to win with 8 balls to spare, taking the title for the first time.
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Response 183 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Mon, Feb 18, 2002 (10:41) * 9 lines
Ohmigosh - Marcia - you're the Cricket Mistress extrordinaire - complete with field positions and even a drawing of the field. I am impressed.
You should follow the upcoming Sth Africa/Oz test and one day-ers. That's the Battle of the Titans.
Anne H/Rob - what did you think of the dropping of Steve Waugh?
I haven't kept up with news as my head is buried in work at the 'mo - have they announced the Oz oneday team yet. Has Mark Waugh been dropped?
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Response 184 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 18, 2002 (22:56) * 4 lines
In my humble opinion, they will miss Steve Waugh if he is healthy enough to play. He has been the mainstay of the Oz team for ages. I actually know more frequencies to listen to Oz Cricket than I do for NZ. I will be listeing.
Tomorrow at 2300 hours (Tuesday for me, Wednesday for NZ) Cricket NZ vs England will be on 17675 on into the night. I cannot wait. I think Mark is still on the team. I have not seen anything to refute this, but I'll check.
Minkee, I somehow managed to get banned from Drool. I have not been able to post anything in there for some time. I'll email Karen about it. Thanks for missing my leis! I'll find another place to put them if necessary. When is Your birthday? You need one, too!
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Response 185 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 18, 2002 (23:01) * 3 lines
(minkee): Marcia - you're the Cricket Mistress extrordinaire
Does this qualify me as 13th man? I can clean up after the drinks break!
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Response 186 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 18, 2002 (23:07) * 14 lines
I subscribe to cricket news and this is Reuters latest about your test match with SA
Cricket-Determined Steve Waugh nears century against S.Africa A
POTCHEFSTROOM, South Africa, Feb 18 (Reuters) - Australia's Steve Waugh put his sacking as a one-day player and captain behind him with a determined 91 not out against South Africa A before rain stopped play on Monday.
Earlier, Ricky Ponting, Waugh's replacement as limited overs skipper, resumed on 93 and made 120 from 155 balls with 23 fours before being caught behind by wicketkeeper Thami Tsolekile after cutting a delivery from Gulam Bodi.
Australia reached 351 for eight before the match closed early due to rain on the second day of the three-day clash. Rain also washed out the final session of the first day on Sunday.
Only 96 of a scheduled 208 overs have been possible on the first two days of Australia's only match before the start of the first Test in Johannesburg on Friday.
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Response 187 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 18, 2002 (23:13) * 0 lines
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Response 188 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Feb 18, 2002 (23:20) * 1 lines
(Scribbled an old article about the Waugh twins. Still looking for news of Mark)
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Response 189 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Wed, Feb 20, 2002 (19:16) * 7 lines
Marcia - you can carry the drinks.
You can post your leis here...why not do one for Steve W - he did get his century against Sth Africa A.
Why did you get banned from Drool - have you been naughty?
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Response 190 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Feb 21, 2002 (00:38) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand lost the 3rd of 5 games against England by 43 runs, after sounding thrashing them in the first two. Set a challenging target of 245 to win (England 244/5 after 50 overs) New Zealand started badly with the dismissal of Nathan Astle on 2 and although the top order fired with Captain Stephen Fleming top scoring with a 76 run knock, New Zealand folded rapidly after Craig McMillan was out for 14. We however still lead the series and with two games in hand will hopefully beat England in the next match, I believe to be played in Auckland.
Rob
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Response 191 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 21, 2002 (19:01) * 3 lines
Aukland is indeed the next game - tomorrow at 2 PM HST (0000 GMT Saturday). Listening to this series with Rob on IM ready to answer or affirm my comments has helped enormously. I feel I can "see" it happening and I now can give the scores in a proper way. Thanks and *HUGS* Rob. This is really good stuff. Terry, listen in.
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Response 192 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 21, 2002 (19:07) * 3 lines
17675 at 8PM Austin time (change in frequency as propagation changes)
15340
11675 till end of game
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Response 193 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 21, 2002 (19:08) * 1 lines
6 PM Austin time sorry!
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Response 194 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (20:21) * 11 lines
From the other side of the world : First Test Aus v Sth Africa - the grudge match that will settle who is *No. 1* in test cricket in the world (apparently!).
Aus won coin and elected to bat. At stumps on Day 1 Aus 5 for 331. Matthew Haydn was awesome. Made 125 before going out caught behind (I think). Mark Waugh out for 50+ (not bad - considering he is under scrutiny) and Steve was out for 30+.
Alan Donald broke down with a hamstring injury and left field.
Aus in good position. That wicket looks like it's going to turn and Warne must be smacking his lips with anticipation.
Realtime reporting (text only it seems) on www.cricinfo.org.
Marcia - you're doing great. You're really taking to the game aren't you?
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Response 195 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (22:35) * 3 lines
I LOVE cricket!! I really can visualize what is happening and can tell how many overs how many wickets and how many runs as in 127/3 for 30 overs. I am listening to the New Zealand vs England.
Rain delay. Truncated to 40 overs.
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Response 196 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (22:37) * 1 lines
ugh! they've switched to rugby....
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Response 197 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (23:01) * 1 lines
England got 197/6 Rain delay continues.
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Response 198 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Feb 23, 2002 (01:54) * 5 lines
Hi all
Absolutely fantastic fireworks on the cricket pitch. Chris Harris and Chris Cairns have risen to the occasion and are scoring 9 an over which is a very high rate of runs. They needed at the time of writing this, 78 runs from 48 balls. The required run rate per over is the average number of runs you need to score an over to win. Whilst 9.75 runs an over is a very high required run rate it is achievable - or at least Chris Harris and Chris Cairns think it is.
Rob
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Response 199 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Feb 23, 2002 (19:54) * 1 lines
Is THAT what happened. I missed it! The Chrises have done it - I am assuming that was the outcome. I was watching my last glimpses of the Olympics and by the time I tuned in my radio, RNZI was off the air.
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Response 200 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Feb 27, 2002 (00:26) * 5 lines
Hi all
Sadly that game shortly afterwards went horribly astray and we were out for 201, 44 runs short of victory. New Zealands big problem was the top order batting failed to fire and the Englishman, Darren Gough set about effecting a miniature New Zealand collapse.
But, last night (February 26, 2002 NZ time)something awesome happened..........
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Response 201 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Feb 27, 2002 (00:36) * 7 lines
Continuing from where I left off with the other article.
England went into bat and started well. New Zealand was slow at getting wickets until late in the game, as England had reached 133/3 before a Chris Cairns wicket initiated a slide to leave England at 182/7 in the 45th over. New Zealand started well with Nathan Astle and Chris Nevin piling on 55, then Nevin went. Brendon McCullum did not last long and followed with the score on 77, and the Captain, Stephen Fleming three runs later. Craig McMillan and Nathan Astle scored an impressive 100 to cement the innings, before he was dismissed. Cairns followed suit, but that paved the way for Lou Vincent to enter and together he and Astle saw out the game with Astle top scoring on 122, passing the 5000 run mark in the most impressive fashion at the end with a huge six.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1117568a1823,FF.html
Rob
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Response 202 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Wed, Feb 27, 2002 (01:55) * 8 lines
Hello everybody. Just popping in again. Great to see the cricket topic revived.
Congratulations to the Black Caps for their series win over England - an intriguing series. But the Test matches are the real thing in my opinion. Let's see what happens there.
Meanwhile Australia absolutely massacred South Africa in their first test - total mismatch, it would seem.
Was very amused to hear Marcia asking about a virgin - think it's a maiden you mean, Marcia.
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Response 203 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Wed, Feb 27, 2002 (02:34) * 3 lines
Welcome back Mark. I'm glad you dropped in - I was worried for a while that I may have to do the cricket tutorials to our American friends when I know you are the master (I was a lurker when you "opened the batting" on this topic and gave everyone a very plain and straightforward lesson on cricket - I learned a lot too.)
"absolutely massacred" is right. Whatever happened to Sth African cricket? I think one of the reasons why Aus lost serially to NZ in the one day series was because they had their total focus on Sth Africa - overestimated their current abilities and completely underestimated a rising NZ squad. Anyway - these all augurs well for an interesting World Cup in 2 (?) years.
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Response 204 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 28, 2002 (00:00) * 3 lines
OH MARK!!! Yes! You were my first instructor and I hoped you would return. May I post your cricket ball story? It is pricelss! I had hoped my faux pas would not be seen by you. I knew immediatley when I sent it that my word was terribly and hilarious wrong. *sigh* Welcome back to the Cricket topic. Rob has taught me well.
Test matches are what I also prefer. For those who do not know, Mark actually PLAYS Cricket!
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Response 205 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 28, 2002 (00:09) * 3 lines
Minkee, I'll take all the help I can get.
Happy me, I am not banned from Drool. I just cannot post there due to technical glitches still remaining from the hacking incident! Leis to come as soon as I can post again!
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Response 206 of 247: MarkG (MarkG) * Thu, Feb 28, 2002 (05:52) * 5 lines
Marcia, I couldn't have been your first instructor - you were already listening to radio broadcasts even then. Minkee, glad to have been of any help - I think the South Africans are really suffering from the lack of their two key bowlers (Donald & Pollock); everything else just drains away through loss of confidence, and then they can't withstand the might of Australia.
The recent Oz/NZ/SA one-day series just shows a lack of interest by top international players in the endless round of meaningless one-day competitions - which is why test cricket remains a truer test (and of course the World Cup).
Marci, the fact that I actually PLAY cricket is not that amazing - I suspect Rob knows his way around a field too. Exciting times for me though - my club is trying to own its first ever field this year rather than just rent pitches. Season starts in 8 weeks!
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Response 207 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Thu, Feb 28, 2002 (15:17) * 4 lines
(Mark) The recent Oz/NZ/SA one-day series just shows a lack of interest by top international players in the endless round of meaningless one-day competitions - which is why test cricket remains a truer test (and of course the World Cup).
But it was significant enough to have caused Steve Waugh the captaincy when he showed a lack on interest in what they thought was "beatable" Kiwis. Everyone got a shock didn't they - Steve Waugh most of all. It was just so sad that NZ let the momentum slip away by losing so badly to SA - I was amazed!
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Response 208 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Fri, Mar 1, 2002 (00:37) * 5 lines
Hi all
Beware, a resurgent Black Caps is more dangerous to the opposition than they sometimes look. New Zealand went in as the underdogs not expecting to make the finals. I think we are still inconsistent. Consistency against Australia does not necessarily translate into consistency against South Africa. I think one reason why we did well was we could finally play the deliveries of Shane Warne, who in the past has caused many a problem. Another thing was the good outcome of the test series, though many here including myself think that the three wickets that were controversially denied to New Zealand in the final test, should have fallen. We think we should have won that series, because the first two games were drawn to keep the series bottled up at 0-0.
Rob
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Response 209 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Fri, Mar 1, 2002 (05:44) * 1 lines
You may be right there, Rob.
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Response 210 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Mar 2, 2002 (14:04) * 3 lines
Shane Warne is GORGEOUS. I wonder what sort of following he has. I have a door-sized poster of the dear boy sent to me straight from OZ by a lady old enough to know better.
What cricket I knew before you all gave me pointers and taught me so patiently was gleaned by endless listening to games and looking at graphics and rules in my encyclopaedia. Back then they were not so handy on the computer.
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Response 211 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Sat, Mar 2, 2002 (18:01) * 3 lines
Shane Warne is GORGEOUS.
Not my type - You know Marcia we only like the tall, dark, totally repressed ones of the ODB type ;-). But as long as he spins the way he still manages to do so after so many years - he'll be good enough for me. You should see him lately - lost 8 kilos - no beer and no pizzas he said.
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Response 212 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Mar 3, 2002 (02:50) * 9 lines
Hi all
"Cairns can bowl, Cairns can bat - Warne can't - he's too damn fat" said a sign Craig and some friends took to the last Australia versus NZ One Day International match in Christchurch.
Rob: I might ignore the "too damn fat part", but by and large they are on target. Cairns is widely acknowledged here and abroad to be one of the finest all rounders in the game and one of the hardest hitters. And he can bowl. At peak fitness he can bowl up to 145kmh which is pretty fast. But it is his batting that is impressive. He scored a century against India in Christchurch a couple years ago and took about 43 balls to bring up his half century, then just another 35 to bring up his century!
For his part Warne has played some superb games and has taken over 400 test wickets and ALMOST scored a century against New Zealand in Perth last year - out on 99. Gotta feel sorry for him, he probably will not bring it up before he retires and it is about the only NEAR-century the batsman at No.8 about which I know that has been scored.
Rob
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Response 213 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar 3, 2002 (13:48) * 3 lines
Carins gets my vote as top cricketeer. Warne is just another *pretty* athlete who can play the game - or used to be able to do so. Fat? I thought it was just his head! (Just kidding, you OZ rock-throwers!)
When's the next game I can catch on short wave radio? OZ, NZ or UK?
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Response 214 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar 3, 2002 (13:52) * 1 lines
Minkee, I'd agree with you in a second about ODB and not being fond of Blonds (as in Ralph Feinnes) but... Since Rob is blond, I will allow that some of them can be very special, indeed ;)
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Response 215 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Mon, Mar 4, 2002 (11:07) * 3 lines
Dunno nothin' 'bout short wave - sorry Marcia. But Oz v Sth Africa 2nd test should be on very soon.
Marcia - since you have been indulging in some brit and antipodean passions...have you added rugby to your list. The Super 12 is on - how are your teams going Rob? Is there a rugby topic on this board?
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Response 216 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar 4, 2002 (17:47) * 4 lines
I actually watched some rugby games on the international sports station on my cable TV - with amazed detachment. I got the hang of the process fairly easily.
Listening to it on short wave radio from NZ is truly mind-boggling, though. They tend to become over-excited and begin yelling. Very much like American Football.
I'll check the Radio Australia schedule and see what I can find. I'd love to hear one of your games again!!! Thanks!
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Response 217 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Mar 5, 2002 (01:33) * 5 lines
Hi all
Canterbury versus England starts on Thursday my time. Will keep you posted about the tests.
Rob
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Response 218 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Mar 5, 2002 (01:55) * 5 lines
Hi all
Terry, I suppose as the resident New Zealander, I can host a rugby conference, though I am not personally super interested in it, favouring cricket to New Zealands big game and one of the corner stones of NZ sport.
Rob
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Response 219 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Mar 5, 2002 (03:48) * 1 lines
Do you want me to set up a rugby topic in the sports conference, Rob? If it's successful, we could certainly entertain a whole conference on rugby.
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Response 220 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Mar 7, 2002 (19:21) * 5 lines
Hi all
I can do it, thanks. Marcia taught me how to do it so and I have since set up a John Denver topic in the music conference less than 30 minutes old at the time of typing this.
Rob
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Response 221 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Mar 7, 2002 (19:23) * 5 lines
Hi all
A netball topic will have to follow as well because netball is BIG in NZ, South Africa, England, Australia, Jamaica, and the Pacific Islands.
Rob
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Response 222 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 7, 2002 (21:00) * 3 lines
Terry has to make the topics in Sports conference so I hope he will create one for Netball. It will be coming up at the Athens Olympics so world teams are honing their skills.
(Great idea about John Denver!!!)
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Response 223 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Mar 10, 2002 (23:32) * 5 lines
Hi all
In a few days the First Test between New Zealand and England will begin in Christchurch. I am picking a New Zealand win but not by much.
Rob
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Response 224 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Mon, Mar 11, 2002 (12:13) * 6 lines
Thanks for the reminder.
http://www.rnzi.com/pages/sports.htm
The only broadcasts listed for the entire month of March are Rugby matches! Surely they will carry the Christchurch game! I'll look further. I'm also picking New Zealand, but you are right about the closeness of the contest!
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Response 225 of 247: Minkee (maryw) * Tue, Mar 12, 2002 (07:14) * 1 lines
Aus just won the 2nd test v Sth Africa by 4 wickets. This puts aus in an unbeatable 2-win position in the 3-test series. Apparently this confirms Aus No. 1 position in the world. Shane Warne bowled 70 overs in the match and took 7 wickets I think. Won Man of the Match.
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Response 226 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Mar 14, 2002 (02:27) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand bowled England out for 228 but were bowled out for about 147 in reply. England now bat again and then we try to match them. We are 81 in deficit plus whatever England make. To win we must clear the deficit when England send us back to the crease to bat.
Rob
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Response 227 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Mar 14, 2002 (02:30) * 5 lines
Hi all
Lets say we go in and score 320, then England score 269 in reply. England need to get the 51 run deficit AS WELL AS whatever the (lets say for arguments sake 250 we score on top of that)New Zealanders get in their second innings.
Rob
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Response 228 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 14, 2002 (14:56) * 1 lines
RNZI is not carrying the test match. I'll check on the BBC and see if I can find a place on short wave or internet so I can share it with you. I ma bereft. I am missing the second day and I just hate that. Test matches are my favourites!
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Response 229 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Fri, Mar 15, 2002 (23:42) * 5 lines
Hi all
England plundered the New Zealand bowling increasing their margin to over 500 and in the process Graham Thorpe of England scored a rare double century and he was followed by Andrew Flintoff who scored a century. In reply New Zealand needed a mammoth 550 to win. We started okay, and Stephen Fleming and Mark Richardson scored 76 and 48 respectively. Nathan Astle however starred brilliantly scoring 222 runs which is rare in cricket. He became the fastest double century getter in history and hit 11 sixes (66 runs)+ 28 fours (112 runs). Sadly the last New Zealand wicket fell with us 98 runs shy of victory. But a magnificent effort from Astle.
Rob
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Response 230 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sun, Mar 17, 2002 (01:25) * 6 lines
Hi all
England lead the 3 test series 1-0. I will find out when the second test starts and get back to you ASAP.
Rob
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Response 231 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar 17, 2002 (22:47) * 1 lines
Double centuries!!! Alas I could not hear it because RNZI did not boradcast it.
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Response 232 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (01:14) * 5 lines
Hi all
The second test against England has begun, but the first day was washed out by rain. Today also started wet but the sun came out and England went into to bat. At stumps (end of play for the day), England was 92/2.
Rob
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Response 233 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (12:57) * 22 lines
Ok, where are the snacks and other food ideas for us to eat while watching you beat the bejabbers out of the competition? *smile*
Ginger Tea
This brew is good for mornign sickness, a spring tonic, sea skickness or just to ease and heal you from a nasty cold - and it is delicious and warms you.
Heat 3 cups of water to just barely boiling. Remove from heat. Add:
3 sticks of cinnamon
1/4 cup of grated fresh ginger
Steep in the simmering water for 20 minutes.
Strain into cups or silver mounted glasses.
Add to each cup, one teaspoon of honey.
Stir and enjoy.
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Response 234 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (16:25) * 1 lines
back to cricket... I hope they bradcast the next New Zealand / England test match. I am feeling decidely neglected!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 235 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (17:22) * 34 lines
Cricket-England's Hollioake dies in car crash - report
PERTH, Australia, March 23 (Reuters) - England allrounder Ben Hollioake was killed in a car crash in the early hours of Saturday, Australian Broadcasting Corp reported.
The 24-year-old Surrey player, who made test appearances in August 1997 against Australia and a year later versus Sri Lanka, crashed on Mill Point Road in South Perth and died at the scene.
His sports car spun out of control and hit a brick wall just after midnight Perth time (1600 GMT), ABC Radio reported.
His 22-year-old female passenger received head and chest injuries and was taken to a Perth hospital, the report said.
ABC Radio said relatives had been travelling behind Melbourne-born Hollioake's car and were soon on the scene of the accident.
``The vehicle spun out of control into a brick property fence,'' Australian Associated Press quoted Inspector Ian Duggan of Australia police in Perth as saying.
Inspector Greg Medhurst of the Australia police told Sky Sports television that their crash inquiry unit was already investigating the cause of the accident.
Paul Sheldon, Surrey's chief executive, said: ``This is devastating news. It's terrible to lose such a supreme talent as Ben's, just as he was beginning to realise his full potential as a cricketer.'' Hollioake was visiting his parents on holiday after England's one-day internationals in New Zealand. England were beaten 3-2, but Hollioake did not play due to a knee injury sustained in India during England's 3-2 one-day series win.
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The allrounder, who had a 75-match first class career, had just signed another year's contract with Surrey after being courted by Warwickshire and was desperate to get back into the England team before next year's World Cup.
Hollioake, whose older brother Adam is Surrey captain, was born in Melbourne on November 11, 1977 and made his test debut in the same game as his brother in the fifth test against Australia at Nottingham's Trent Bridge.
Hollioake was the youngest player to represent England since Brian Close in 1949.
Regarded as more of a one-day specialist, he made his debut in one-day internationals in 1997 scoring 63 at Lord's against Australia in the third match of the series.
He played little until last summer's recall to the England side for the triangular tournament with Pakistan and Australia. He scored 37 not out against Australia and shared a 70-run stand with Owais Shah in 7.2 overs in the game with Pakistan.
Those performances saw him selected to tour Zimbabwe, India and New Zealand as part of England's build-up to the World Cup.
In his first-class career he scored 2794 runs at 25.87 and took 126 wickets at 33.45. In 20 ODIs he got 309 runs at 20.60 including two 50s. His first game 63 was his highest score.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 236 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (17:31) * 10 lines
Cricket-Hussain bats confidently as England progress
WELLINGTON, March 23 (Reuters) - Captain Nasser Hussain made a confident start as England moved from their overnight score of 92 for two to 140 for three on the third morning of the second test against New Zealand on Saturday.
Mark Butcher was the only batsman to lose his wicket in the rain-interrupted match at the Basin Reserve after moving fromm 24 to 47 with some delightful strokes. The Surrey left-hander drove at a ball from Chris Drum and edged it shoulder height to Nathan Astle at second slip.
Butcher and Hussain had added 70 for the third wicket in 119 balls and looked in little trouble as they attempted to shut New Zealand out of the series after the tourists had won the first test by 98 runs.
Hussain's only troubled moment came when he attempted a pull off Ian Butler. The ball came on to him quicker than anticipated, hit his body and fell safely at his feet.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 237 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Mar 23, 2002 (02:27) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand bowled England out for 280 and were 70/1 at stumps today.
Rob
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 238 of 247: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Mar 23, 2002 (07:59) * 5 lines
See news. Obits.
England Cricketer Hollioake Killed in Car Crash
The news conference has details.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 239 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Mar 23, 2002 (23:26) * 3 lines
Terry, so does three or four posts back in this topic - I posted it the day it happened. Very sad.
Good on ya' Rob!!!
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 240 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Tue, Apr 2, 2002 (04:10) * 5 lines
Hi all
New Zealand has a 312 run lead over England at the end of Day 4 in the 3rd and final test in Auckland. New Zealand reached 202, then bowled England out for 160, and in our second innings at the crease we scored another 272 runs. We are likely to declare first thing in the morning and try to bowl England out for anything less than 311 runs. The game is wide open - anyone could win it at this stage though I not only hope New Zealand will win, but if we get in early we should be able to stop them short of the target.
Rob
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 241 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Wed, Apr 3, 2002 (04:16) * 11 lines
Hi all
New Zealand defeated England today by 78 runs. This completes the New Zealand 2001/2002 cricket season at home, and from now until late October the big stadiums around New Zealand will reverberate to the roar of the rugby crowds.
But just because the home cricket season has ended does not mean that the cricket season of the northern hemisphere nations is over. New Zealand goes to Pakistan later on in the year, but for now it is time to put their feet up for a break.
Adam Parore (our longterm wicket-keeper)has retired and into his place Robbie Hart will now step while Chris Drum is also on the way out.
So, from Jade Stadium, Athletic Park, Basin Reserve, Eden Park, Napier, Taupo and Carisbrook, SEE YOU IN NOVEMBER!!!
Rob
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 242 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Apr 4, 2002 (18:31) * 6 lines
Hi all
NZ are going to Sharjah and then Pakistan shortly for a tour, but the NZ home cricket season is over. It has been a superb season, and I will never forget that marvellous NZ-Australia test in Perth which I am convinced we should have won. Beating the World Champions on their home turf... nothing rivals that feeling, still less equals it. The One Day series against them was undeniably exxciting, though getting beaten by the Proteas kept our feet on Earth. More recently the tour against England in NZ where we bet them in the One Dayers and levelled the Poms in the Test series. The two double centuries by Nathan Astle and Graham Thorpe were utterly awe inspiring, as was hearing the radio coverage of the first test well I was on a field trip to Orton Bradley....
Rob
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 243 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Thu, Apr 4, 2002 (22:05) * 1 lines
I enjoyed it too, Rob. Now I must find a north-of-the-equator server to let me know where the BBC will be broadcasting. I cannot bear Rugby on the radio.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 244 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Sat, Apr 6, 2002 (04:43) * 8 lines
Hi all
No it is not bearable. Listening to Keith Quinn and Murray Mexted is not half as interesting or bearable as listening to commentators going on about cricket.
You MUST hear Billy Birmingham's "Still the 12th Man", and "The 12th Man - the final dig". This is cricket commentary like not ever heard before.
Key characters include Richie Benaud, Bill Lawry, Tony Greig and Max Walker (all of them are or were Australian cricket commentators and immensely popular despite their nationalities on both sides of the Tasman Sea). If you really want I can direct you to somewhere that sells it.
Rob
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 245 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sat, Apr 6, 2002 (15:22) * 1 lines
I have downloaded bits and pieces of Billy Birmingham's best and it is hilarious but only if you have listened to a lot of cricket being broadcast. Thanks, Rob, for telling me about it. He is spectacular and has obviously listened to a lot of cricket, himself.
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 246 of 247: Rob Glennie (AotearoaKiwi) * Thu, Jun 13, 2002 (04:45) * 7 lines
Hi all
Just because it is winter in New Zealand does not mean there is no cricket. The Black Caps bet the West Indies yester by about 9 runs in Trinidad.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1234198a1600,FF.html
Rob
Topic 47 of 71 [sports]: cricket
Response 247 of 247: NittanyLion (MarciaH) * Sun, Aug 18, 2002 (22:04) * 1 lines
You guys beat the Windies??? Good show!!!
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